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Greek Airline Planning New B747 Flights From BHX  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

A GREEK airline is to launch its first services from Britain – with direct flights from Birmingham to Athens and Jeddah.

Hellenic Imperial Airways is so confident of the demand for both destinations it will be operating four flights per week to the Greek capital using a 456-seat Boeing 747 jumbo jet.

Two of the weekly flights will have onward connections to Jeddah in Saudi Arabia.

The new service is expected to start in early June with prices from £199, plus taxes, to Athens and from £299, plus taxes, to Jeddah.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/t...birmingham-airport-97319-23570572/

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http://www.hellenicairways.com/

Would be cool to get a 747 from UK to Athens though.

[Edited 2009-05-11 04:08:45]

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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9594 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Hellenic Imperial Airways is so confident of the demand

So I wonder why Maersk UK couldn't fill CRJs when they operated BHX-ATH? THe idea that U2, OA or A3 have not looked at services on the route with the smaller equipment that they have compared to Hellenic's 747s may say something about what they estimate the demand to be .


User currently offlineDC10BHX From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9521 times:

I have to be honest but I am quite sceptical about this service lasting. They are marketing the service based on the large Muslim population in the West Midlands as well as the "bucket and spade" customers. The problem that I forsee is that the Hadj does not last all year round. The carriers need to pass various checks to allow their flights into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the passengers all need specific visas to allow their entry into the Country. Tourism (as such) for the Kingdom does not exist.

If a carrier such as Air Sylhet (or Akal Air) cannot make a service from BHX to ATQ last more than a month flying a 757 I do not hold out much hope for this service with a Classic 747 (nice as that would be to see here at BHX).

Please do not put me down as a misery but BHX needs to concentrate on services which will last longer than a season. Once we have the extension to the runway we MUST make the most of the services that we hope to attract.



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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

As they already fly for the Hadj then it should be O.K
However mixing Muslim travellers and backpackers to Athens will be an interesting situation.I assume no alcohol on these flights.
Imagine the baggage at checkin?????? no wonder they need a 747. The website does not yet show the flights or any information as we shall see. It is a bit late to start a summer 2009 flight programme now.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

I saw another article and it seems they have teamed up with Hadj tour operators in the UK
so maybe they are guaranteed some large groups ''chaters'' and anything they pick up on the BHX-ATH will be a bonus. As an airline they have been going for quite a while so they are not dodgy. I dont like their name though. ''Imperial'' is a bit rubbish IMHO. Hellenic Airways would be better .

On their website there is a chart of seating plans and pics etc.. Doesnt look too bad. I would certainly try it out for the novelty.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7532 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9215 times:



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 3):
However mixing Muslim travellers and backpackers to Athens will be an interesting situation.I assume no alcohol on these flights.

Hellenic Imperial are taalking about a "connection" between their BHX-ATH and ATH-JED services on two of the four days a week that their BHX-ATH flight is planned to operate.

When I flew many times back in the early 1990s with BA on their then LHR-JED service, BA served alcohol on the flight but before the aircraft entered Saudi air space all remaining alcohol as well as empty bottles were LOCKED away.

I am sure that if 15 years ago alcohol was served on a direct flight between the UK and Saudi that it will be possible to serve alcohol on a flight from the UK to Greece that connects with another flight to Saudi.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8905 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
I am sure that if 15 years ago alcohol was served on a direct flight between the UK and Saudi that it will be possible to serve alcohol on a flight from the UK to Greece that connects with another flight to Saudi.

Yes Im sure it would be unless there was an over whelming objection to it. If it turned out to be 90% of passengers were indeed heading to Saudi then Im sure HIA would maybe take that into account.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7735 times:

Normally with an announcement like this I'd expect it never to happen, but as they have the crew, aircraft and know-how all in place already, I actually think it will, although whether it lasts or not is another thing. OA put the A343 on ATH-LHR, and I think BA use the 763 quite often, so if the fares are right they may well take a lot of the discount market from the likes of LHR.

Certainly I'll have to get on this flight, the 747-200 is missing from my log and this would be a very easy and cheap way to add it! Fingers crossed.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7184 times:



Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 3):
However mixing Muslim travellers and backpackers to Athens will be an interesting situation.I assume no alcohol on these flights.

I don't see how Saudi Arabia would have the tiniest bit of influence on whether alcohol can be served on an intra-European flight.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I dont like their name though. ''Imperial'' is a bit rubbish IMHO. Hellenic Airways would be better .

Jealousy. Greece used to be an empire too. And the UK no longer is neither, anyway.



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User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6614 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 8):
Jealousy. Greece used to be an empire too. And the UK no longer is neither, anyway.

When was that? Macedonia was an empire, Greece as a nation never existed back then.


User currently offlineATHYEG333 From Greece, joined Jun 2007, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

I think IHA is a joke!

This "airline" announces numerous destinations like YYZ,YUL,JFK,JNB and a couple of other destinations in China and Australia for the past 2-3 years, and as of today the only real "destination" of the airline is El. Venizelos Int. Airport, where their 747 are parked!

Their website also is a joke, with no booking information and a rather general advertisement about their destinations.

And as far as safety is concerned, well I 'd be very sceptical about that....

Please if someone knows something more specific about this "airline",
let us know...


User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

I thought that Hellenic Imperial was just a charter airline. Not sure that there is room in the market place, with A3, OA, EZY and BA, not to mention multiple connections between the UK and Athens offered by the likes of LX, LH, AF, OS, AZ et al.

Whenever I am in Athens I always see their aircraft parked up. However, it would be nice to relive the days of the classic 747. Wonder what their business class would be like?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

The plan is to operate 4 x a week with a departure at 18:00 from BHX-ATH . The flight would land in ATH with JED bound passengers remaining onboard whilst the A/C was refuelled and passengers bound for ATH got off and ATH-JED passengers got on. The BHX-ATH-JED flight would be twice a week and the other two flights would be just ATH-BHX.

Fares from UK to ATH £199 and UK-JED £350


User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5572 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Certainly I'll have to get on this flight, the 747-200 is missing from my log and this would be a very easy and cheap way to add it! Fingers crossed.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I would certainly try it out for the novelty.

I think I'm going to look into this very closely! My Fiancee would love to fly on a B747 & she's been on about wanting to visit Athens! Looks like I might get double brownie points if this comes off!  Wink  Big grin
If this is for real it must be the cheapest way of flying a B747?

Dave(SAAB900)


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1685 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Are there any existing nonstop services between Greece and Saudi Arabia? If not, then this would be a welcome addition for few people...

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5486 times:



Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 13):
If this is for real it must be the cheapest way of flying a B747?

Yes I think so. A rare chance to get on a 747-200 intra EU . Will be full of Anetters Big grin

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
Greece and Saudi Arabia?

I dont think so currently, the interactive map shows it as a route but when you hover over it nothing shows so maybe its been put on and will be updated when and if this service starts.


http://www.aia.gr/flight_schedule/default_en.htm


User currently offlineKesflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5342 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 14):
Are there any existing nonstop services between Greece and Saudi Arabia? If not, then this would be a welcome addition for few people...

SV usually has summer ops from Jeddah and Riyadh to Athens. However no sign so far...
Previously OA also flew to Saudi Arabia.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Sometimes airlines just get it wrong. I think this is an example. A 747 from BHX to ATH? I don't think so.

How long did DUO last serving destinations from BHX? Not very long if I remember correctly.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5299 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
The plan is to operate 4 x a week with a departure at 18:00 from BHX-ATH . The flight would land in ATH with JED bound passengers remaining onboard whilst the A/C was refuelled and passengers bound for ATH got off and ATH-JED passengers got on. The BHX-ATH-JED flight would be twice a week and the other two flights would be just ATH-BHX.

Fares from UK to ATH £199 and UK-JED £350

Do you know when one will be able to book tickets? Would love to try out the 742!



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5251 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
the 747-200 is missing from my log

Wow.. I actually flew an aircraft that is missing from your log? I feel priviledged  Smile

(Good old LH 742s between FRA and MIA back in the days)



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5223 times:



Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 19):
Wow.. I actually flew an aircraft that is missing from your log? I feel priviledged Smile

(Good old LH 742s between FRA and MIA back in the days)

It's what happened after years and years flying LON-Spain, looking at the 747-200s which still littered LHR and LGW then, and wishing we could be going somewhere a little different on one of them, instead of yet another Iberia A320 to BCN. I'd actually written getting a flight on the 742 off, so this is a great opportunity dangled in front of me!  silly 



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

I totally agree... flying a Classic 742 would be amazing!! BUT... unless they offer a FResque £1 all-in return (which would never happen, obviously!) there is NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY im parting with my hard-earned cash, the whole thing seems far too dodgy for my liking!

We can live in hope though....  cloudnine 

Personally, i wouldnt bet 50p on it actually happening!  Sad


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5200 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 21):
BUT... unless they offer a FResque £1 all-in return (which would never happen, obviously!) there is NO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY im parting with my hard-earned cash, the whole thing seems far too dodgy for my liking!

Lets just say I would be booking via a reliable and no nonsense Credit Card  Wink



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5188 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 22):
reliable and no nonsense Credit Card

Care to share?? Big grin


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5182 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 23):
Care to share??

Well it'll be either Visa or Mastercard  Wink It'll probably be with Halifax, as they are also my bank and I have my travel insurance with them, so if I did need to claim it should in theory be easier for them to liase with each other - although banks being banks there is no guarantee of that!  silly 



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25 Severnaya : Did they get back all their certificates? I seem to remember they had been grounded by the Greek civil aviation authority for at least three months la
26 OA260 : Not sure , when I know I will post if someone else doesnt first. Most credit cards cover this and also some insurance companies cover ''Airline Failu
27 SAAB900 : I cant see Transaero's charter flights being cheaper than £199!! Dan's got it right, credit cards do come in handy for flights with shall we say the
28 Severnaya : Is £199 one way? Plus taxes also have to be taken into consideration, when booking early a dirty cheap ticket to SSH or such, then UN is for sure no
29 PlymSpotter : The cheapest I found when I looked last summer was MOW-BCN-MOW for about £260. But, add in the cost of a (double entry) Russian visa which doesn't c
30 MEA-707 : count me in too as soon as they are bookable ! Got KLM and Northwest 742s logged but some more flights are always welcome in its twighlight years.
31 413x3 : sounds like another bad business plan, a money laundering scheme and for investors to get back some of the tax money they lose once the airline goes b
32 Post contains links OA260 : Now fully on sale Via the Airlines website . J CLASS £215 PREM Y £145 ECONOMY £135 Oneway BHX 2200 ATH 0300 ATH 1820 BHX 2000 A bit ironic that the
33 Danfearn77 : Hmmm...Not long ago i booked a VS flight LHR-JFK for £265, only £60 quid or thereabouts more expensive, for a TATL flight. Put a smile on your fina
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