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No Air France A380 To Los Angeles?  
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4092 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15303 times:

From what I understand, Air France is not planning on using any of their Airbus 380's on their route to Los Angeles. Any special reason for this ?

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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15193 times:

Air France CEO Jean-Cyril Spinetta announced at the shareholders' AGM that while a lot could obviously change, the company would probably use its A380s on the following routes:

Paris - Tokyo Narita
Paris - New York
Paris - Montreal
Paris - Los Angeles
Paris - Miami

All by 2010...



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15061 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Air France CEO Jean-Cyril Spinetta announced at the shareholders' AGM that while a lot could obviously change, the company would probably use its A380s on the following routes:

Paris - Tokyo Narita
Paris - New York
Paris - Montreal
Paris - Los Angeles
Paris - Miami

All by 2010...

This "information" is quite old and now quite obsolete ...

AF will start its A380 next November 16th 2009, first on CDG-DXB & CDG-JFK for crew training.

Then, in 2010, AF will add NRT, JNB and IAD (summer 2010) as A380 destinations.

From 2 x Daily B77W, JNB will become 1 x Daily A380 + 3 x Weekly B77W
From 3 x Daily A330/B777, IAD will become 1 x Daily A380 + 1 x Daily B772ER.
From 3 x Daily A330/B77W, NRT will become 1 x Daily A380 + 1 x Daily B77W while another 1 x Daily Frequency will be opened on CDG-HND-CDG (most likely A332 or A343).



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
From what I understand, Air France is not planning on using any of their Airbus 380's on their route to Los Angeles. Any special reason for this ?

The main reason is that like many other Airlines, AF has delayed the delivery of its A380 after the 5th aircraft.
LAX will most likely see AF's A380 one day ... but not as soon as we thought (probably not before 2011/2012).


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15836 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15027 times:

What do we know about the configuration? From the routes listed I would guess it would be fairly heavy on premium seats for business travelers.


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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14886 times:

If they decide one day to fly to Los Angeles with the A380, will they continue using the 380 to Papeete, Tahiti ? I beleave thy use the 747 currently to Tahiti.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14733 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 4):
If they decide one day to fly to Los Angeles with the A380, will they continue using the 380 to Papeete, Tahiti ? I beleave thy use the 747 currently to Tahiti.

Certainly not.
AF is currently using a B772ER 3 x Weekly on CDG-LAX-PPT.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
What do we know about the configuration? From the routes listed I would guess it would be fairly heavy on premium seats for business travelers

The configuration will be 9 First / 80 Buisness / 465 Economy.
The number of seats in Y is subject to change with the introduction of the new "Premium Voyageur" (Eco + Class).


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14427 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Paris - Miami

By the way, MIA has NEVER been a potential A380 destination for AF.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4092 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14211 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
Certainly not.
AF is currently using a B772ER 3 x Weekly on CDG-LAX-PPT.

Ok. When I was in Papeete in 2006, they used the 747. I guess they have changed equipment.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13801 times:



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 1):
Paris - Montreal

I thought AF took the 4th daily frequency, rather than adding an A380 on the route?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13801 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 7):
Ok. When I was in Papeete in 2006, they used the 747. I guess they have changed equipment.

AF changed from the B744 to the A343 and added a 4th weekly frequency on LAX-PPT-LAX.
Since Last month (Apr.2009), AF switched back to 3 x Weekly with a B772ER offering a First class (the B744 & A343 did not).


User currently offline9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13603 times:

I thought there was some talk of Air France deploying the A380 on the CDG-SIN-CDG route due to the success of the Qantas Codeshare out of SIN. Has the Singapore Airlines A380 on the route from June 1 put an end to those rough plans?

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12796 times:



Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 10):
Has the Singapore Airlines A380 on the route from June 1 put an end to those rough plans?

No. Nothing to do with SQ.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 10):
thought there was some talk of Air France deploying the A380 on the CDG-SIN-CDG route due to the success of the Qantas Codeshare out of SIN.

True.
But here again, just like with LAX or PEK, AF had to make a choice. With only 5 A380 available in its fleet by the end of 2010, AF could not immediately cover all its planned destinations for the A380.

SIN is served only 1 x Daily from CDG ... frequencies can be added to provide more capacity if necessary

The A380 will be deployed to destinations already served by many daily flights (JFK, NRT, IAD, JNB) where the frequencies can be reduced without penalizing the attraction of the CDG "Hub". The Frequencies reduced will free up some equipments that will be used to add more flights elsewhere.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12607 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 2):
AF will start its A380 next November 16th 2009, first on CDG-DXB & CDG-JFK for crew training.

Do you know when the A380 flights will be loaded into the schedule and on what CDG-JFK flight the A380 will operate?



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12390 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
while another 1 x Daily Frequency will be opened on CDG-HND-CDG (most likely A332 or A343).

This would be great. What has changed in Japan to allow this to happen? Any other airlines planning long haul ops to HND? It is certainly much more convenient than NRT for those heading to central Tokyo.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12305 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 13):
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
while another 1 x Daily Frequency will be opened on CDG-HND-CDG (most likely A332 or A343).

This would be great. What has changed in Japan to allow this to happen?

HND is opening a new 4th runway in 2010 which will significantly increase capacity. NRT only has 2 runways and one is short and can't be used for many longhaul widebody departures.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12240 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 12):
Do you know when the A380 flights will be loaded into the schedule and on what CDG-JFK flight the A380 will operate?

Don't know yet ...

The First Commercial flight is normally scheduled on November 16th, That's all I know.

It is also rumored that the delivery flight from Hamburg to CDG could be operated "commercially" with special guests, AF VIP passengers invited, Medias, etc ... but nothing confirmed yet.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12176 times:

Any chances of CDG-DXB on the A380 being all year round, even if seasonal? Traffic tends to pick up during the fall/winter months in Dubai.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11924 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 16):
Any chances of CDG-DXB on the A380 being all year round, even if seasonal? Traffic tends to pick up during the fall/winter months in Dubai.

No way.
DXB is chosen because it's a "short" flight from/to CDG (6hours or so) and because of EK's A380 maintenance facilities, just in case.


User currently offlineMd11dude From Canada, joined May 2004, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11312 times:

--AF will start its A380 next November 16th 2009, first on CDG-DXB & CDG-JFK for crew training. --

I was under the impression that Montreal would be one of the first?



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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10741 times:



Quoting Md11dude (Reply 18):
--AF will start its A380 next November 16th 2009, first on CDG-DXB & CDG-JFK for crew training. --

I was under the impression that Montreal would be one of the first?

Same here. Last I heard they had chosen to fly the A380 to YUL rather than JFK. Can anyone elaborate?


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10605 times:



Quoting Md11dude (Reply 18):
I was under the impression that Montreal would be one of the first?

Had been indeed planned by AF for a while.

Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 19):
Same here. Last I heard they had chosen to fly the A380 to YUL rather than JFK. Can anyone elaborate?

Since then, YUL got a 4th daily flight (in the summer), reducing the need for large airplanes. Besides, YUL may remain a good money-maker for AF, JFK is just even more a money-maker with lots of high-J and F 777s. YUL gets a 3-class 777 on only 1 of the 4 flights (currently it is 2*343, 1*744, 1*772).
I think this is a smart move from AF, and i can see the new AF342 flight leaving at 11.00 arriving at ~ 1.00 PM being very successful.



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