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Exit Windows -- Out Or In When Opened?  
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Something I've been curious about for a long time:

I always try to get an exit row when I'm not traveling in F... Some aircraft/operators say to lay the door across the row of seats in front of/behind the exit, others say to "place" the door outside of the aircraft, while others seem to say to, essentially, heave it with all of your might away from the aircraft.

Ovbiously this isn't an issue with the gull-wing exits on the 737NG (most of my recent flying) but I've always been curious about who makes that decision (airline, manufacturer, safety authorities), scope, and why it might go one way versus the other.

Lincoln


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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

As long as the airlines' evacuation procedures call for getting the OWWE hatch out of the egress path (by throwing it out or laying it across the seats) then all is good. You just have to show the FAA (or other agency) what your procedures are and once they're approved then that's how you'd train the crew. In all honesty, RARELY will a FA be operating an OWWE as we're not stationed near mid-cabin and in the event of an evacuation we'd likely never make it against the flow of people and I'm sure if the situation were dire enough the pax seated there would have already opened the exits.

As long as the exit is open with room for people to get out then I'd say it's good. I've seen evacuation videos where the exits were thrown out and some where they weren't. In my personal opinion, I'd try to throw it out so it's not in the cabin at all, but that's just me.



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3679 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Thread starter):
I always try to get an exit row when I'm not traveling in F... Some aircraft/operators say to lay the door across the row of seats in front of/behind the exit, others say to "place" the door outside of the aircraft, while others seem to say to, essentially, heave it with all of your might away from the aircraft.

When CO did DO IV, I got to take a tour of Inflight Training and someone did ask that question and they did demonstrate how to open the overwing exits. Here's the video I took:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_AlglJdkpw



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 2):
CO did DO IV

Pardon? CO is the only of the three abbreviations I get (unless IV is 4)



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3679 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2915 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 3):
(unless IV is 4)

Yes. It was an event sponsored by CO and flyertalk.com. This year was the 4th, largest, and probably one of the last CO will do since it was a big event. Shameless plug, here's a trip report I did on the event: AznMadSci Does The Do! The CO Do IV!

On a slight tangent from the topic, there will be a Star Alliance DO event coming up to coincide CO's entrance in to Star.



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2824 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 1):
As long as the exit is open with room for people to get out then I'd say it's good. I've seen evacuation videos where the exits were thrown out and some where they weren't. In my personal opinion, I'd try to throw it out so it's not in the cabin at all, but that's just me.

Given the flow of people is out... and in an emergency situation the moment the door is open people will be wanting to get out... if not pushing hard to get out... just going with the flow might be better, depends on how the door functions, if it needs to come in for some reason then off to the side will work.


User currently offlineM11Stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Each airline has their own set of emergency procedures. F/A commands, exit procedures, emergency equipment locations all vary wildly from airline to airline. The main thing you want to do if your ever at an over wing exit and need to get people out is to get the emergency window out of the way. As long as its not blocking the exit and not hurting anyone there's really no wrong way to dispose of the emergency window whether it be throwing it on the seat in the next row, throwing it outside, or putting it on your seat.


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User currently offlineHamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

i have seen a documentary years ago on the discovery channel about airplane evacuations and how in the past lots of people died on board during evacuations because of very simple mistakes. it was demonstrated that when the exit is placed inside on the seat, it has the tendency to fall off its position and thus block the exit path. throwing it out is a much better option as at that point, whether it dislocates from its position or not, who cares, its outside and not blocking any.


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User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Actually I saw that same documentary on the Discovery Channel (or was it Mythbusters) but anyhow the conclusion was that it was faster to get the exit open and tossed outside rather than heave it back inside the plane. It wasn't much difference in time, but in an evacuation every second counts.

User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2623 times:



Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 8):
Actually I saw that same documentary on the Discovery Channel (or was it Mythbusters) but anyhow the conclusion was that it was faster to get the exit open and tossed outside rather than heave it back inside the plane. It wasn't much difference in time, but in an evacuation every second counts.

Cool! i wish i saw that episode!!! it wasn't myth busters though, it was this big documentary about plane crashes, and how safety improved over the years and such



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User currently offlineDaBuzzard From Canada, joined Sep 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2392 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 1):
I'd try to throw it out so it's not in the cabin at all, but that's just me.

I agree, get the exit open and out it goes.
Far easier said than done if you have dozens of people pushing from behind as you likely would in any situation where the exit was required.

Quoting Hamad (Reply 7):
i have seen a documentary years ago on the discovery channel about airplane evacuations and how in the past lots of people died on board during evacuations because of very simple mistakes.

In the heat of the moment, how many people would think "OK, now it's open, rotate it 90* so it fits through the opening."? Very good chance of someone opening the exit and loosing time trying to get it through the opening, a simple mistake that could delay the evacuation and cost lives.

I would expect this is factored into whether the instructions given will be "On the seat" or "Toss it out".


User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
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When I book a trip, I always book emergency exit row seats because of the extra legroom, one of the main reasons I keep up my elite status. If I am flying with my wife, she will take the window seat and I will take the middle or aisle seat, if alone I will take the window seat.

I have coached my wife in how to unlatch and open the various emergency exits. These emergency exits are of the same designs that are used on the Lockheed Jetstar, so I have hands on experience in operating these removable emergency exits.

I always check and mention to my wife what type of emergency exit we are sitting next to, if it opens outward like the later B-737’s or inward on other aircraft, and if the airplane is equipped with an external slide that inflates when the hatch is opened.

If we have to open the emergency exit, the hatch goes out the exit because I feel that by bringing it back into the cabin, it can get in the way during an evacuation. The only exception is on airplanes with inflatable slides that extend when the hatch is opened, then I will bring the hatch into the cabin because I feel that throwing the hatch outside can possibly damage the slide as it inflates.

So I strongly recommend to anyone who sits in an emergency exit row, read the safety card and mentally know how what type and how to operate the emergency exit, other peoples lives my be depending on you.

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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

737NGs are easy - up Big grin


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2096 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 1):
In my personal opinion, I'd try to throw it out so it's not in the cabin at all, but that's just me.

Absent any other direction I think that would be my reflex, but there's also the concern about possibly damaging the slide/slide raft if the exit is equipped with one.

I think putting it on the exit row itself is a horrible idea because of the likelihood of impeeding the exit path; on the other hand putting it in the row infront/behind makes sense -- assuming there aren't any people in the way.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 12):
737NGs are easy - up

...up and away  Smile. I've heard from a couple of FAs that if you don't let go/aren't ready for it after pulling the handle the door opens with enough force to practically pull you out of the aircraft.

Since most of my flying these days are on the 737NGs (and 738s in particular) I don't generally worry about it -- APPLE is my own little accronym -- Assess conditions, Pop Cover, Pull Handle, Leave through the Exit  Smile

On one hand I'd really like to pull that handle to see what happens, on the other, I really hope I never need to.



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1793 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1762 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 11):
When I book a trip, I always book emergency exit row seats because of the extra legroom, one of the main reasons I keep up my elite status. If I am flying with my wife, she will take the window seat and I will take the middle or aisle seat, if alone I will take the window seat.

There are instances as crew whereby someone is sat in the exit (window) seat and is in all intents and purpose, an able bodied person......but I still sometimes wonder if they would have the ability to actually open it. Not only are the exits very heavy, they are near on impossible to open unless you are actually sat in the window seat.

At the airlines I have flown for, training says that the exit should be thrown out of the exit and as far forward as possible. Even if they land on the slide, the slides are designed to have people jumping on them so the exit shouldn't pose much of a problem. IMO opinion bringing the exit in to the cabin is not as effective.



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