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FR Considers Cutting Baggage Handlers  
User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6472 times:

I didn't see a thread on this.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5465ML20090507

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Europe's largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

...what next, bring your own seat?????

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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6415 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Thread starter):
I didn't see a thread on this.....

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5465ML20090507

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Europe's largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

...what next, bring your own seat?????

Sounds desperate to me. It means pax flying with FR cant bring large pieces of luggage as they have to bring them through security themselves


User currently offlineFlynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6344 times:

Nothing strange with that in my opinion. FR have positioned themselves as a low cost airline in the true meaning of the words. That means always trying to cut costs. I also believe, that this means they are seeking/trying to create a type of passanger that fits their way of making business. Carry your own luggage, buy tickets online etc. No frills.

If you travel the way they want you to travel, they are the chapest airline to travel with. They compete with low fares and nothing else.

If you don´t like it, go with someone else.

Regards,

Flynorth


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6324 times:

The Russians tried this with the introduction of the Il-86, the result being complete chaos - especially when reclaiming your own baggage from the aircraft once landed.


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User currently offlineBSU747 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6282 times:

Will never happen unless Ryanair have their own exclusive terminal and bags are security screened just prior to loading onto aircraft with passengers.
Me thinks this is just another Ryanair publicity stunt to keep the Ryanair name in the public eye free of charge.



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User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6271 times:



Quoting BSU747 (Reply 4):
Me thinks this is just another Ryanair publicity stunt to keep the Ryanair name in the public eye free of charge.

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Also it will be impossible for FR to manage their short turn around times with pax taking care of their own bags.



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User currently offlineFlynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Well, this makes an old question I asked in an old thread (maybe a year ago) somewhat relevant again.

I asked back then if airlines like FR would try to impose their business model to the plane manufacturers.

By cutting out all the belly luggage, FR will have a lot of empty space they really don´t need. Any chance FR (and their likes), sometime in the (near or distance) future, will say to the plane manufacturers that they want an airplane that is customized to their needs? in this case, for instance, no need for a big belly cargo hold.

I think the FR way of making business will become more and more common in the future as we travel more and on shorter trips. And that this becoming a big enough market niche for being interesting for plane manufacturers to develop certain airplanes for.

Today's airplanes are made to fit the traditional airlines business models, e.g. BA, UA, SAS, LH, carrying passengers traveling all over the world (with big luggage and more service).

What do you think?


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6180 times:



Quoting Flynorth (Reply 6):
By cutting out all the belly luggage, FR will have a lot of empty space they really don´t need. Any chance FR (and their likes), sometime in the (near or distance) future, will say to the plane manufacturers that they want an airplane that is customized to their needs? in this case, for instance, no need for a big belly cargo hold.

Well, not speaking of FR specifically, but some airlines has a need to transport a fair amount of cargo due to the type of communities (e.g. AS for the small Alaskan villages) or has contracts with the postal service to haul mail or even sometimes with major shippers for small packages.

For LCCs with quick turnaround time requirements, though, I could see your point. But for a typical narrowbody, there's just not enough room to fit an extra deck with seats within the basic shell. So might as well as use the cargo hold space for something that will at least bring in some revenue, even if it isn't for pax bags.

Planes are sufficiently expensive to design and manufacture that I can't really see major structural variations like this unless there was a very strong demand (and commitments) for it. Perhaps some day, but not at the present time, I'd think.



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User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6138 times:



Quoting Flynorth (Reply 2):

If you travel the way they want you to travel, they are the chapest airline to travel with.

That always makes me laugh. FR don't 'want' us to travel with none of the extras they offer. They would love every single pax to pay using a MasterCard, check in at a desk with loads of bags without booking them online - they'd make an absolute killing.

If everyone actually used an Electron card, no bags, no desk check in etc etc and actually paid the £0.01 for a flight, they'd make no money whatsoever.

Quoting BSU747 (Reply 4):
Me thinks this is just another Ryanair publicity stunt to keep the Ryanair name in the public eye free of charge.

I agree - anyone know when this pillock's likely to retire?



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User currently offlineACKattack From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Another thread mentions that FR is looking at buying new aircraft, either the 738 or A320. Instead, MOL should skip over A and B and go over to Lockheed and order a bunch of C-130J-30. He should be able to squeeze in as many passenger as a 738 and he could reduce costs in a few areas. For one, the low floor of the C-130 would allow FR to just drop the back ramp and the passenger jsut scramble on and off, saving the cost of airstairs. Also, this would allow everyone to carry their luggage on and off. Furthermore, there would be maintenance saving from not having passenger windows or a pressurized fuselage. Also, at night FR could remove the palletized seats and carry freight or mail around Europe, creating another revenue source. Also, the C-130s short take off and landing abilities would open more airports to possible FR service.

However, their would be issues with the probable higher costs with the 4 turboprop engines (maybe get Lockheed to change to 2 turbofans) and the slower speed would reduce the number of trips each airframe could make each day, especially with long routes.


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Wow I wander what would happen to us passengers that are disabled and are unable to carry our bags to the plane. Just another way FR is making travel worse


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User currently offlineGFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5849 times:



Quoting Flynorth (Reply 2):
If you don´t like it, go with someone else.

I wouldn't need much encouragement.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

It is well known that Ryanair introduced the idea of making passengers carry everything onboard the plane, fitted inside a 10kg bag, and they already charge a huge amount if you do want to check a bag. So, this new idea would only be for stuff that cannot go into the 10kg bag.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13111 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5675 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Also it will be impossible for FR to manage their short turn around times with pax taking care of their own bags.

This was my thought. The other thought was this is another FR public relations move.

Also, does Europe have any rules on service dogs (e.g., seeing eye dogs for the blind, rescue dogs)? I have friends who train such dogs for various charities. By US law, airlines must accept to fly one per flight (even WN, with their no-dog policy *must* carry the first service dog that is checked in).

Quoting Flynorth (Reply 6):
will say to the plane manufacturers that they want an airplane that is customized to their needs? in this case, for instance, no need for a big belly cargo hold.

Will FR buy a thousand at high profit margins?  no  The trend is to produce sub-types that have multiple customer interest. Its practically impossible to line up financing to develop an airframe without a lessor behind the project; no lessor would help launch an airframe only suited for one customer.

Besides, when has FR been a launch customer? That does not seem to fit in with their business model.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Airlines carry mail so who's goin to put the
bags of mail on the aircraft the mail carrier


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5398 times:



Quoting JETnyc (Reply 14):
Airlines carry mail so who's goin to put the
bags of mail on the aircraft the mail carrier

Menzies??  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineDogBreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

FR Considers cutting Baggage Handlers - Wow! I imagine that the Baggage Handlers would be a littleupset at being targeted by a major airline for being knifed. Reading the thread title I had this vision of FR staff with a blade at the ready to slash some unsuspecting worker who slackens off.

No seriously girls, what's your problem? A lot of sour grapes by some users in this thread and other FR threads that pop up. Is it that their LCC model is successful (57million+ pax can't be wrong), or are they holding a gun at your heads to make you fly with them.

If the fact is that you have to use a credit card, check-in online, self-load your bags
(which incidentally I can't see happening), no assigned seating, etc, etc, doesn't suit your particular travel needs, then do what we have a right to do in this free and democratic world, make a simple choice and travel with someone else. Seems like the logical choice to me. If indeed, they (FR) offer a cheaper ticketing option, why would you complain about the service of FR if the likes of BA, AF, or whoever may be double the cost with all the frills. It's all about choice.

Complaining about the FR option is quite pathetic really. Just get on with life, fly with
someone else, you'll feel much better. If you don't want to fly with FR then why would you care what they do? I personally don't eat fast foods, and would never see the reason to denigrate McDonalds, KFC, etc for what they do. Good luck to them, as they serve a market.

I would imagine that with 200+ aircraft (and increasing) and with an estimated 60+ million pax, if the service is degraded to a point that pax numbers decrease and there their LCC model fails then your whining may indeed be taken seriously, but I'm afraid that's not the case.

 banghead 



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User currently offlineMax777geek From Italy, joined Mar 2007, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4085 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Thread starter):
DUBLIN (Reuters) - Europe's largest low-cost airline Ryanair is looking at the possibility of getting passengers to carry their luggage all the way to the plane, cutting out the need for baggage handlers.

Carrying to the plane isn't almost any new.... pretty usual when switching same company commuters, but I wonder who will load them into the airplane then, rampers ? The pax's themselves ?


User currently offlineQualitydr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3953 times:



Quoting Max777geek (Reply 17):
Carrying to the plane isn't almost any new....

In 1986, I traveled through Frankfurt. I had to check my bag, then identify it to an agent, then carry it to the ramp and deposit at the feet of an armed (and fairly mean-looking) German army troop holding a serious weapon at the ready. Then I could board.

We'd just bombed Quaddafi, and he'd retaliated against American and German service personnel in Germany. Things were tense...

Quoting Max777geek (Reply 17):
who will load them into the airplane then, rampers ? The pax's themselves ?

Yes, and FR will charge you to get into the cargo hold. But you can charge the other pax a fee to haul their bag into the hold. Oh, and you have to bring your own kneepads, or FR will rent you a pair...

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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3259 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3885 times:



Quoting BSU747 (Reply 4):
Me thinks this is just another Ryanair publicity stunt to keep the Ryanair name in the public eye free of charge.

You hit the nail on the head.  Wink



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User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Wouldn't have thought FR employs any baggage handlers anyway. Aren't they all subbed out to handling agents?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3328 times:



Quoting DogBreath (Reply 16):
I imagine that the Baggage Handlers would be a littleupset at being targeted by a major airline for being knifed.

"Upset", you think? Seriously, I suggest having a nice conversation with a couple of former AS rampers and you'll see how royally ticked off they (rampers) were when AS kicked them out on the street in favor of Menzies.



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User currently offlineAerLingusA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

I see where this is going.

FR is making passengers bring carry-on baggage only, eliminating the need for baggage handlers.

Therefore, the baggage/cargo hold will be empty. Now that opens up the opportunity for extra seating on high-density routes!

Now you will see another "double-decker" airliner in the form of a FR 737!



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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

You gotta be kidding me. Honestly I really don't know what to say and bare in mind I'm a ramp agent. Is this airline serious??? I've never flown this airline before nor do I think I ever want to if I can help it, but the fares on this airline must be pretty damn good if people are flying and they seem to be expanding. Getting rid of cargo hold bags all together. I really hope this is not true, as a ramp agent I would not want to see yet another airline getting rid of there ramp. Perhaps those of you that think ramp doesn't do anything will see just how much we do if this goes through.


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2099 times:

The only reason I ever need to check in a bag is when I travel with toiletries for a two week holiday or something like that. As such, FR would be cutting out a section of the market.

All the LCC's seem to be focusing on businessmen, people nipping away for the weekend to visit friends and relatives and second home owners.

Going the way it is FR would cut itself out from the package tour traveller ( a main staple for easyjet)

As someone pointed out, FR don't directly employ baggage handlers. they are part of the services from the handling agent along with tugs, stairs and that kinda stuff.


25 Prebennorholm : Great idea! Anyway, it will not work at all airports. But it can work very well at many minor airports operated by FR. Security procedure has to be ad
26 JER757 : DogBreath, whilst I agree in principle with what you say, isn't the point a little lost in a forum such as this? If people just sung the praises of t
27 ADXMatt : "We would say to passengers ... take your own bag down through airport security, leave it at the bottom of the steps, we put it in the hold and on arr
28 Prebennorholm : Some people get red spots all over when talk is about so called LCC carriers. There is no reason for that. Sometimes they even provide a better servic
29 Post contains images Mayor : As long as you're going to use Herkys, why not think about airdrops and save the landing fees? The bags could be airdropped and each passenger could
30 NEMA : [quote=JER757,reply=26]All people are doing here is expressing their opinion. The simple fact is I (and many others) don't like what they do, and a lo
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