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Saudi Jet Severly Damaged After Bad Landing In RUH  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15777 times:



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JEDDAH: The left wing of a Saudi Arabian Airlines aircraft was damaged heavily when the plane deviated from the runway while landing at King Khaled International Airport in Riyadh yesterday afternoon, said Abdul Hameed Abalarry, spokesman of the General Authority of Civil Aviation. The accident did not cause any death or injuries. Saudia Flight 9061 only had eight crew members on board.

The incident took place at 3:56 p.m. The plane took off from King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah. “After landing on tarmac 15, the plane skidded to the right side and crossed to branch runway G4. It stopped with its nose hitting soil before settling on its left wing,” the spokesman explained.

The rescue teams responded quickly and the crew disembarked using emergency slides. An investigation has been launched.

I saw it was severely damaged since other newspapers in Arabic reported a fire after landing, as well as final landing on its nose!

What kind of aircraft was it? As possible it is a write-off?!



http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§...9&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15774 times:
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It was an MD90, HZ-APW, looks like a write-off:

http://avherald.com/h?article=41956963&opt=0



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15148 times:

Doesn't sound like a "bad landing"; more like an u/c collapse on landing.

Isn't this the second SV MD-90 to be written off?


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15041 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
Doesn't sound like a "bad landing"; more like an u/c collapse on landing.

Well, a collapse of the U/C is certainly bad!



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12600 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

Yes, it's a bad thing to happen, but it isn't always due to a fault on the part of the pilot. However, looking at the Aviation Herald report, (which goes into more details than the newspaper), it does indeed look to be a fairly lousy landing.

Also, SV suffered another serious MD90 incident in Yanbu, the same day.

Not their week.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14715 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Yes, it's a bad thing to happen, but it isn't always due to a fault on the part of the pilot. However, looking at the Aviation Herald report, (which goes into more details than the newspaper), it does indeed look to be a fairly lousy landing.

Also, SV suffered another serious MD90 incident in Yanbu, the same day.

Not their week.

There was also further incidents happening these two weeks including the collapse of an emergency door upon landing in Abha, I think, and others! What is happening with them?



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14586 times:

Saudis HATE their MD-90s. They're unpopular with crew and have a 'bad' reputation for this kind of thing. I know several people who're relieved SV has A320s on order. I wonder if other MD-90 operators had such problems.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14120 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 6):
Saudis HATE their MD-90s. They're unpopular with crew and have a 'bad' reputation for this kind of thing. I know several people who're relieved SV has A320s on order. I wonder if other MD-90 operators had such problems.

That may or may not be true, but the incident that prompted this thread was caused by the pilots exiting onto a taxiway at too high a rate of speed, according to the articles. Not sure how that is the fault of the plane.



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User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14032 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 6):
Saudis HATE their MD-90s.

True...but there are some valid reasons behind it. MD-90's does not have the leg to do certain routes (European and Indian Sub-continent) which SV wanted to operate with a smaller aircraft rather than using B777 on thin and mid-range routes. MD-90's were not not meeting their requirements, however, SV themselves were responsible for this as they have opted for it. This also reminds me of Al-Baker's recent words re A340's.

SV also feel that MD-90's are fuel guzzlers. Many may wonder why SV should bother about the fuel cost but these are the words of the staff.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
It was an MD90, HZ-APW, looks like a write-off:

Glad to hear that there were no casualties.


User currently offlineHotelima From France, joined May 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13514 times:
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It seems always the same issue : the truth we may give to such reports depends on who releases such reports (pilot or airline or airport source). Wait for pictures and a more factual information.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 12352 times:

If the airline says its a writeoff, it most probably is. I wonder what punishment is waiting for the pilot who reportedly caused this by overspeeding.
Good this happened on a ferry flight, so no one was injured.


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9658 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 6):
Saudis HATE their MD-90s. They're unpopular with crew and have a 'bad' reputation for this kind of thing.

Is this true with other operators of the MD-90 (and the MD-80 series)? In my mind, the only reason to "hate" an aircraft type is because of a poor safety record. I cannot think of any modern airliner that fits that definition.

Anyway, here is a picture of the aircraft in happier times:

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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6646 times:



Quoting Fanofjets (Reply 11):

Other reasons include high operating costs (true with the SV MDs), troublesome maintenance (true again), worn-out interior etc.
Now I've flown on the SV MDs a few times as a kid, and I hated the surging feeling on takeoff and the loud engines. Now most ME customers don't care about what aircraft they fly on, but public perception of those MDs is notably poor.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1886 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6246 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 12):
Now I've flown on the SV MDs a few times as a kid, and I hated the surging feeling on takeoff and the loud engines. Now most ME customers don't care about what aircraft they fly on, but public perception of those MDs is notably poor.

Actually, I few the MD once and sat in the first row of economy class and was surprised by the low noise level. However, a lot of the people, perhaps most of them, think of this plane as a "small"plane which is inferior to other types.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13552 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5989 times:
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Good to hear no injuries. Thankfully it was a ferry flight (as already noted).

Since the MD-90's have poor resale, its very likely to be a write off.

Quoting Aviationbuff (Reply 8):
SV also feel that MD-90's are fuel guzzlers. Many may wonder why SV should bother about the fuel cost but these are the words of the staff.

Every drop of oil Saudi subsidizes to consume internally is one drop they cannot sell. They need the revenue! If not today, than in the future. Besides, the A320 would open up routes as well as lower costs.  spin 

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 12):
I hated the surging feeling on takeoff and the loud engines.

If there is any reason to hate the maddogs and MD-90's, it is the noise for aft passengers. Someone will point out how nice they are up in the front... what are they to do? Opperate with the aft six rows empty? Seriously, I avoid one of my favorite airlines (AA) on routes that are served with the MD-80 as I've been thrown into the back of the 'madddog' one time more than I have the patience for. Oh... I travel with earplugs, Boise headphones (+Ipod), etc. That doesn't change the fact I've lost my patience for the noise level. It hurts!

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User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

I've flown on Saudi Airlines' MD-90s 33 times and I think they're pretty cool aircraft. The only disadvantage they have over the A320 from a passenger point of view, at least imho, is the noise level for aft passengers and the small overhead bins.

Anyone know when the SV M90s will be retired and when the 320s will arrive?



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4650 times:



Quoting Airxliban (Reply 15):
I've flown on Saudi Airlines' MD-90s 33 times and I think they're pretty cool aircraft. The only disadvantage they have over the A320 from a passenger point of view, at least imho, is the noise level for aft passengers and the small overhead bins.

Anyone know when the SV M90s will be retired and when the 320s will arrive?

OK, don't think I've flown that many times on the MD-90s, but definately one of my least favourite aircraft. I'm not one of those 'bigger-is-better' people-I like A320 family a/c and the Embraers well enough, but I'm extremely glad that SV has A320s on order. They're not defeaning fuel-guzzling wrecks that go tech on every single flight I'm on (it was probably just my experience though).


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4350 times:



Quoting Na (Reply 10):
I wonder what punishment is waiting for the pilot who reportedly caused this by overspeeding.

If Saudi hates the plane so much, maybe they will give him a bonus and promotion!

Jack



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

I have to say after 2 MD90 flights the past week, only complaint I have is the narrow shoulder room. We sat in row 32 and 33 on DL's MD90 and it wasnt' too loud, especially compared to the DC9/MD8x models. Why do SV MD90s have tech problems? Poor maintenance? I remember flying with HP all the time in the mid 90's and every other flight was tech for some reason or the other. In the late 90's, maintenance got better and the tech problems went down. I don't think SV's problem is with the aircraft as it is with them not wanting to take care of them. Sell them to DL and be rid of them.


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