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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7443 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23083 times:
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Continuing on from MAN news 28.

Précis of the last few posts from that thread:

Air Livery's opening date is in July 2009 using the BA hangar.

Emirates rumoured to be annoucing 3rd daily flight coinciding with their new lounge opening,

Jet2's got a loud advert.

G-WJAN is back operating for TCX.

U2 having an A319 delivered ex-XFW here on 19th May.

Discussions about VS A340 ops to BGI plus a fanciful attempt at a 2 or 3 A340 route network for them if they happened to have spare A340s.

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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 23056 times:



Quoting David_itl (Thread starter):

G-WJAN is back operating for TCX.

So this has come back from Skyservice right? Which is weird as Air 2000 or First Choice or whoever have just sent G-OOOX over to Skyservice which is now registered C-FLOX.



"Our 319's are very reliable. They get fixed very quickly."
User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 23050 times:

Why so many TCX delays today?

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23024 times:



Quoting David_itl (Thread starter):
U2 having an A319 delivered ex-XFW here on 19th May.

It's a high capacity A320 with 180 seats and CFM engines actualllllly.  Wink

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
So this has come back from Skyservice right

Yep, that lovely little Canadian charter outfit. I have the pleasure/horror of flying on a TCX B767 later this month that they snapped in half at PUJ in 2005. I hope the speed tape holds!



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7443 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23026 times:
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Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
It's a high capacity A320 with 180 seats and CFM engines actualllllly.

That was this thread's deliberate mistake to see who's paying attention.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22966 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
It's a high capacity A320 with 180 seats and CFM engines actualllllly.

It's a plain simple A320..........high capacity makes it sound like it has 280 seats not 180 like the many other A320's that visit MAN.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22950 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 5):

It's a plain simple A320..........high capacity makes it sound like it has 280 seats not 180 like the many other A320's that visit MAN

I think he meant higher capacity than what it replaced (just!). And who on earth has a 280 seat A320 that visits MAN?!



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User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22942 times:

Quoting David_itl (Thread starter):
U2 having an A319 delivered ex-XFW here on 19th May



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
It's a high capacity A320 with 180 seats and CFM engines actualllllly


To be fair to David_itl the automated safety demo recordings do say A319 on them... at least thats what I've been told.

[Edited 2009-05-11 05:07:23]

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 22913 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 5):
It's a plain simple A320..........high capacity makes it sound like it has 280 seats not 180 like the many other A320's that visit MAN.

Alert Alert, sense of humour failure! I'm sure the new plain and simple A320's are very nice indeed but it was just a joke. However, since you did want to state facts then let us look at the capacity of the other A320's that visit MAN and compare.

LH = 142
BA = 156 for the regular fleet and 155 for the ex Easyjet ones.
BD = 128 for the ex BMED, 144 for Medium Haul and 156 for the rest.
LN = 158
S4 = 159
CY = 162
LX = 162
AF = 165
KM = 168
1B = 174
EI = 174
ZB = 174
BY = 180
MT = 180
U2 = 180

The average number of seats on an A320 at MAN is thus 171.  Wink



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22822 times:

No sense of humour failure here just that I didn't see the point of adding "high capacity". It's an A320. lol.


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 22808 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
The average number of seats on an A320 at MAN is thus 171.

Can you do the same for BDL????

Me thinks you have too much spare time!!!!


User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 22771 times:

Should we have a seperate thread for the Champions League final? Currently I believe there are 65 charters booked in, probably more to follow. Hopefully something interesting will show up!

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 22651 times:

Quoting Col (Reply 10):
Can you do the same for BDL????

Me thinks you have too much spare time!!!!

Alas no, I'm restricted to sad facts for the UK. I just felt like being pedantic for the orange mardy bum lad up there.  

In other random news then the cottage that semi burnt down on Ringway Road (near T3) has finally been knocked down. MAG must be so upset....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/myt332/DSC01164.jpg *

*Click at your own peril. The image contains a Gkirk

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
Should we have a seperate thread for the Champions League final? Currently I believe there are 65 charters booked in, probably more to follow. Hopefully something interesting will show up!

Well it's still MAN News so should stay here I think. I can see all the flights for those days here. Nothing super fantastic but there is the Hellenic Imperial B742 and Corsair B744 making appearances along with Blue Line A313s, Iberworld A333's and Danish Air Transport MD-87's now.

[Edited 2009-05-11 12:08:20]


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22578 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 12):
Alas no, I'm restricted to sad facts for the UK. I just felt like being pedantic for the orange mardy bum lad up there.

Guess you have your favorites!!

Was down at LHR T3 the other day for my flight LHR-YYZ-BDL. Think the MAN guys need to shoot down there and steal some of the passenger signs, like directions to gates etc. Makes me sad to say that the experience at LHR was much better than MAN!!


User currently offlineEk-a380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22548 times:



Quoting David_itl (Thread starter):
Emirates rumoured to be annoucing 3rd daily flight coinciding with their new lounge opening,

I hope this is true, they need an early morning departure


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 22506 times:



Quoting Ek-a380 (Reply 14):

I hope this is true, they need an early morning departure

Thats what we need the most. I have always said, as much as i would love to see the A380 at MAN, i would much prefer to see a morning departure first. I personally think putting an A330 on the route and leaving the others as 77W's would work. I know it would be a huge step in capacity but remember, SQ are down to 3 weekly now and there is probably a greater chance of them withdrawing all together than stepping frequencies back up. So this is a great way for EK to get their foot in the door. If this proves to be the final nail in SQ's coffin then so be it. As i see it it will only be bringing the inevitable forward anyway.

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 12):
Well it's still MAN News so should stay here I think. I can see all the flights for those days here. Nothing super fantastic but there is the Hellenic Imperial B742 and Corsair B744 making appearances along with Blue Line A313s, Iberworld A333's and Danish Air Transport MD-87's now.

Certainly something to go down and have a browse for! How many days are they operating for? Day before/on the day/day after?

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 12):
*Click at your own peril. The image contains a Gkirk

Thanks for the warning, i decided against opening. Being on a works laptop they are pretty picky!  Smile



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User currently offlineFlybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22309 times:



Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 2):
Why so many TCX delays today?

I was on a TCX from LPA - MAN yesterday, late inbound aircraft due to baggage problems at MAN gave us a departure delay of an hour. The crew managed to reduce the delay to 30 mins during the flight.



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22163 times:

So atm EK has 2 daily rotations at MAN?


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1821 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22004 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 17):
So atm EK has 2 daily rotations at MAN?

Yes, one departs at 14:00 and the other at 20:50. Both by the 77W.

Looking at the thead about the A380 popping into BHX for a one off in coincidence with the new terminal and lounge opening, can we expect something like that? Maybe not in June but when the stand is completed to hold a A388?



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21749 times:

3 Corsair 747s will be operating Rome charters for the Champions' League on 27/28 May. Will be good to see!

User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21702 times:

From the MEN:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ness/s/1114722_april_airport_boost


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21684 times:

Don't you just love their choice in photos!


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21660 times:

Just wait until July/August, where there is 5 less TOM/FCA a/c plus all the XLA a/c from last year...the drops gonna get bigger...


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21599 times:



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
G-WJAN is back operating for TCX.

So this has come back from Skyservice right?

Yes, was with 5G a C-FFAN for the winter. Likewise C-GOEV has returned as G-CPEV 4/27.

C-FEAK 737 86Q & C-FYLC 737 8BK has been leased by Sunwing to Viking for the summer and have gone to MAN.

A whole bunch of aircraft have returned from Skyservice & Sunwing over the past month, many of which returned to MAN. I have a list if anyone is interested.

I also note that WW have released their winter schedule and MAN gets a weekly GNB and TLS remains year round.



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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3064 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21577 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 22):
Just wait until July/August, where there is 5 less TOM/FCA a/c plus all the XLA a/c from last year...the drops gonna get bigger...

 pessimist   pessimist   pessimist   pessimist 

Whilst on the other hand, Viking have arrived, Monarch's capacity is slightly up year on year, with the A321s, Air Europa are up by 6 rotations and Onur Air are up 25%. Delta's ATL is upgraded to a B764 and charter flights to Egypt are significantly up.

Sure, this year isn't going to be a stellar performer, but the significance of it all depends on whether you view the glass as half full or half empty.

 optimist   optimist   optimist   optimist 



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
25 Cornish : " target=_blank>http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....boost What poor journalism (just to make a change). Pretty much everywhere in the UK saw lower
26 GayrugbyMAN : Air Livery was not reported in the MEN in contrast.
27 NonRev : Rumours are VG will be canx the LCY route, anyone heard anything?
28 SKORD : I know a couple of months back they announced a drastic cut-back to about 3 flights a day, heard nothing since. That would be a shame as i love their
29 David_itl : Emirates Skycargo 744F N498MC paid a visit this morning, routing through to Dover AFB.
30 Danfearn77 : Why do i always miss these things! i hope someone got some pics!
31 Post contains links and images Myt332 : Yep, look, Emirates Sky Cargo! View Large View MediumPhoto © K.L.Yim
32 David_itl : It departed about 7.45! So I assume it arrived about 5.30. Therefore, unless there are some early birds around, I reckon no photos would have been ta
33 Ammunition : 'EK plane' was in Atlas Air livery and GTI flight number, aircraft N498MC came in yesterday from MKE.
34 Myt332 : Well here you go. A Saudi 74F is coming in today (15MAY) at 1950 local from BRU. I've been told it's staying till 2225 and then buggering off to TIF
35 LHRjc : Oooh I like those green things! Any idea what the 7 hour delay on the GR1679 is today?
36 Ammunition : GCOBO GR 679 canx on 14th, GBWDE operated today to cover, whle BO is parked remote and Calculated for 17:00 dep. Air Astana 763 P4KCA due to leave at
37 Seemyseems : Who handled the maintenance? I thought it was all done by KLM, as it is a former KL aircraft (PH-BZI).
38 Jamotcx : Yes I did wonder why I saw a Monarch A330 land at AGP this morning. Infact the landing looked rather dodgy as the right wing appeared to drop in the
39 Ammunition : It went in the MON hanger.
40 LHRjc : Sounds more like mine. Yours are usually more just float, float, float, then down to earth with a 1.67G bang
41 Jamotcx : That was the day I decided not to use autothrust and didnt float Any news on when that white A321 parked up next to the cargo sheds will be painted i
42 GayrugbyMAN : Have heard a rumour that TRK are to start 6x weekly DLM service from July.
43 LHRjc : tomorrow.
44 David_itl : Not ostensibly related to MAN but apparently the Manchester Airport Group is 1 of 2 bids still in with a chance from buying LGW from the 3 that were s
45 GayrugbyMAN : Lots of IBW charters for the football in Rome confirmed.
46 Ammunition : A Libyan Cargo An-124 due tomorrow morning (Saturday), around 10am, it was scheduled in earlier in the week but was cancelled. Due in from Tripoli and
47 Seemyseems : How many daily rotations does PK have between MAN and LHE, ISB and KHI? Thanks![Edited 2009-05-15 15:29:33][Edited 2009-05-15 15:30:21]
48 HUYfan : Is there a market for SV to extend their JED/RUH flights to Dammam? Regards Mike
49 David_itl : Last service operated on Friday. Perhaps Virgin Trains have dumped excess capacity in addition to getting their paws on subsidies. Can't believe that
50 Myt332 : I've done it a few times since the VHF timetable came in to effect and every service I've taken is always pretty busy although First Class at off pea
51 GT4EZY : Absolutely. And if it satisfies Lord Alex then it must be pretty good. Furthermore, the West Coast mainline will extensively be used for journeys bet
52 Myt332 : Nice to see my minions finally realising what worth my word has.
53 GT4EZY : It wasn't necassarily an endoresement more of a recognition of what a snooty so and so you can be.
54 GT4EZY : Endoresement -Excuse my spelling. The edit feature doesn't seem to be available anymore.
55 Myt332 : Just because I value how I travel, bah! Works for me. It must just be the LCC version of the site you subscribe to limiting things. When will people
56 Col : Why didn't VLM use the tried and trusted way of competing with the trains.... a bag on leaves spread liberally within 10 feet of the track Smell chec
57 David_itl : Have looked at the EU Commision's press release on the acquisition of BD by LH; they looked at "the impact of the proposed transaction on a number of
58 Gayrugbyman : MS are suggested to be looking at MAN as a possible destination for a 3x weekly CAI service, that would further strengthen the Star Alliance presence
59 Gayrugbyman : Co-Operative will be the new store in T1 arrivals, opening date TBC but in the next month I understand.
60 Boeing74741R : Do you have any idea yet what the specific flights are, and what aircraft will be used? Sorely tempted to go down there as an excuse to get away from
61 Imiakhtar : Courtesy of historyofpia.com, it seems that PK's B743 AP-BFU is due to make an appearance operating LHE-MAN-LHE on Wednesday 27 May. Scheduled to arri
62 Seemyseems : MS? Thats good news! Any chance of AI returning, and maybe to BHX?
63 Post contains links Gayrugbyman : In tonight's MEN: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....808_vlm_scraps_london_city_flights
64 Danfearn77 : Beat me to it. Saw it over on another thread. Just a one off unfortunately. Hopeully these birds will return to regular MAN service. MS would be grea
65 David_itl : Any 3 weekly service by MS would be overkill - the 1st time they operated it was only a weekly summer service back in 1994 to CAI and the 2nd time was
66 GayrugbyMAN : MS was not in the Star Alliance then, and no dout tey are looking at taking advantage of the other Star members at MAN, such as US, BD, CO, SK and LH.
67 Seemyseems : KQ and ET would be great at MAN. Especially KQ, as there is a great travel market for Kenya. Is there a large African community in NW England?
68 David_itl : It's the numnber crunching time of month again, so here's the latest scheduled provisional stats, these relating to April: Where shall we start? Let's
69 Danfearn77 : Not a bad month when you break it down. SV and LN services doing well is very nice to hear. Like you mention, LN really so seem to have the right equ
70 RyanairGuru : According to SeatGuru EK don't have a 364 seat configuration. They use the 2-class 77W, which is 427 (slightly less than the 2C 773). Even so that boi
71 Cornish : I think they would struggle - mainly because they would be up against the Gulf Carriers who are very aggressive on Europe-East Africa routes these da
72 Andaman : From Manchester through HEL to Heaven (Asia) AY have managed to get a nice piece of the MAN-Asia traffic.
73 Post contains images Tapman : In a few weeks time me and a colleague of mine have a meeting down at Canary Wharf in London. Usually we would both fly down, but with all Virgin's a
74 Seemyseems : There is a large Asian community in NW England. I think its good that airlines like AY, LH and KL serve MAN and offer good connections to Asia.
75 Daleaholic : Anybody going to be heading to MAN to see the PK 743 then? Maybe make a mini meet out of it, meet up earlier in the afternoon or something?
76 David_itl : You may want to be in and around MAN about 5am as the 27th is when the Man Utd supporters airlift to Rome is taking place!
77 Daleaholic : May have myself a spotting day! Not been to MAN for ages! Any interesting movements expected?
78 Widebodiedlee : Latest departure list for next Wednesday. Now only 1 Corsair B744. Imperial B742 and Blue Panorama B767 dropped out. Hope this helps. Lee ( Apron Cont
79 Seemyseems : Is this for the Man Utd Charters? I'm a bit behind on the footie atm!
80 Daleaholic : Yeh, champions league final in rome!
81 JonnyWishbone : Anyone know why BA1394 went via East Midlands to MAN this afternoon? Although you're probably more concerned about Virgin's punctuality!
82 Fruitbat : Ah! So my eyes weren't deceiving me this afternoon as I drove towards the A50 from the centre of Derby - I thought I'd been magically transported to
83 Post contains links David_itl : Probably due to thunderstorm activity. In other news MAN is hosting a summit on June 17th with speakers from AA, EK and 9W. Subject? MAN's position a
84 Gayrugbyman : The answer is in the wuestion! Nice of 9W to bother, seeing as they don't bother with any flights from MAN, and only treat us to a codeshare with SN!
85 GT4EZY : You mean G-EZTE? The new play thing indeed did arrive from the Hamburg branch of Early Learning.
86 Jamotcx : Yay a new toy for me to break
87 ZKOJH : OVER ON PPRUNE, horrible rumour yesterday that both BMI and Singapore will be pulling out of MAN in October. if this turns out to be true, thats going
88 Spud757 : BMI will be London Airways number 2 SQ is expected to go with the need to fill the 380. Would have thought the BD feeder traffic from MAN along with
89 Daleaholic : Maybe LH are making way for themselves? Clearing BD out so they can have increased traffic to FRA?
90 Cornish : And maybe its just yet another stupid unsubstantiated rumour - of which there tends to be more than ever around here these days. If BD were to pull ou
91 Boeing74741R : Is the airlift taking place on Wednesday morning only or will there be some movements on Tuesday? And what about Thursday for the return flights?
92 Widebodiedlee : There are a few flights on Tuesday and all of the flights I posted above will return in the small hours of Thursday. I will send another list later i
93 Post contains links David_itl : Well one analyst believed last August that it would make economic sense with extra capacity available with the introduction of A380 ops at LHR for SQ
94 Col : They killed it before the 380. They dropped it down to 5 flights, then back to daily, then back to 5 on days which blew all us users away (someone in
95 Danfearn77 : Totally agree. I think come middle of summer we will know a lot more and i cant see it being the news we would want to hear. But like i have said if
96 Cornish : And he's right. Economically it can indeed make sense. Certainly if they are losing money runinng to MAN. But ultimately (and ok you may make a case
97 SKORD : Yesterday we did... MAN-LHR BA A-320 LCY-MAN VG F-50 What a great day, and what superb short flights!!! It was done specifically to try out VG before
98 David_itl : If it has become a marginal route passengers wise, then this is solely down to how SQ have operated the route. Just last September, 15783 pax were tr
99 Cornish : Which immediately suggests to me that on those sort of load factors (if that was reflected across the year) that yields must have been appalling if t
100 RyanairGuru : Whenever I have flown EY MAN-AUH economy has been about half to two-thirds full, but Business has been practically bursting every time. They probably
101 Cornish : you mean if EK brings it in to MAN? I don;t think so - unless they then flood the market with prices that are totally unsustainable for a long period
102 Boeing74741R : It is depressing to see an airline run a route down like that as we've seen it all before too many times, even when times were good in the economy. A
103 Gayrugbyman : Only 1 CRL 744 coming for the UEFA flights, and apparently Blueline have cancelled all their charters, too.
104 Cornish : mmm well i'd never put BD up as an example of an airline that knows what is doing. BD could balls up a LON-NYC monopoly if it was given the chance...
105 Gffgold : From here in SE Asia to MAN QR beats SQ on price, matches them for service, and you get to stretch your legs half way. That's the reality and SQ is b
106 David_itl : You've stopped me throwing a strop with that! What's been the impact of Air Asia X at STN - I can only imagine that it's taken yield a bit lower (and
107 Cornish : Good - strop not needed !! You know i look at the bigger picture and what goes on all round the world - but i can understand locals getting passionat
108 LJ : Just looked at fares for MAN-SIN and EK is indeed very cheap. Only GBP 2,500 for a F-class ticket and GBP 1,750 for a J-class ticket. No wonder SQ ha
109 Boeing74741R : Same here. I could go on about the amount of questionable decisions BD have made with regards to their future direction (i.e. withdrawing A321s only
110 David_itl : "BA" involvement with MAN long-haul may become better with anti-trust immunity given to oneworld in general and AA/BA specifically - MAN is one ouit
111 Cornish : Well i don't think VS "care" about MAN - its just another airport and routes to them. If MAN routes continue to make money for them they will operate
112 Candid76 : Cornish hits the nail on the head with regard to the Middle East carriers. Although I (like most others) find it deeply regrettable that we have lost
113 Cornish : I agree, it is not the best situation to have just the Gulf Carriers dominating the market for the exact reason you say Candid - but sadly, it will b
114 David_itl : I likes a challenge! It's probably simpler to lay the info as it is below rather than putting the relevant airlines for each year; I have also includ
115 MainMAN : Very telling figures! Also notable is the quite recent expansion of EY and QR into the Australian market, which will also help to expain this sad demi
116 GFFgold : A spit in the sea so far. They are more likely to generate their own market than take pax from elsewhere. Very true. Interestingly, QR is muscling in
117 Cornish : So what are the figures exactly - total by carrier out of MAN to any points in Middle or Far East ? Do remember a large amount of Gulf carrier traffi
118 David_itl : As far as I can remember, the CAA asks airlines for breakdown where there traffic is going so that a "true" picture can emerge but more often than no
119 Cornish : Oh sorry not what i meant, I know exactly how the CAA data works - i've used it and plenty of related stuff for years for work. what i wasn't sure of
120 Boeing74741R : If it all comes off then I'll be very pleased to see it. Sounds interesting too. Agreed. I also want to see SFO and SEA on the west coast and perhaps
121 Widebodiedlee : The latest flight programme for Champions League Final. The Aurela and Fly LAL Charter have dropped out. Also on the 28th the 3rd Libyan AN124 flight
122 Seemyseems : So any new long haul routes/airlines heading our way?
123 David_itl : Not got that kind of detailed info, just the bog standard CAA stuff that's freely available so just giving initial port of calls (ignoring the idea t
124 Flyingfox27 : Qantas flight QF002 arrives tonight at 21:35 and departs again as QF002 to Australia via Bangkok at 23:15. Suprised no ones put that down, must be all
125 Seemyseems : Is this a diversion?
126 GT4EZY : QF now on approach over Hyde
127 Danfearn77 : No, its a one off special charter. Not too sure what for though. Will be great to see some pictures. If id had the chance id have popped down.
128 Seemyseems : It would be good if it was a proper service. Maybe QF will, seeming SQ might be pulling out?
129 GT4EZY : I think we can safely say that the sight of QF on the approach to MAN will remain rare for the foreseeable future.
130 Post contains images BluemoonUK : just a quick edit as i needed to sleep! If it came in on time and not 15mins early,gettin a reasonable image would of been very slim,my sigma 17-70 d
131 Col : A real shame, I miss those V/STOL take offs when coming up from LHR. Someone here should know. Arrived at SIN early this am, and saw a SQ 333. How ma
132 Rutankrd : Col Six SQ A333 delivered todate
133 BluemoonUK : I believe the SQ A330 has been deployed on the Brisbane route,may be flying on that next year if SQ are still at Manchester ! Bluemoon
134 Gayrugbyman : SQ have not filed any slots for winter 09/10 at MAN.
135 RyanairGuru : Thats right, SQ now send their 333s down here: BNE was the launch destination back in March (apart from a couple of trials to BKK etc.). It was appare
136 David_itl : May be a "two off" special charter - happened this time last year. Some religious group I believe did a block booking (200 or so!). BA would not let
137 BluemoonUK : I flew SQ in October just to fly the A380,flew back for Xmas and went with Etihad. Etihad was superb,couldnt fault them.Price will dictate who i trav
138 Gayrugbyman : EY are fabulous, I use them at least once a month and their service is amazing (in C class at least). 2x daily soon, I understand.
139 Daleaholic : With another A330? Or could we see the addition of a 777?
140 Gayrugbyman : With the shirt deal with City, they are keen to compete with EK and are likely to start double daily next winter. EK being at T1 wll also help EY they
141 Danfearn77 : The end is near i feel. Oh well, its a shame but we have EK, EY and QR. The first two atleast seem commited to MAN. How secure is QR? They keep thems
142 Myt332 : Fabulous? I'd say personally they are alright, nothing fantastic. Every time I've flown them I've found the crew quite dull but then again I'm the gu
143 GT4EZY : It's absolutely shocking. It's about time crew started to add a little bit more live entertainment for passengers.
144 Myt332 : Exactly, I think they should all dress up in some ghastly colour, maybe orange, and act like market traders on Eastenders throughout the flight!
145 Gkirk : Poor old G-TCCA
146 Gayrugbyman : Heard today that Man City are flying out to Spain this week - the same morning that 10000 Man Utd fans are flying to Rome! That'll make check-in inter
147 GT4EZY : Touche. If thats what it takes to coin in the commission. Joking aside, you will find cabin service at my establishment far from being the "hard sell
148 Daleaholic : Definately won't be football related. I imagine if anything, it's a few of the players going on holiday together. Most footballers are off on their h
149 Gayrugbyman : It's the whole team, playing a promo tournament somewhere in Alicante area.
150 SKORD : Thats right. Special arrangements have been made for them to go direct from their hotel to Airside, completely avoiding check-in. We dont need ant of
151 Daleaholic : Oh, sorry. I thought all the players would be off! Very odd to have a promo 'after' the season!!!
152 Myt332 : I actually agree. Your lot are my preferred LCC (am I saying this?) for a few reasons but the thing that tips it over the edge for me is your bacon b
153 Cornish : Absolutely - they're financially in the cack and cutting back anyway right now. If they ever come to MAN it would almost certainly be under Jetstar b
154 BluemoonUK : If i go EK next year,looking forward to the 13/14 hr A345 flight to Brisbane from Dubai,NOT !! Bluemoon
155 MAN2SIN2BKK : What has to be considered is not just passengers; this route has always made its money on freight which has more or less dried up. When the route fir
156 Danfearn77 : LS inaugurated their TLV route last thursday and by all accounts it was a packed flight. Security was tight though as expected. LS has taken the decis
157 Myt321 : I'll find out for myself next week. Making my first LS trip LBA-BCN, looks like it'll be a 23yr old 733 complete with starting-handles and rubber ban
158 BlueShamu330s : Gaffer tape and Speed tape are this year's "must haves."
159 Danfearn77 : Yeh i have to admit some of their aircraft have seen better days. I have only travelled once on one of their 752's and it was ok, but their 733's real
160 Boeing74741R : As was the case in 2006. When I flew out of LBA in 2006 on the 737-300s, the aircraft had clearly seen better days. The 757s, on the other hand, were
161 Myt332 : Oh. Why yes. Oh dear.
162 Ant72LBA : Any news on this - still due in at 1030? Got a rare day off so thought I might have a walk out to see it over Heald Green. Anyone able to give update
163 Boeing74741R : Oh dear indeed, but I'd also like to point out that it wasn't me paying. Had that been the case, it would be a different story.
164 Myt332 : It's positioning in at 1010 local and due out back to TIP at 1400. It's ok really, I have the delights of TCX to AYT tonight. I'd also like to point
165 Myt321 : Well chaps I'm proud to say I've spent my own 'hard-earned' on LS, supporting the local team an' all !
166 GT4EZY : No full service treatment?? :-0
167 Ncfc99 : My advice to you is take the EK 2 stop service. I flew EK to BNE via DXB and SIN in 2004. Then flew VS vis HKG and SYD in 2007. I will always take th
168 GKIRK : Nope, just a 1 hour delay I believe
169 MAN2SIN2BKK : I flew TG on the "Angels Express" BKK-LAX 14.30 airborne eastbound, 17.10 westbound, there were 3 meals in each direction and a continual bar service
170 David_itl : New route for next year! But it's not glamorous. Just WW to FAO three weekly from March; they've released their schedule to Easter next year.
171 Gkirk : Brilliant news!
172 Danfearn77 : The only new route to be released up until Easter is FAO. My my...
173 David_itl : Qupting MYT332 from MAN news 28 "Quoting David_itl (Reply 20): I've heard stories that the LGW-JFK service by them is just as "successful" at attracti
174 Gayrugbyman : U2 to SOF/TFS/ALC/AGP/MLA/PFO on sale for winter 09/10.
175 LHRjc : I don't think so... Let's look again. Sales availability for LGW-JFK (commerical seats that are available to be sold, not physical seats available on
176 David_itl : Err...I would imagine the route is being pulled due lack of premium demand?! After all, if it was money-making, why pull the route?
177 Rutankrd : David Said this months ago LGW-JFK would NOT LAST. Its baby sitting JFK slots for the the LCY service end of !
178 Rutankrd : i know this is not really relevant to Manchester but this is what i said on the 16th November 2008 only days after the Manchester-JFK service ended! G
179 MAN2SIN2BKK : This is standard BA logic you're talking about; the staff are trained to believe there is no life north of London, maybe the training has been upgrad
180 Seemyseems : I agree! I found it odd how they had JFK services from LGW and LHR, seemed very odd.
181 Gayrugbyman : U2 GVA also on sale for winter 09/10.
182 Myt332 : Nope, the facts don't lie. I don't care what BA do with LGW-JFK I just know you were wrong. Well it performed better than you'd think obviously. Look
183 Cornish : Maybe BA heard that MAG were preferred bidder for LGW - that would have been enough to scare them off More seriously though, once we remove the "I tol
184 Danfearn77 : Not too bad? Id say thats a good performing route.
185 GT4EZY : Just my two pence....................but imagine that the LGW-JFK is incredibly convenient and well used by the type of pax that would normally gravit
186 Boeing74741R : For me at least it's nothing to do with flying with Jet2 as I'd happily fly with them. It was more to do with me flying with Jet2 from BLK next month
187 David_itl : "and JFK was always full (often oversold) in M, W and J very few pax and F virtually empty everyday so lots of PFUG (pre flight upgrades) and with th
188 LHRjc : I'm sorry but this is complete nonsense. I've checked loads on the BA reservation system and every day for the next 10 days F is either oversold or h
189 Rutankrd : David well "our B763" went south to operate to the rockies (Calgary) didn't it and Gatwick got to baby sit the JFK slot with a triple till the A318 El
190 LHRjc : Seats available for sale: LHR-YYC 30/5 J - 0 W - 0 Y - 0 01/6 J - 0 W - 0 Y - 5 02/6 J - 8 W - 0 Y - 11 03/6 J - 4 W - 13 Y - 9 04/6 J - 10 W - 16 Y
191 Rutankrd : LHRjc Loads on the LGW-JFK are unimportant to the BA strategy. One the route is BABY SITTING JFK slots period. Two if loads are high Watership down wi
192 LHRjc : Indeed I totally agree with you on this and for your reasons why. I was trying to prove this exact point to the people that are claiming that it's be
193 LHRjc : So the NOTAM for the 23R resurfacing said it would finish last night and said NOTAM has now disappeared. Seeing as I'm not flying into MAN until tomor
194 SKORD : Does anyone know whats going on with MON at the moment. During the last week they have suffered 2 massive delays on SSH flights. Last Sunday G-SMAN (A
195 Gayrugbyman : Monday is nove day for EK to T1. Bye-bye 202, hello 31!
196 Danfearn77 : Sure is. I wonder if we can keep our ears open....?
197 LHRjc : Funnily enough I just saw SMAN going over my house positioning MAN-LGW as MON539P. Not sure what's going on with ZB, but MT and BY don't seem to be h
198 Danfearn77 : Driving through the tunnels on the A538 earlier and saw loads of workmen with their measuring cameras and stuff out between the two tunnels. There was
199 SKORD : Transavia 737-800 ops for ZB tomorrow, positioning in from AMS at 06.30. Im guessing they have a sick 757/A-321 somewhere!
200 Daleaholic : Probably, there's been plenty of talk about it. Would be great for photography, seeing the aircraft lifting off right infront of you at Southside
201 BluemoonUK : i think the main reason would be to allow planes to taxi back to terminal and not force the controllers to pause landings whilst the plane taxis back
202 Danfearn77 : It is needed. If 23R shuts for whatever reason, say during the morning rush, having just 23L/5R open would cause huge delays. Having this full length
203 Jamotcx : They had an Air Finland 757 operating today. You should have been there this morning then!
204 Noelg : The Transavia 737-800 operated the 677 this morning, a nice surprise. Was very strange with them all backtracking the length of the runway in sets of
205 David_itl : Hole in the runway apparently. Hole was borrowed from Barlow Moor Road in Didsbury.
206 Steve7E7 : Anybody have a heads up as to which TCX 767 is scheduled to operate the 135K next Sunday (7th)? Silly bollocks here is driving north from Kent to fly
207 Danfearn77 : So what was going on? Was 5L shut and they were sending aircraft down in 3's!
208 Danfearn77 : Britains favourite Regional airport! Thanks for your much needed custom!
209 Gkirk : I'd say there is a fair few that are more favorable than MAN, such as NCL, BHX, GLA and EDI
210 Steve7E7 : It's a pleasure. BTW, what are the bar opening times at MAN this summer? Is there any chance of grabbing a few pre-flight beers in the departure loun
211 Danfearn77 : Na, your just being bitter! Im flying to LHR tomorrow so im going to see if the leaky toilet i saw 2 weeks ago is still leaky! i will report in due c
212 Seemyseems : Really? Any clues?
213 GT4EZY : Apparently it's a new airline funded by a cash rich full service European carrier that has plans to hub MAN.......... Full service.....First, Busines
214 Gayrugbyman : Who will get their bags first today, EK passengers or ZB...? Enjoy the queues and crush at T1!!
215 Danfearn77 : EK's 77W looks good on its new stand. Noticed QR didnt take long to jump in on 212, i wonder if they will use this for themselves.
216 EGCC777LR : Yes that was the case, I was so lucky yesterday morning, I got there about 8.15 and went to the southside expecting to see arrivals into 05R (ATIS wa
217 Gayrugbyman : QR should be at T1 this time next year, if all goes to plan. ZB are currently being rather heavily leant on to move to T2 from this winter, it is clai
218 David_itl : It was part of the "greenness" of the expansion by minimising the need to tarmac extra bits of the Cheshire countryside, with the obvious hindrance t
219 Jamotcx : A hole of some sort was found at the 05L displaced threshold so the whole runway was closed for immediate repairs before any damage was done. There w
220 EGCC777LR : I guess similar to the runway restrictions that exist between 12-3pm each day, I wonder will MAN have to pay any airlines compensation for the latene
221 Daleaholic : Anybody give some information on why US735 was so delayed today? Did it have any relation to the AF incident? Flight # 735 Depart Manchester, United K
222 GT4EZY : It can't have any relation whatsoever especially as no one actually knows what happened.
223 Speedbird19 : Adding to the fact, it crosses the Atlantic nowhere near Brasil...
224 Daleaholic : Ok, ok calm down... jeez Aircraft were once again backtracking down to 5R this afternoon, although this was after aircraft had been taking off from 5L
225 EGCC777LR : It was delayed on Sunday as well, didn't land until just before lunch IIRC, anybody know if it was on time on Monday?
226 Post contains links BlueShamu330s : DL154 did a 180 once Oceanic last night, dropping into CYYT. http://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/D...flight_date=Yesterday&request=main Apparently a me
227 Spud757 : Isn't the QR flight to Bali DOH-KUL-DPS? As someone who has travelled to Bali a few times I would never book such a routing ex-MAN no matter how chea
228 GayrugbyMAN : X3 have confirmed MAN-CGN to go.
229 Jamotcx : Whos X3? Sure is. And I have to say I'm a little tempted to take it next time I go as currently I can get it for £300 less than any other routing on
230 BlueShamu330s : Hover over here X3
231 Jamotcx : It didnt have the hover function on gayrugbymans post (and still doesnt in my browser). I thought Hapag-Lloyd pulled out years ago?
232 David_itl : Doesn't in mine either. Perhaps it's a bug in the program that thinks that the 1st word in a post won't be an airline? X3 have kept plodding along ha
233 MainMAN : X3 has proved to be one Nordrhein-Westfalen flight too many......especially with Ryanair supplementing LH and BE and mopping up the crumbs between MA
234 GFFgold : Yes. From early 2010 it will be DOH-SIN-DPS as the DOH-SIN-CGK route will go non-stop DOH-CGK.
235 Seemyseems : Any news on the Egyptair service?
236 Seemyseems : Okay, got a bit of a question, how many daily rotations are there between MAN and LHR? Thanks!
237 Gkirk : 9 by BA and 7 by BMI?
238 Danfearn77 : Doesnt it vary on certain days. Im sure BMI is around 6-7 daily. BA i thought had reduced a little, to around 5-7 daily? I think they used to be at 9
239 Seemyseems : Cheers for that! I thought it would be in the area of 15+ rotations!
240 Gayrugbyman : EZY winter schedule due out this week? Or are they downsizing for winter?
241 MAN2SIN2BKK : Used to be 11 757s a day! And more when BA used to call it the shuttle with back up flights
242 Ek-a380 : Anyone know how the move to T1 by Emirates went on 01 June? Is their personal business class lounge open? Any plans for a 3rd daily flight ex MAN?
243 Jamotcx : Moscow, Tel Aviv, Sharm...?
244 Gayrugbyman : EK's move to T1 has been mixed. Certainly immigration cannot cope even when fully staffed, with over 400 EK passenger, along with the usual TCX/LS/ZB
245 Col : Let me guess. There are more shops in T1, so instead of running an efficient airport, they want you to be inconvenienced and sick to the back teeth o
246 Gayrugbyman : The transfer passegers don't get the chance to enter the T1 lounge in order to shop.
247 Tapman : Does anybody know why this afternoon's BD587 is cancelled.
248 Danfearn77 : Wish i could know, as i am on it! I didnt bother asking really, its been put back 1 hour. New departure time of 14:00. Rubbish really, as i need to b
249 Boeing74741R : That's interesting, thought MAN wanted carriers like ZB to remain in T1 (both charter and scheduled arms). So by that are MAN wanting convert T2 into
250 MANmatt : It's absolutely ridiculous! The other day I had 4 passenger come off the US from PHL and they had to go to T1 to get screened, where they were checke
251 LHRjc : "Super Shuttle" If you don't mind... It's still one of the routes run with a "Shuttle" call sign to this day.
252 Jamotcx : With a 767 at lunchtime and tea time!
253 Gkirk : Plus the odd 737-400
254 David_itl : Remember when there were train strikes and no fewer than 19 flights operated - tea time saw a BA4492 (the normal shuttle), BA4494 and BA4496 arrive i
255 MAN2SIN2BKK : Humble apologies for that. Used to fly it every week in the mid 80's, used to be a civilised way to travel with a breakfast in the morning and full b
256 Col : Always preferred the Trident/757 combination, oh happy days. Or try the BR 1-11's to LGW.
257 Jamotcx : My Dad landed in the fog on one shuttle and they gave them all mini torches which said "super shuttle, We can land when others havent the foggiest" I
258 Post contains links Danfearn77 : This is going to cause chaos! http://www.uk-airport-news.info/manchester-airport-news-080609.html 8 months using just 5R/23L. Will be fun to watch dur
259 Post contains links ScottieDog : I'm surprised that nobody else has picked up on a posting in Pprune where a link to the Manchester Airport Group website gives detailed operational in
260 BlueShamu330s : It's about time Alpha was straightened, and I hope they eventually do the same to Bravo; the zig-zag between piers A and B going onto Juliet is a bugg
261 Gayrugbyman : I'm not surprised as most posters on here seem more concerned with the past than the future eg how many London shittles once took off on a foggy Mond
262 Gayrugbyman : From tonight's MEN: Night flight noise warning Dean Kirby and Matt Davies June 10, 2009 RESIDENTS living near Manchester airport could be disturbed by
263 Jamotcx : I wonder how many people realise its already been closed for 2 months out of the last 12?
264 Speedbird19 : The T2 transfer desk is now completely stripped of everything, no screens, no airlines on the boards behind. Why take the whole thing out if KL/AF ar
265 Gayrugbyman : Errr...you do the math! They won't be at T2 much linger if MA plc have their way. WW have today released for sale FAO/ALC/PMI/AGP for next summer - g
266 Danfearn77 : I believe this set off works will begin early next year and last 8 months so it seems to be a new set of repairs. The thing is MAN is not a huge tran
267 Seemyseems : Really? I thought T2 was the 'SkyTeam terminal'?
268 Danfearn77 : The terminals are a bit of a mess really. T3 looks like it is going to become a Loco terminal. BE, BD, WW and maybe LS too. T1 could become legacy ca
269 Jamotcx : Yup this will be a new set of works, but the runway was closed for a month approx 6 months ago when they were removing rubber from the landing area o
270 Gayrugbyman : No such plans to organise terminals by alliance. T1 will be home to all legacy carriers, T2 leisure and charter and T3 loco.
271 Danfearn77 : Because its probably not that obvious! But once it is mentioned in the media, thats it! The aircraft will be so loud it will make everyones head fall
272 Col : The easiest thing is to think about MAN as an Airport and stop jerking around with the place. The airport used to be great to transit. Now you want p
273 Danfearn77 : Like i mentioned, they could do with having it in place in the next few years, because if the Torries win the next election and LHR doesnt get its run
274 Gayrugbyman : Sounds like AB are also pulling their PAD-MAN service this winter along with the X3 retreat from STR/CGN/HAJ. Germany will be a LH/BE/FR 3-way. I unde
275 Rutankrd : Danfearn It matters NOT A JOT which mob win the general election next MAY ! There has grown a cross party anti aviation political consensus within the
276 Myt321 : Rutankrd Pretty much agree with all you've said there. No matter what they'll always be excess demand for capacity at LHR and indeed London. MAN with
277 RyanairGuru : Myt332, your absolutely right - MAN is only a couple of hours from central London and as capacity becomes more and more constrained down there, it cou
278 Seemyseems : I was reading on wiki about MAN, is there plans for Terminal expansions and a possible satelite? I reckon a satelite woul look really good at MAN, may
279 David_itl : Absolutely not. We've been told that this is an airport that doesn't plan for the future?! But in the real world, having seen 1 terminal grow into 3
280 DptMAN : I was just wondering if anyone knows of any progress on the Emirates Lounge in T1. Any pics of progress would be great to see? dptMAN
281 Post contains links and images Myt332 : Hello and welcome back to my good self! Missed me?   Sounds great but I live 3 miles from Heathrow now so I'm catered for fine with London Airways! O
282 Boeing74741R : The major problem with LHR growth is its location. Because everything else has built up around it, expanding the place with a third runway or more ter
283 Danfearn77 : Nope! Debatable! I believe it is due open in July, but cant be sure. Will be good when it opens anyway. Apparently its close to being finished. EK ar
284 Kaboom360 : Good Morning, Sorry to be a pain, i'm flying MAN - IBZ on 1st July, on TCX, and have a few questions Our tickets state B767, but i wondered if anyone
285 Spud757 : Thanks for sharing that video. Of the charter carriers is it only TCX that let you watch outside on the AVOD? FCA didn't have this facility on their
286 BlueShamu330s : Apologies if this has been mentioned before, some booking engines are showing Qatar going double daily twice a week from November, but I can't see any
287 GT4EZY : We operate IBZ out of LPL in the Summer months and they are supposed to be legendary. The night ones are usually the infamous ones but as crew.......
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