BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2962 posts, RR: 6 Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
I was just out to their website (http://www.seaportair.com/) and noticed a few things:
1. They offer first class. I didn't think their planes were large enough for a separate section, or long enough to provide a reasonable service that could differentiate between first and economy classes. Does anybody know what their first class service entails?
2. Fares - their PDX-BFI round trip is over $300 r/t (I sampled May 15-22 roundtrip). This is substantially higher than QX or OO's service into SeaTac. Clearly one pays a premium for Boeing Field.
It seems this scrappy little airline is carving a small niche for themselves, most notably trying to expand into markets not served by the competition. Has anyone tried them? What does the future hold for SeaPort?
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1504 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2652 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter): 1. They offer first class. I didn't think their planes were large enough for a separate section, or long enough to provide a reasonable service that could differentiate between first and economy classes. Does anybody know what their first class service entails?
Don't know where you got this...but they do not have a first class.
They're Part 135 as they only have 9 seats. So they park at the corporate area at PDX and if you want to connect to another flight, you have to take your bags and the shuttle to the main terminal and recheck in and go through security there.
As much as I like the PC-12, there is no way this service will be sustainable when subsidies run out. On the PDT service they'll likely keep the subsidy...but on the BFI-PDX routing, they are running it all on their own. And their load factor is 40-50%. Not nearly enough to pay for the PC-12. On the AST and ONP routings they need a subsidy of almost $900 per flight. That is just beyond ridiculous.
I think though they are hoping to get Oregon to keep the subsidy going after it runs out in 2 years even though Oregon said this was a one time deal to make the service sustainable. They also were given 60-90 days I believe to get an interline baggage agreement and I haven't seen anything yet. They started on March 15 to AST/ONP so it has been almost 2 months.
The PC-12 is just not a viable commuter airplane no matter how you slice it. Operating costs are through the roof.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5962 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2456 times:
I had heard that during the I-5 closure due to flooding from the last Pineapple Express storm, QX was running up to 35 flights per day between PDX-SEA and flying a couple of stored Q200's to fill in. From reports during the time, those flights were packed. In fact, I guess AS flew a few flights using 734's, mainly for cargo. On the same report, they (I can't remember if I read in the Seattle Times or saw it on the news) that Seaport Airlines had available seats, and were only filling about 40% to 50% of their planes.
It's hard to fill a niche when no one knows about you, IMHO. Frankly, I always figured a larger aircraft flying PDX-BFI would be a better fit, even with TSA. The direct connections and benefit of not going to SEA and dealing with the masses always made sense.
Having said that, if only a relative handful of people a day choose Seaport, then they could continue meeting the needs of that niche. But who knows about them???