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User currently offlineFilAmAirlines From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

I thought there was a time when AAdvantage customers could earn and redeem miles on BA transatlantic flights. Can somebody fill me in on these questions? (Lots of questions)
1) Was there a time when you can earn AA miles on BA transatlantic flights (and vice versa)? and if so, when?
2) Who sets up what how many AA miles you earn and what booking classes on partner airlines (I love flying CX but earning AA miles is tough for Y customers)?
3) Do you think JFK should be considered a hub/gateway and not just a focus city?
4) Are there any routes that AA has from OC and QQ?
5) Are all of CX 744s with the new product?
6) Is there any difference between Club Europe and a Europe Traveller seat?
7) Why did BA stop using their infamous slogan?
8) Why did BA shed the Landor look on its planes? (Beats the World Tails imo)
9) When will BA reveal their new F product?
10) Who has the most CX frequencies in North America?
11) Does CX have cabin crew that work for a certain destination and know the language of destination (like MNL, BKK, etc.)


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3166 times:
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Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
5) Are all of CX 744s with the new product?

Yes. B-HOP is the last one to undergo conversion, and it is now in the process of getting converted.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

CX flies 3x daily to New York and hence is the most frequented destination by our passenger aircraft. LAX will also return to 3x daily once the economy improves.

There is also a language requirement on many of our flights and Cathay will roster cabin crew speaking certain languages on those flights so yes Japanese flights have Japanese speaking crew and Manila has Philippinos etc.

...and the World Tails were great! Breathed a bit of fresh air into their previously stuffy boring image.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3099 times:



Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
11) Does CX have cabin crew that work for a certain destination and know the language of destination (like MNL, BKK, etc.)


I think CX will usually have at least 1 crew member who speaks the native language for a certain destination.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3030 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 2):
There is also a language requirement on many of our flights and Cathay will roster cabin crew speaking certain languages on those flights so yes Japanese flights have Japanese speaking crew and Manila has Philippinos etc.

I was quite surprised to find a Japanese crew on a recent flight from Dubai. There were only a few Japanese passengers including a seat-back kicking kid right behind my seat.

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
7) Why did BA stop using their infamous slogan?

Which "infamous" slogan? I'm aware of a few slogans but none "infamous".

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
8) Why did BA shed the Landor look on its planes? (Beats the World Tails imo)

Because it was out of date as it was adopted before privatization. A new look would refresh the brand and distinguish the new private BA from the old state airline.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3012 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
7) Why did BA stop using their infamous slogan?

Which "infamous" slogan? I'm aware of a few slogans but none "infamous".

"The Worlds Favourite Airline"

I have no idea when BA stopped using it but I'm pretty sure that's what hes asking about...



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User currently offlineBraceBrace From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

CX cabin crew are recruited from 11 Asian lands (including Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, India, Sri Lanka) plus crew based in outports from the United Kingdom, Canada and the United States.

On a typical CX flight, it is not unsual to have a set of crew who can speak 5 to 7 different Asian languages. Amongst Asian carriers, it is likely to have the most diverse cabin crew workforce.


User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2977 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 5):

"The Worlds Favourite Airline"

I have no idea when BA stopped using it but I'm pretty sure that's what hes asking about...

Stopped about 5 years IIRC. basically FR were then able to claim they carried more international passengers and this was the premise of the BA slogan, so it was dropped, after all there is no basis for that statement now in such sweeping terms. Interestingly EZ adopted "the webs favourite airline"

BA and AA have never enjoyed earn/burn rights across the atlantic

landor was updated, sadly missed by many but not really a 21st century look, classic and classy yes. (BTW world tails were abandoned after the demise of Bob Ayling as CEO, and the UK tail, Chatham Historic Dockyard, adopted across the whole fleet.

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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2840 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
8) Why did BA shed the Landor look on its planes? (Beats the World Tails imo)

Because it was out of date as it was adopted before privatization. A new look would refresh the brand and distinguish the new private BA from the old state airline.

The Landor image was the one adopted to distinguish the soon to be privatised BA from the state owned carrier created in the 1970's from the merger of BOAC and BEA. For a number of years BA was said to stand for "Bloody Awful", and the image was designed to reflect the revamp of the airline.

World Tails was brought in on Bob Ayling's watch to reflect that BA was a global airline. It was suggested at the time the airline even considered renaming itself BA. This was at the time that franchise carriers were being introduced - not just in the UK - and the Landor image was felt to be too conservative, too "British", etc.

World Tails was a bold concept, but too much for many. Shame the number of designs wasn't reduced, and regionalised - e.g. the Danish "wings" design could have been used by Sun-Air of Scandinavia, "Deflt" by BASE Regional Airlines, etc. Mainline BA could have used "Chatham", "Benyhome", "Colum" and "Chelsea Rose", maybe with a Welsh design thrown in too.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2822 times:
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Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
3) Do you think JFK should be considered a hub/gateway and not just a focus city?

JFK is a huge operation for AA with nonstops to many important markets. LHR, EZE, GRU and NRT are among the cities flown too. LAX & SFO have the only 3 class US domestic flights in teh AAsystem from JFK. AA is also huge to teh Caribean from JFK. JFK has more 777 international flights then any othe AA city from the USA.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2685 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
I was quite surprised to find a Japanese crew on a recent flight from Dubai. There were only a few Japanese passengers including a seat-back kicking kid right behind my seat.

A japanese crew member would not spend their career ONLY flying to Japan!! The crew fly everywhere but have a slightly higher % than random in flying to their home language port.


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2645 times:



Quoting Mutu (Reply 7):
BA and AA have never enjoyed earn/burn rights across the atlantic

That's not entirely true. AA members are able to earn miles on BA transatlantic flights that are not to / from the US. EG You can earn AA miles on a BA flight YUL-LHR.
http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...rtners/airlines/britishAirways.jsp
The rules are stricter for BA members: 'British Airways Executive Club members will not earn or redeem miles or earn Tier Points on American Airlines operated transatlantic flights including services to India.'
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ecpartnroneworld/public/en_us

These restrictions may change when / if ATI is approved for AA/BA/IB.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2636 times:



Quoting Mutu (Reply 7):

BA and AA have never enjoyed earn/burn rights across the atlantic

Yes, they have and currently do on LHR-MEX/YVR/YYZ/YUL.



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User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:



Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
6) Is there any difference between Club Europe and a Europe Traveller seat?

I believe that the actual seat is now the same, i.e. 3 - 3 config. but with the middle blocked off (like IB) and adjusted for 3" of extra legroom. Apparently the A-C seats were too heavy. Now it is very easy and quick for them to alter the size of the J cabin depending on demand. Personally I think it is is somewhat of a furthur dilution of the J product.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2454 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Because it was out of date as it was adopted before privatization. A new look would refresh the brand and distinguish the new private BA from the old state airline.

The road to the privatisation of BA opened in 1981 with the appointment of Sir John King as Chairman with a brief from the British government to privatise the airline.

Due to the economic downturn in the early 1980s - for example BA lost £544 million in 1the year Sir John King was appointed - the actual privatisation was delayed until February 1987.

The Landor livery was launched on 4 December 1984 as a step on the road to privatisation. On that date 732 G-BKYF (that had been delivered new by Boeing partially painted in the new Landor colours on 20 November and moved in great secrecy straight into a hangar on its arrival at LHR) was rolled out.

The BA objective was to have the whole fleet repainted by privatisation day and I believe that this was achieved. (It is of course unusual for a whole fleet of a large airline to be repaqinted in just a little over two years as a paint job will usually last for between five and eight years.) Hence it is clear that the Landor livery was to refresh the image and distinguish the privatised BA from the old state controlled airline.


User currently offlineFilAmAirlines From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2264 times:



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 11):
Quoting Mutu (Reply 7):
BA and AA have never enjoyed earn/burn rights across the atlantic

That's not entirely true. AA members are able to earn miles on BA transatlantic flights that are not to / from the US. EG You can earn AA miles on a BA flight YUL-LHR.
http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...rtners/airlines/britishAirways.jsp
The rules are stricter for BA members: 'British Airways Executive Club members will not earn or redeem miles or earn Tier Points on American Airlines operated transatlantic flights including services to India.'
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...en_us

I am talking flights US-TATL. I already know you can earn miles through Canada and Mexico/Latin America on TATL flights.
I'll be honest, if BA's Frequent Flyer Program was like AA's, at earning EQM/EQS and miles in general and allowing individual minor memberships, I would join them. Even though I have NEVER flown TATL, imho BA has the better service than AA in Y (My parents refuse to fly J or Y even if it's cheap) I keep bringing up the earning AA miles on BA TATL flights because according to wiki, AAdvantage flyers were able to redeem and earn miles on BA.

Quoting United1 (Reply 5):
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
7) Why did BA stop using their infamous slogan?

Which "infamous" slogan? I'm aware of a few slogans but none "infamous".

I was talking about "The Worlds Favourite Airline"

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
Quoting FilAmAirlines (Thread starter):
3) Do you think JFK should be considered a hub/gateway and not just a focus city?

JFK is a huge operation for AA with nonstops to many important markets. LHR, EZE, GRU and NRT are among the cities flown too. LAX & SFO have the only 3 class US domestic flights in the AAsystem from JFK. AA is also huge to teh Caribean from JFK. JFK has more 777 international flights then any othe AA city from the USA.

However AA lists JFK as just a 'focus city' not a secondary hub, gateway, or hub for that matter

I appreciate all the answers I can receive. Keep them coming! However, I didn't get answers yet from my 2nd and 4th question.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2209 times:



Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 15):
Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 11):
Quoting Mutu (Reply 7):
BA and AA have never enjoyed earn/burn rights across the atlantic

That's not entirely true. AA members are able to earn miles on BA transatlantic flights that are not to / from the US. EG You can earn AA miles on a BA flight YUL-LHR.
http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...rtners/airlines/britishAirways.jsp
The rules are stricter for BA members: 'British Airways Executive Club members will not earn or redeem miles or earn Tier Points on American Airlines operated transatlantic flights including services to India.'
http://www.britishairways.com/travel...en_us

I am talking flights US-TATL. I already know you can earn miles through Canada and Mexico/Latin America on TATL flights.

May be wrong, but I thought the AA/BA frequent flyer restriction was only on USA-LHR flights. During periods when AA and/or BA operated to other points in the UK (MAN/BHX/GLA/STN etc.), I am fairly sure those TATL sectors earned miles under both carriers' FFPs.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2085 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
May be wrong, but I thought the AA/BA frequent flyer restriction was only on USA-LHR flights.

I agree. Certainly AA55 (MAN-ORD) is also BA5107 under the two airlines' code share agreement. The link given in Reply 11 also says:

'BA Miles and Tier Points may be earned though miles may not be redeemed on all British Airways codeshare services operated by American Airlines when the booking is made under the BA code.'


User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2040 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
I agree. Certainly AA55 (MAN-ORD) is also BA5107 under the two airlines' code share agreement. The link given in Reply 11 also says:

'BA Miles and Tier Points may be earned though miles may not be redeemed on all British Airways codeshare services operated by American Airlines when the booking is made under the BA code.'

You're exactly right - similarly, AA members could earn miles on BA JFK-MAN when it operated, but only when booked with the AA code-share. It will be interesting to see if AA code-shares on BA's LCY-JFK service.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2027 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
May be wrong, but I thought the AA/BA frequent flyer restriction was only on USA-LHR flights.

I think it may also apply to flights from LGW that effectively now means the BA LGW-JFK flight.

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 18):
It will be interesting to see if AA code-shares on BA's LCY-JFK service.

It will indeed. I am wondering whether if the US DoT and the EU do nothing an AA code share on the BA LCY-JFK route will be permissible as I am pretty sure that currently it is just LHR and LGW to the USA that code shares and frequent flyer restrictions apply.


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