DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12859 times:
My apologies if this has been posted already, but I really can't find it! AA now has 2 reconfigured international 757s completed, so the first transatlantic flight with the reconfigured 757 departed yesterday JFK-BRU and it's presently on its way back to JFK. The other 757 does a JFK-DFW turn.
Here's the press release, including some proposed routes with the new fleet.
American Airlines Announces Plans to Use Boeing 757s on International Routes
PRNewswire
FORT WORTH, Texas
(NYSE:AMR)
American Provides Updates on Additional Refurbishment Efforts
FORT WORTH, Texas, May 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Customers onboard American Airlines Flight 172 from New York (JFK) to Brussels (BRU) on Thursday, May 7, will be among the first to experience American's newly-reconfigured Boeing 757 international aircraft on a trans-Atlantic flight.
American is in the process of reconfiguring 18 of its 124 Boeing 757s for use on international routes, and Thursday's JFK-to-Brussels flight is the first to make an international journey with the new configuration. Featuring new seats, new cabin interiors and updated inflight entertainment systems, the reconfiguration - slated for completion by the end of this year - will offer customers a comfortable international travel experience.
"American Airlines fleet of Boeing 757 international aircraft will be well-suited to serve select international routes following the refurbishment initiative," said Lauri Curtis, American's Vice President - Onboard Service.
The 757 Business Class cabin, with a 2-2 seating configuration, features 16 next-generation, angled lie-flat seats with drop-down armrests; the ability to slide forward interlocking tray tables that create one of the largest workspaces in the industry; on-demand audio/video in-seat entertainment systems providing 28 movies, more than 33 hours of television programming, 16 audio channels, 50 audio CDs, 15 interactive games; and new lavatories.
The Economy Class cabin, with 166 seats in a 3-3 configuration, will receive new seats, new lavatories, new LCD monitors that replace CRT monitors, and digital media file servers that will provide better inflight video and audio entertainment quality.
The 757 international fleet will serve select trans-Atlantic and Latin American routes. Routes are subject to change, but may include New York to Barcelona, Paris Charles de Gaulle and Brussels; Boston to Paris Charles de Gaulle; and Miami to Salvador, Brazil, to Recife, Brazil.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16256 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12840 times:
They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12759 times:
On a random, more employee-oriented note, does anyone know which two J-class seats will be blocked for cockpit crew rest?? I think the FA crew rest is the last row ABC if it's a full flight, or last row ABC and DEF if there is room to spare.
DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12717 times:
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2): On a random, more employee-oriented note, does anyone know which two J-class seats will be blocked for cockpit crew rest??
4AB are pulled from the seat map, so it must be those seats for cockpit crew rest.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12530 times:
To be fair, the ex-TW 757s were PW powered. AA has very little tolerance for non-standard aircraft... DL has probably the highest tolerance for a/c with different configurations and technical capabilities. Further, most of DL's 757s were not the highest gross weight versions... AA's 757s were or could be.
AA's drive to put 757s on the Atlantic was undoubtedly driven as much by the grounding of the A300s which necessitated sending some of the 767s to S. America.
The 757s do allow AA to downgrade some markets, including ones like BRU that are under great pressure because of heavy competition - but also new markets like BCN where AA getting into the market can be done just as easily with smaller and lower cost aircraft.
ElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks ago) and read 12399 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.
Couldn't agree more.
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 4): To be fair, the ex-TW 757s were PW powered. AA has very little tolerance for non-standard aircraft... DL has probably the highest tolerance for a/c with different configurations and technical capabilities. Further, most of DL's 757s were not the highest gross weight versions... AA's 757s were or could be.
Their complete lack of ambition is one of their greatest problems. American could well have let Delta maintain the PW powered 757s like they already were, or they could have added the PW2037/2040 to the portfolio of products they maintain and took it in house.
Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 5): AA is a little late to the game eh? Well I guess better late than never.
Nope. American flew 757s across the Atlantic before, but they sold it as an all Y product. They served Manchester and Shannon from Chicago and Boston at different times, they were also looking at New York - Newcastle in 2006 but that flight never started.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12116 times:
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6): American could well have let Delta maintain the PW powered 757s like they already were, or they could have added the PW2037/2040 to the portfolio of products they maintain and took it in house.
Actually, DL did maintain those aircraft so was very famiilar with them. AA maintains DL's Trent 895s on the 772ERs.
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11900 times:
I can't really say that I am fond of the new business class. The seats don't seem to look very roomy - especially for being marketed as business class lie flat seats - and as someone who has flown premium class (albeit non-rev) on AA and business on DL, why did AA do away with folding AVOD screens that come out from under the armrest? I liked those much better because you can adjust the screen to be closer to you if you decide to recline back and watch a movie.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11828 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 1): They should have done this a few years ago, and not turned the ex TWA birds over to DL. AA had so many potential routes from BOS and JFK with the 757s, they should have realized their potential years ago.
AFAIK all of AA's 757's are ETOPS certified so giving up the subfleet of ex-TW 757's wasn't the problem. AA could have started 757 routes from JFK quite a while back if they wanted to but chose not to for whatever reason. If you recall, AA flew 757's, albeit in regular domestic configuration, BOS-MAN and BOS-SNN a few years ago.
Manfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11760 times:
Old school from an old school airline. I kinda like it. Gives no concession to what's "new and in" and I don't think AA care. Either enjoy our product or go somewhere else. My kind of product.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1857 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11743 times:
Interesting that AA got rid of the giant eagle logo behind the J seats on the 757.
Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 10): The seats don't seem to look very roomy - especially for being marketed as business class lie flat seats
They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.
Transpac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3139 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11188 times:
Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6): Their complete lack of ambition is one of their greatest problems.
Care to back this up, sir???
DOT's published stats would beg to differ with you. AA, internationally, has the highest RASM and yield in almost every market. Given current economic times, lack of ambition is probably the smartest course of action.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3677 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10786 times:
Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 14): They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.
But at least you get the moving map/airshow on your PTV... just like on the 777... Something you don't get on the 763 J seats.
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10767 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12): They are roomy. They are the same seats on the 772.
I'm not a huge fan of them, but they are on par with other U.S. airlines, who are always two generations behind modern European and Asian carriers.
If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.
Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 14): They don't feel very roomy, either. It feels about as wide as a coach seat, but with a fancier seat belt and more legroom. I've flown the new J six times and dislike it more and more each time. The non-shared armrest (on the window or the aisle side) is narrow and wobbly, the PTV is far away, and when you move the seat to "flat" position, it takes up all of your legroom and underseat space, which means your bag needs to go into the overhead bin.
That just sucks..I really like AA, and I'm kinda dissapointed in them now. All the other onboard things seem nice though.....the 757 lavatories did need an update.
American762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10693 times:
Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 17): If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.
On the 772, AA uses a "Flagship Service" 3 - class layout. The seats on the reconfigured 75's in J are the same as the J seats on AA 772's, NOT First. The 772 uses the "Flagship Suite" in first class
Pan Am has a place of its' own. You call it the world, we call it home.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3677 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10681 times:
Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 17): If these are the same seats AA has on their 772 in First, then I am really dissapointed. I have traveled on DL's 777's and love their seats and layout in Business. The lieflat in their 772LR is just awsome - very roomy and comfy for me, and I am tall.
No, those are the seats AA has in Business on the 777
AA can and will install PTV AVOD in Y when they are ready for a system wide upgrade. Has no one noticed that the new 737 are already set up for it. Time will tell what the new system will be like. Probably will not happen for another year or two though
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9153 times:
Quoting Waggingtail (Reply 22): this is a real disappointment the 757 single aisle is unpleasant at best
the 4hr trip to barbados is claustrophobic even in business class
the new 'lie flat' J seats are bad enough but now on an overnight flight to BRU single aisle with one lav sounds awful... is this permanent?
when traveling alone on the 767 you could sit in the middle and no one would climb over you as obviously all middle seats had an aisle...
what will happen to the biz class 767's now..what routes
757s have proven to be successful on trans-Atlantic operations. AA is finally catching up. 99.9% of passengers don't care, and the on-board product C is identical to the 772 product, while the Y seats are supposedly very comfortable, although AA to stupid enough to not put in PTVs.
I can't believe anybody would actualy complain about JFK-BGI being too long for a 757. That is one of the funniest things I've ever heard. JFK-BRU isn't too long for a 757, and neither is JFK-BGI.
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25 DTW757: Simple answer. When these aircraft are used on domestic routes they are sold as First Class seats and on international routes they are sold as Busine
26 Vegas005: No single isle over the pond trips for me. What a nightmmare getting up every 20 minutes to let 1 of your 2 seatmates up (I always fly aisle seat)...n
27 Transpac787: But on widebodies, you don't have to get up to let 1 of your 2 seatmates up??
28 Readytotaxi: Question, which airline was the first to use the 757 across the Pond on a regular basis,and what year?
29 David_itl: Perhaps Air Europe or Monarch operating out of LTN to either MCO or SFB around 1987? MAN had Air Europe going transtlantic in 1988.
30 N62NA: I don't think he was complaining about the length of the trip, rather, it was the uncomfortable conditions on the AA 757s in general that he was talk
31 Eghansen: What a colossal Joke!!! American is running "refurbished" 757s to CDG against Air France with 5 nonstops per day, all of them either A330-200 or B777.
32 MAH4546: They bother because most passengers do not care. They also "bother" because American Airlines will continue to offer 2x daily JFK-CDG service, with a
33 FlyCaledonian: If AA/BA get ATI, it wouldn't surprise me to see AA looking at to extend that to include EC. The economy passengers would have the AA flight, but Bus
34 David_itl: Did BA use them before 1995? We had AA and CO using them to MAN in 1995. With a smaller J cabin, it would have been easier to attract near full capac
35 MAH4546: I think AA was using 757s to Europe in the late-80s/early-90s on JFK-LYS.
37 WorldTraveler: Despite what some try to say about other carrier 757 flights and the route choices those carriers make about where to deploy the 75s, there really is
38 MAH4546: The 180 degree C seats are superior to Delta's and the old CO product that is currently being phased out. The Y seats are very comfortable, they just
39 Eghansen: It seems to me that AA (and other US carriers) need to pick their markets more carefully. For example, Air France has one hub (CDG) plus some flights
40 Tommy767: It seems like the general trend of US carriers that fly 757s to europe offer PTV's in Y as the 757 on a 7-9 hour journey is barely tolerable. CO and D
41 Hardiwv: Great to see SSA and REC featuring in the list of destinations to receive the reconfigured B757. This will certainly give AA important leverage in th
42 MAH4546: They also fly MIA-CDG MIA is their second largest mainline hub. LAX is a focus city. What on earth are you talking about? AA has six flights a day to
43 Hardiwv: It is very interesting that CDG gets less seats than AMS concerning overall U.S. airline's presence in terms of daily flights and capacity. NW alone
44 Viscount724: AA has always avoided low-yield markets like AMS. They prefer to focus on markets with a higher percentage of O&D traffic and where business traffic
45 Hardiwv: This is correct, there is plenty of U.S carriers presence in AMS, this because AMS presents high yields and O&D traffic. Of course, KL/NW focus on co
46 Viscount724: There is certainly some high yield traffic to'/from AMS, but a much higher percentage of AMS traffic is connecting, not O&D, compared to hubs like LH
47 MAH4546: One only need to look at average U.S.-Amsterdam fares to see how it is a low-yielding market, rather than make conjectures based on how many airlines
48 Hardiwv: You will certainly not be surprised to note that the lowest averages fares are on US-LON market, although this market is certainly among the top yiel
49 MAH4546: It's not, which is exactly why Malpensa has struggled to retain service to much of the United States. Despite Malpensa being in a very wealthy area,
50 Hardiwv: This is an important fact, and part of the reason MXP does not capture a lot of premium traffic is because many of these pax fly out of the better lo
51 Viscount724: I have seen reports that Open Skies was struglling in AMS, with very poor loads on many flights, but that was some time ago. With the economic crisis
52 Eghansen: I admire you for your devotion to American Airlines. Loyalty is a noble but sometimes blinding trait. Flying from JFK to Europe on a narrow-body airc
53 Hardiwv: Open Skies is doing fairly well in AMS and has managed to capture a good share of frequent flyers. This has been discussed here before and even repor
54 MAH4546: And we also have these wonderful aircraft called "757s" that do a fine job transporting passengers on Delta, Continental, Northwest, US Airways and A
55 WorldTraveler: you highlight my point. DL Y is superior to AA's Y on the 757 and CO J is being replaced with a superior product. Also, not all customers are convinc
56 Hardiwv: Thanks for the information. It is not surprising to see NW heavy presence in AMS with a number of flights operating in AMS among which AMS-EWR, AMS-J
57 MAH4546: AA's angled lie-flat seats, just like pretty much all lie-flat seats, can be put in a "Lazy Boy" position. And, I agree, using AA's lie-flat product
58 Skedguy: Are you sure? When I flew LYS-JFK in August, 1989 it was definitely a 767, but don't recall if is was a -200 or -300 since I was only 14 at the time
59 DFWEagle: JFK-LYS was definitely a 767-200ER. The route started in May 1989 and was canceled in May 1990, lasting only 1 year. Here’s the schedule for summer
60 Elmothehobo: Should have said "Continued." I actually do. American's high yield can be attributed to the fact that they still operate a fleet of three class aircr
61 Viscount724: Leaving aside the effects of the current financial crisis, would you not agree that USA-LHR has a much higher percentage of high-yield premium class
62 WorldTraveler: Traditionally, LHR is indeed a strong premium market. However, it is hard to see where it will end up after this financial crisis passes since the fin
63 787KQ: But with periodic leaps ahead like United's true lie flat vs AF's, KL's, and LH's sloping seats among the largest European carriers. And on AF's, KL'
64 USAirALB: I don't get why AA would put PTV's on the A300, but not on the 763ER??!!
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