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Turkish Orders 5 777-300ERs  
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

It was announced that Turkish ordered 5 777s. They currently operate leased 777s from Jet Airways of India. It is good to see them purchase their own 777s. It is always nice to see an airline expand and grow in these times of instability.


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8677 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

I saw this one coming and I'm sure many others have too as TK have been very happy with their 777's leased from 9W. Any idea on the layout? Will their 777's feature F suites similar to ones they lease if they choose F class?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

A little old - order was announced including stock market filings a month ago, just formally signed this week following meeting of the Board of Directors.


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

It was suggested in an earlier thread that TK may have secured slots previously assigned to other customers since reports at the time indicated first delivery in mid-2010. Let us see if Boeing also shows some 777 cancellations when they update the orders and deliveries for this order.


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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Will TK still retain the leased 9W 77Ws after the EIS of their own 77Ws?

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4794 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

I hope that TKs newly ordered B 77Ws are 2 class versions and not 3 class!

Can a B 77W fly nonstop year round with a full payload IST-LAX nonstop?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4716 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
Can a B 77W fly nonstop year round with a full payload IST-LAX nonstop?

Yes a 77W can easily fly IST-LAX nonstop.



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2978 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4595 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
I hope that TKs newly ordered B 77Ws are 2 class versions and not 3 class!

Can a B 77W fly nonstop year round with a full payload IST-LAX nonstop?

I'm not an expert... Eastbound no problems, but Westbound tough one during summer as IST runways are kinda short.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4569 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
hope that TKs newly ordered B 77Ws are 2 class versions and not 3 class!

Why the opposition? But yes they will be 3-class with a yet announced new product.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5):
Can a B 77W fly nonstop year round with a full payload IST-LAX nonstop?

Nope. See below

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 7):
but Westbound tough one during summer as IST runways are kinda short.

Indeed the runway performance is a limitation Westbound.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4504 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Indeed the runway performance is a limitation Westbound.

So 9842ft is not enough runway for the 77W on an IST-LAX flight?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4492 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
So 9842ft is not enough runway for the 77W on an IST-LAX flight?

Besides 9800ft there is obstacle clearance issues with runway 36 - the pref wind direction runway.

Ask DL. They have hard time running IST-JFK on occasion in the 763 due performance limits.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17067 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4450 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Besides 9800ft there is obstacle clearance issues with runway 36 - the pref wind direction runway.

Ask DL. They have hard time running IST-JFK on occasion in the 763 due performance limits.

Okay, I see. But it is pity, it would be nice to have a IST-LAX nonstop service on TK. Always great to add new airlines to LAX. BTW, is there a market for a nonstop IST-LAX flight?



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2978 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4393 times:



Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
BTW, is there a market for a nonstop IST-LAX flight?

considering there are only about 500.000 Turkish people living in North America and the majority is in NYC, Miami and Toronto I would rather tend to say no market for IST-LAX at this time.
TK first needs to establish a yearround IST-ORD flight, then make a good start with IST-YYZ, maybe add another daily IST-JFK (or even IST-EWR with CO joining Star) and try to focus on IAD in the near future. After all these I would say "TK go for LAX now!"

I see a huge potential on IST-YYZ which could be a 77W route with AC in the backyard and IST as a perfect hub for connections to the Middle East and India...


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4794 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4316 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Why the opposition? But yes they will be 3-class with a yet announced new product.

I honestly do not see much for F class travel to/from IST to warrant TK having a F class cabin on board its B 77W fleet.

I wasnt proposing IST-LAX nonstop for O&D traffic but rather for onward traffic bound to JED/RUH/CAI/DAM/AMM/BEY/BGW/THR/DXB/JED/RUH/KRT/NBO plus LAX for being a big UA hub.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25543 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
I wasnt proposing IST-LAX nonstop for O&D traffic but rather for onward traffic bound to

 checkmark . Indeed TK has looked at this several times over the years with relatively postive analysis results.
As the IST hub continues to grow, connection opportunies expand but for now their biggest onward ethnic markets that have identified to support a flight were THR, TBZ, MHD, TLV, CAI, BEY and 'stan' countries along with West Coast tourist headed to Turkey and onward.

Once they have a plane that can do it nonstop (787/A350) they will.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4037 times:
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I'm very surprised this thread is still going as I posted this topic 14 hours ago but within 30 minutes it was deleted as a double post as this topic was discussed several weeks ago

User currently offlineCA From Turkey, joined Jun 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

and then come nonstop service to Sao Paulo? today flight with A343 to Sao Paulo one stop in the west africa. Can 77W nonstop flight Istanbul to Sao Paulo? what is today ETOPS time in the Turkish Airlines? and come not 748i in the future for Turkish Airlines? with 748i can Turkish Airlines from Istanbul in all long destination nonstop flight! for Turkish Airlines fleets is the best long haul aircraft 748i. I hope the next order come for 748i

User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

I've yet to hear a report from anyone who has flown the TK 77W that says the aircraft is more than half full. I've definately not heard from anyone who hasn't been the only one in the F cabin (apart from when they are travelling with a companion). TK really need to get their act together to push the F product. Right now you can't actualy book it on the TK website and lots of other websites have difficulties booking it too. Seems most people who fly TK F are on *A FF redemptions - like myself soon  Smile


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