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AA's First Reconfigured 757 JFK-BRU  
User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

My apologies if this has been posted already, but I really can't find it! AA now has 2 reconfigured international 757s completed, so the first transatlantic flight with the reconfigured 757 departed yesterday JFK-BRU and it's presently on its way back to JFK. The other 757 does a JFK-DFW turn.

Here's the press release, including some proposed routes with the new fleet.

American Airlines Announces Plans to Use Boeing 757s on International Routes
PRNewswire
FORT WORTH, Texas
(NYSE:AMR)

American Provides Updates on Additional Refurbishment Efforts

FORT WORTH, Texas, May 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Customers onboard American Airlines Flight 172 from New York (JFK) to Brussels (BRU) on Thursday, May 7, will be among the first to experience American's newly-reconfigured Boeing 757 international aircraft on a trans-Atlantic flight.

American is in the process of reconfiguring 18 of its 124 Boeing 757s for use on international routes, and Thursday's JFK-to-Brussels flight is the first to make an international journey with the new configuration. Featuring new seats, new cabin interiors and updated inflight entertainment systems, the reconfiguration - slated for completion by the end of this year - will offer customers a comfortable international travel experience.

"American Airlines fleet of Boeing 757 international aircraft will be well-suited to serve select international routes following the refurbishment initiative," said Lauri Curtis, American's Vice President - Onboard Service.

The 757 Business Class cabin, with a 2-2 seating configuration, features 16 next-generation, angled lie-flat seats with drop-down armrests; the ability to slide forward interlocking tray tables that create one of the largest workspaces in the industry; on-demand audio/video in-seat entertainment systems providing 28 movies, more than 33 hours of television programming, 16 audio channels, 50 audio CDs, 15 interactive games; and new lavatories.

The Economy Class cabin, with 166 seats in a 3-3 configuration, will receive new seats, new lavatories, new LCD monitors that replace CRT monitors, and digital media file servers that will provide better inflight video and audio entertainment quality.

The 757 international fleet will serve select trans-Atlantic and Latin American routes. Routes are subject to change, but may include New York to Barcelona, Paris Charles de Gaulle and Brussels; Boston to Paris Charles de Gaulle; and Miami to Salvador, Brazil, to Recife, Brazil.

The link (which has more good stuff on it about the rest of the fleet) http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2618

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16690 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13509 times:

On a random, more employee-oriented note, does anyone know which two J-class seats will be blocked for cockpit crew rest?? I think the FA crew rest is the last row ABC if it's a full flight, or last row ABC and DEF if there is room to spare.


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User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13467 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
On a random, more employee-oriented note, does anyone know which two J-class seats will be blocked for cockpit crew rest??

4AB are pulled from the seat map, so it must be those seats for cockpit crew rest.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13280 times:

To be fair, the ex-TW 757s were PW powered. AA has very little tolerance for non-standard aircraft... DL has probably the highest tolerance for a/c with different configurations and technical capabilities. Further, most of DL's 757s were not the highest gross weight versions... AA's 757s were or could be.

AA's drive to put 757s on the Atlantic was undoubtedly driven as much by the grounding of the A300s which necessitated sending some of the 767s to S. America.
The 757s do allow AA to downgrade some markets, including ones like BRU that are under great pressure because of heavy competition - but also new markets like BCN where AA getting into the market can be done just as easily with smaller and lower cost aircraft.


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13261 times:

AA is a little late to the game eh? Well I guess better late than never.


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13149 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.

Couldn't agree more.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4):
To be fair, the ex-TW 757s were PW powered. AA has very little tolerance for non-standard aircraft... DL has probably the highest tolerance for a/c with different configurations and technical capabilities. Further, most of DL's 757s were not the highest gross weight versions... AA's 757s were or could be.

Their complete lack of ambition is one of their greatest problems. American could well have let Delta maintain the PW powered 757s like they already were, or they could have added the PW2037/2040 to the portfolio of products they maintain and took it in house.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 5):
AA is a little late to the game eh? Well I guess better late than never.

Nope. American flew 757s across the Atlantic before, but they sold it as an all Y product. They served Manchester and Shannon from Chicago and Boston at different times, they were also looking at New York - Newcastle in 2006 but that flight never started.


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

Here are a couple of photos of the new first/business class cabin.

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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12866 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6):
American could well have let Delta maintain the PW powered 757s like they already were, or they could have added the PW2037/2040 to the portfolio of products they maintain and took it in house.

Actually, DL did maintain those aircraft so was very famiilar with them. AA maintains DL's Trent 895s on the 772ERs.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12796 times:
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Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6):
They served Manchester and Shannon from Chicago and Boston at different times

Mustn't forget JFK-MAN back in 1995.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12650 times:

I can't really say that I am fond of the new business class. The seats don't seem to look very roomy - especially for being marketed as business class lie flat seats - and as someone who has flown premium class (albeit non-rev) on AA and business on DL, why did AA do away with folding AVOD screens that come out from under the armrest? I liked those much better because you can adjust the screen to be closer to you if you decide to recline back and watch a movie.

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12578 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.

AFAIK all of AA's 757's are ETOPS certified so giving up the subfleet of ex-TW 757's wasn't the problem. AA could have started 757 routes from JFK quite a while back if they wanted to but chose not to for whatever reason. If you recall, AA flew 757's, albeit in regular domestic configuration, BOS-MAN and BOS-SNN a few years ago.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12553 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 10):
The seats don't seem to look very roomy

They are roomy. They are the same seats on the 772.

I'm not a huge fan of them, but they are on par with other U.S. airlines, who are always two generations behind modern European and Asian carriers.



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12510 times:

Old school from an old school airline. I kinda like it. Gives no concession to what's "new and in" and I don't think AA care. Either enjoy our product or go somewhere else. My kind of product.

I



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1991 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12493 times:

Interesting that AA got rid of the giant eagle logo behind the J seats on the 757.

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 10):
The seats don't seem to look very roomy - especially for being marketed as business class lie flat seats

They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11938 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6):
Their complete lack of ambition is one of their greatest problems.

Care to back this up, sir???

DOT's published stats would beg to differ with you. AA, internationally, has the highest RASM and yield in almost every market. Given current economic times, lack of ambition is probably the smartest course of action.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4253 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11536 times:



Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 14):
They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.

But at least you get the moving map/airshow on your PTV... just like on the 777... Something you don't get on the 763 J seats.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11517 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
They are roomy. They are the same seats on the 772.

I'm not a huge fan of them, but they are on par with other U.S. airlines, who are always two generations behind modern European and Asian carriers.

If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 14):
They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.

That just sucks..I really like AA, and I'm kinda dissapointed in them now. All the other onboard things seem nice though.....the 757 lavatories did need an update.


User currently offlineAmerican762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11443 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 17):
If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.

On the 772, AA uses a "Flagship Service" 3 - class layout. The seats on the reconfigured 75's in J are the same as the J seats on AA 772's, NOT First. The 772 uses the "Flagship Suite" in first class  Smile



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4253 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11431 times:



Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 17):
If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.

No, those are the seats AA has in Business on the 777


User currently offlineSirSheldon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

So AA is redoing the cabins but still not offering seatback entertainment for Y?

User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10819 times:



Quoting SirSheldon (Reply 20):

AA can and will install PTV AVOD in Y when they are ready for a system wide upgrade. Has no one noticed that the new 737 are already set up for it. Time will tell what the new system will be like. Probably will not happen for another year or two though  stirthepot 


User currently offlineWaggingtail From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

this is a real disappointment the 757 single aisle is unpleasant at best

the 4hr trip to barbados is claustrophobic even in business class

the new 'lie flat' J seats are bad enough but now on an overnight flight to BRU single aisle with one lav sounds awful... is this permanent?

when traveling alone on the 767 you could sit in the middle and no one would climb over you as obviously all middle seats had an aisle...

what will happen to the biz class 767's now..what routes


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Why do they call it First/Business ?

It's either one or the other but not both.

Apart from from that question it looks really dull, needs some colour or something to liven it up a little.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9903 times:



Quoting Waggingtail (Reply 22):
this is a real disappointment the 757 single aisle is unpleasant at best

the 4hr trip to barbados is claustrophobic even in business class

the new 'lie flat' J seats are bad enough but now on an overnight flight to BRU single aisle with one lav sounds awful... is this permanent?

when traveling alone on the 767 you could sit in the middle and no one would climb over you as obviously all middle seats had an aisle...

what will happen to the biz class 767's now..what routes

757s have proven to be successful on trans-Atlantic operations. AA is finally catching up. 99.9% of passengers don't care, and the on-board product C is identical to the 772 product, while the Y seats are supposedly very comfortable, although AA to stupid enough to not put in PTVs.

I can't believe anybody would actualy complain about JFK-BGI being too long for a 757. That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. JFK-BRU isn't too long for a 757, and neither is JFK-BGI.



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25 DTW757 : Simple answer. When these aircraft are used on domestic routes they are sold as First Class seats and on international routes they are sold as Busine
26 Vegas005 : No single isle over the pond trips for me. What a nightmmare getting up every 20 minutes to let 1 of your 2 seatmates up (I always fly aisle seat)...n
27 Transpac787 : But on widebodies, you don't have to get up to let 1 of your 2 seatmates up??
28 Readytotaxi : Question, which airline was the first to use the 757 across the Pond on a regular basis,and what year?
29 David_itl : Perhaps Air Europe or Monarch operating out of LTN to either MCO or SFB around 1987? MAN had Air Europe going transtlantic in 1988.
30 N62NA : I don't think he was complaining about the length of the trip, rather, it was the uncomfortable conditions on the AA 757s in general that he was talk
31 Eghansen : What a colossal Joke!!! American is running "refurbished" 757s to CDG against Air France with 5 nonstops per day, all of them either A330-200 or B777.
32 MAH4546 : They bother because most passengers do not care. They also "bother" because American Airlines will continue to offer 2x daily JFK-CDG service, with a
33 Post contains images FlyCaledonian : If AA/BA get ATI, it wouldn't surprise me to see AA looking at to extend that to include EC. The economy passengers would have the AA flight, but Bus
34 David_itl : Did BA use them before 1995? We had AA and CO using them to MAN in 1995. With a smaller J cabin, it would have been easier to attract near full capac
35 MAH4546 : I think AA was using 757s to Europe in the late-80s/early-90s on JFK-LYS.
36 STT757 : JFK-LYS was a DC-10.
37 WorldTraveler : Despite what some try to say about other carrier 757 flights and the route choices those carriers make about where to deploy the 75s, there really is
38 MAH4546 : The 180 degree C seats are superior to Delta's and the old CO product that is currently being phased out. The Y seats are very comfortable, they just
39 Eghansen : It seems to me that AA (and other US carriers) need to pick their markets more carefully. For example, Air France has one hub (CDG) plus some flights
40 Tommy767 : It seems like the general trend of US carriers that fly 757s to europe offer PTV's in Y as the 757 on a 7-9 hour journey is barely tolerable. CO and D
41 Hardiwv : Great to see SSA and REC featuring in the list of destinations to receive the reconfigured B757. This will certainly give AA important leverage in th
42 MAH4546 : They also fly MIA-CDG MIA is their second largest mainline hub. LAX is a focus city. What on earth are you talking about? AA has six flights a day to
43 Hardiwv : It is very interesting that CDG gets less seats than AMS concerning overall U.S. airline's presence in terms of daily flights and capacity. NW alone
44 Viscount724 : AA has always avoided low-yield markets like AMS. They prefer to focus on markets with a higher percentage of O&D traffic and where business traffic
45 Hardiwv : This is correct, there is plenty of U.S carriers presence in AMS, this because AMS presents high yields and O&D traffic. Of course, KL/NW focus on co
46 Viscount724 : There is certainly some high yield traffic to'/from AMS, but a much higher percentage of AMS traffic is connecting, not O&D, compared to hubs like LH
47 MAH4546 : One only need to look at average U.S.-Amsterdam fares to see how it is a low-yielding market, rather than make conjectures based on how many airlines
48 Hardiwv : You will certainly not be surprised to note that the lowest averages fares are on US-LON market, although this market is certainly among the top yiel
49 MAH4546 : It's not, which is exactly why Malpensa has struggled to retain service to much of the United States. Despite Malpensa being in a very wealthy area,
50 Hardiwv : This is an important fact, and part of the reason MXP does not capture a lot of premium traffic is because many of these pax fly out of the better lo
51 Viscount724 : I have seen reports that Open Skies was struglling in AMS, with very poor loads on many flights, but that was some time ago. With the economic crisis
52 Eghansen : I admire you for your devotion to American Airlines. Loyalty is a noble but sometimes blinding trait. Flying from JFK to Europe on a narrow-body airc
53 Post contains links Hardiwv : Open Skies is doing fairly well in AMS and has managed to capture a good share of frequent flyers. This has been discussed here before and even repor
54 MAH4546 : And we also have these wonderful aircraft called "757s" that do a fine job transporting passengers on Delta, Continental, Northwest, US Airways and A
55 WorldTraveler : you highlight my point. DL Y is superior to AA's Y on the 757 and CO J is being replaced with a superior product. Also, not all customers are convinc
56 Hardiwv : Thanks for the information. It is not surprising to see NW heavy presence in AMS with a number of flights operating in AMS among which AMS-EWR, AMS-J
57 MAH4546 : AA's angled lie-flat seats, just like pretty much all lie-flat seats, can be put in a "Lazy Boy" position. And, I agree, using AA's lie-flat product
58 Skedguy : Are you sure? When I flew LYS-JFK in August, 1989 it was definitely a 767, but don't recall if is was a -200 or -300 since I was only 14 at the time
59 DFWEagle : JFK-LYS was definitely a 767-200ER. The route started in May 1989 and was canceled in May 1990, lasting only 1 year. Here’s the schedule for summer
60 Elmothehobo : Should have said "Continued." I actually do. American's high yield can be attributed to the fact that they still operate a fleet of three class aircr
61 Viscount724 : Leaving aside the effects of the current financial crisis, would you not agree that USA-LHR has a much higher percentage of high-yield premium class
62 WorldTraveler : Traditionally, LHR is indeed a strong premium market. However, it is hard to see where it will end up after this financial crisis passes since the fin
63 787KQ : But with periodic leaps ahead like United's true lie flat vs AF's, KL's, and LH's sloping seats among the largest European carriers. And on AF's, KL'
64 USAirALB : I don't get why AA would put PTV's on the A300, but not on the 763ER??!!
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