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747-8 Flight Deck - What Will It Look Like?

Avalon2862 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22280 times:

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I've read numerous references to an "updated" avionics package for the 747-8, but I'm curious if anyone knows what the flight deck will look like?

Are they planning to retain the -400 cockpit, but with the LCDs from the -400F? Or maybe more of a 777 style deck? Or perhaps something closer to the new 787-style flight deck?

Just cust curious... I haven't seen any photos or renderings of the proposed flight deck anywhere.

Thanks in advance!

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23595 posts, RR: 79
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22250 times:

Here is a FlightSimulator game image of a 747-8 Captain's panel. I am guessing they did not pull it out of their bums and it is based on what Boeing's actual design intends.

This French page on the 747-8 includes an image they claim is a mock-up of the 747-8 cockpit.

Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22250 times:

Pretty much like the -400. Pilots can fly both 747-400 and 747-8 with the same type rating.

Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2833 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22231 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Pretty much like the -400. Pilots can fly both 747-400 and 747-8 with the same type rating.

Isn't the 747-8 going to be FBW....?

Cosmofly From United States of America, joined May 2009, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22221 times:

Any chance that there will be HUD?

Brendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22159 times:

Quoting Avalon2862 (Thread starter):
I've read numerous references to an "updated" avionics package for the 747-8, but I'm curious if anyone knows what the flight deck will look like?

From the pictures I've seen it's going to look pretty similar, there's just some smaller changes.

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 3):

Isn't the 747-8 going to be FBW....?

Partial FBW (ailerons and spolerons IIRC).

PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22099 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 3):
Isn't the 747-8 going to be FBW....?

Last I read the spoilers and ailerons will be FBW. Having FBW makes it even easier to share the 400 type rating.

Quoting Cosmofly (Reply 4):
Any chance that there will be HUD?

Since the aircraft will be CATIIIC (if there is such an approach designed and certified) having a HUD accomplishes nothing and adds complexity and $$$ when you don't need it.

CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 638 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21703 times:

The -8 cockpit moves closer to the 777 with a curser control device (mouse pad) and accociated electronic checklist. I believe it will also have a side looking profile at the bottom of the ND.

Rgds

C152 G115 TB10 CAP10 Be76 C500 A330 A340 A346 B747-200F B747-400 -400F -400BCF -400ERF Next the 747-8F

DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 13994 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21651 times:

Apparently, it's going to look something like this:

http://bravofleet.com/pegasus/images/bridge-9.gif

OK, in all seriousness, I wonder why they didn't make the screens a bit bigger, a-la 787. It really does look almost identical to the 744 cockpit.

And what is with Boeing and the sheepskin fetish?

[Edited 2009-05-08 17:25:41]

Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 11026 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21424 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 6):
Since the aircraft will be CATIIIC (if there is such an approach designed and certified) having a HUD accomplishes nothing and adds complexity and $$$ when you don't need it.

It lets you do HUD takeoffs, which can be a big benefit for some operators but I'm not sure how much value there is for 747-8 operators.

Quoting CCA (Reply 7):
I believe it will also have a side looking profile at the bottom of the ND.

Probably...they retrofitted that onto the 737NG recently.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
OK, in all seriousness, I wonder why they didn't make the screens a bit bigger, a-la 787. It really does look almost identical to the 744 cockpit.

Probably trying to hold common type-rating with the 747-400...that means you can't do very much with the instrument layout.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):

And what is with Boeing and the sheepskin fetish?

It's comfy for long periods and it wears well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Tom.

Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 6800 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 21395 times:

Quoting Avalon2862 (Thread starter):
I've read numerous references to an "updated" avionics package for the 747-8, but I'm curious if anyone knows what the flight deck will look like?

Should look like this

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And what is with Boeing and the sheepskin fetish?

To attract Air New Zealand ? duck

Kung Hei Fat Choi!

DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 13994 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21254 times:

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):

Probably trying to hold common type-rating with the 747-400...that means you can't do very much with the instrument layout.

But the 764 cockpit looks totally different from the 763/2 layout...

PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21225 times:

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
It lets you do HUD takeoffs, which can be a big benefit for some operators but I'm not sure how much value there is for 747-8 operators.

But that doesn't get you anything. We are authorised to do a 75m takeoff, having a HUD would get us no improvement.

PhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21225 times:

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 9):
It lets you do HUD takeoffs, which can be a big benefit for some operators but I'm not sure how much value there is for 747-8 operators.

But that doesn't get you anything. We are authorised to do a 75m takeoff, having a HUD would get us no improvement.

413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21193 times:

a 748 would look great in Sing Cargo colours

Adam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19528 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
To attract Air New Zealand ?

HAHA! Great!

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):

They do look almost identical, just the-8 being a bit more simplified in the cockpit. What sort of training will pilots have to do to make the transition from the -400 to the -8? Is there any? Or is it just a matter of getting used to a bigger plane?

FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5506 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19262 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
But the 764 cockpit looks totally different from the 763/2 layout...

It's my understanding that they don't hold a common rating.

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SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2806 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19245 times:

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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
And what is with Boeing and the sheepskin fetish?

To prevent pilots from developing "bedsores"? Doc....

Rgds

SA7700

[Edited 2009-05-09 07:28:31]

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Zeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 6800 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 19128 times:

Quoting Adam42185 (Reply 15):

They do look almost identical, just the-8 being a bit more simplified in the cockpit. What sort of training will pilots have to do to make the transition from the -400 to the -8? Is there any? Or is it just a matter of getting used to a bigger plane?

I would assume it would be very similar to going from the A340-300 to A340-500/600, a systems ground school, exam, and some flying.

Kung Hei Fat Choi!

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