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SeaPort Airlines: Making A Niche?  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

I was just out to their website (http://www.seaportair.com/) and noticed a few things:

1. They offer first class. I didn't think their planes were large enough for a separate section, or long enough to provide a reasonable service that could differentiate between first and economy classes. Does anybody know what their first class service entails?
2. Fares - their PDX-BFI round trip is over $300 r/t (I sampled May 15-22 roundtrip). This is substantially higher than QX or OO's service into SeaTac. Clearly one pays a premium for Boeing Field.


It seems this scrappy little airline is carving a small niche for themselves, most notably trying to expand into markets not served by the competition. Has anyone tried them? What does the future hold for SeaPort?

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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

SeaPort is a great alternative to driving up and back to Seatte.
For my flight, I think I arrived 10 minutes before departure, and it was a little too much.

They have started some routes to Astoria and Newport with government subsidies, and they aren't quite taking off yet there. (See yesterdays oregonian I think)


Not sure about the first class, and now with the North runway closes, that's going to be some added taxi time.

PC-12 is a sweet ride, and if I can avoid the TSA Gestapo for a quick trip to Seattle and be back by the afternoon, way worth the price.

They have finally added a full mid day schedule, so you can really zip up to Seattle for an hour meeting, and fly home all before late afternoon.



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2585 times:



Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 1):
and if I can avoid the TSA Gestapo for a quick trip to Seattle and be back by the afternoon, way worth the price.

How are they able to avoid TSA?


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2543 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
1. They offer first class. I didn't think their planes were large enough for a separate section, or long enough to provide a reasonable service that could differentiate between first and economy classes. Does anybody know what their first class service entails?

Don't know where you got this...but they do not have a first class.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):

How are they able to avoid TSA?

They're Part 135 as they only have 9 seats. So they park at the corporate area at PDX and if you want to connect to another flight, you have to take your bags and the shuttle to the main terminal and recheck in and go through security there.

As much as I like the PC-12, there is no way this service will be sustainable when subsidies run out. On the PDT service they'll likely keep the subsidy...but on the BFI-PDX routing, they are running it all on their own. And their load factor is 40-50%. Not nearly enough to pay for the PC-12. On the AST and ONP routings they need a subsidy of almost $900 per flight. That is just beyond ridiculous.

I think though they are hoping to get Oregon to keep the subsidy going after it runs out in 2 years even though Oregon said this was a one time deal to make the service sustainable. They also were given 60-90 days I believe to get an interline baggage agreement and I haven't seen anything yet. They started on March 15 to AST/ONP so it has been almost 2 months.

The PC-12 is just not a viable commuter airplane no matter how you slice it. Operating costs are through the roof.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...lights_to_oregon_coast_slow_t.html

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2504 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 3):
Don't know where you got this...but they do not have a first class.

On their booking engine they offer first class fares.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 5):
On their booking engine they offer first class fares.

Are you sure you didn't just take a quick look at the "Fast Class" fare and mistook it for first class?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2451 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 6):
Are you sure you didn't just take a quick look at the "Fast Class" fare and mistook it for first class?

Ugh. Serves me right for posting before coffee. Thanks for the correction and the information Hatbutton.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2448 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 7):
Ugh. Serves me right for posting before coffee. Thanks for the correction and the information Hatbutton.

Haha no worries. I need some as well.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
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I had heard that during the I-5 closure due to flooding from the last Pineapple Express storm, QX was running up to 35 flights per day between PDX-SEA and flying a couple of stored Q200's to fill in. From reports during the time, those flights were packed. In fact, I guess AS flew a few flights using 734's, mainly for cargo. On the same report, they (I can't remember if I read in the Seattle Times or saw it on the news) that Seaport Airlines had available seats, and were only filling about 40% to 50% of their planes.

Is Seaport Airlines really filling a niche???


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5445 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2216 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 9):
Is Seaport Airlines really filling a niche???

It's hard to fill a niche when no one knows about you, IMHO. Frankly, I always figured a larger aircraft flying PDX-BFI would be a better fit, even with TSA. The direct connections and benefit of not going to SEA and dealing with the masses always made sense.

Having said that, if only a relative handful of people a day choose Seaport, then they could continue meeting the needs of that niche. But who knows about them???

-Dave



Totes my goats!
User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Is there TSA staffed at BFI ???

User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2056 times:



Quoting Cospn (Reply 11):
Is there TSA staffed at BFI ???

No, Seaport doesn't need TSA because they are a Part 135 operator.


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