Max550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4431 times:
IAD is United's main hub. All the UAX carriers operate different equipment to different regions, so that's why there are so many. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but it's a start.
Um....No! ORD is United's main hub. IAD is UA's gateway to the east (internationally). There really is no strategy behind all of the carriers. It's based on total cost to UA. The carrier that provides the lowest total cost based on cost drivers, including: cash transaction, on-time performance, UP scores, cost of defect, etc.
Dr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 289 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4239 times:
Comparing IAD to NW-DTW, since this is my home town..
NW's hub at DTW only has Mesaba, Pinnacle and Compass.
The DTW hub is significantly larger than IAD, with nearly 500 daily departures
So, I say again, I don't understand why UAX has at least 6 communter airlines, serving only a moderately sized hub. Why not just contract Mesa and Colgan to do there communter service??
Are the economics and markets different in this region? Or is it just a complicated corporate strategy??
AVION826 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4229 times:
ORD is much the same. You have SkyWest, Shuttle America, GoJet, TransStates, Mesa there. SkyWest will be having a much bigger chunk this summer at ORD. Just got the bid packet, 20 more lines for CA/FOs.
Come to think of it, Denver has the same amount of UAX carriers, though SkyWest holds the biggest share by a good margin.
Los Angeles and San Francisco are exclusively SkyWest.
Mjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 392 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
They may have also learned a lesson from the 2001 Comair strike.
Comair was the exclusive, or almost exclusive carrier for Delta out of CVG. The strike handcuffed Delta and forced the cancellation of all regional flights out of there.. With diversification, the strike of one carrier does not kill the airline.
Throw into the the confusion that Air Wisconsin does the ground handling for UAX at IAD and you have a huge number of regional operating at IAD for UA.
DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4032 times:
Quoting AVION826 (Reply 7): ORD is much the same. You have SkyWest, Shuttle America, GoJet, TransStates, Mesa there. SkyWest will be having a much bigger chunk this summer at ORD. Just got the bid packet, 20 more lines for CA/FOs.
DEN also has the same airline mix.
OO is starting 7 new lines of Pro-Rate flying in June with most of it in ORD so 20 more lines of pilots is not a surprise.
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3971 times:
Delta Connection carriers in CVG:
ASA
Chautauqua
Comair
Freedom
Mesaba
Pinnacle
Shuttle America
SkyWest
Its been a common theme to have lots of regional carriers supplying feed out of a hub. This strategy theoretically allows the hub to operate with as little interruption as possible if one particular carrier can not provide service. For example, the ASA maintenance debacle last month, or the Comair strike a few years ago.
SLC seems to be the only DL hub that doesn't have a lot regional carriers to feed it. SkyWest has maintained relative dominance in SLC while the occasional intruders such as ASA, Mesaba, ExpressJet, etc. come and go rather quickly.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4680 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
When UA had all their eggs in the Atlantic Coast (later Independence Air) basket, they got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to replace the loss of ACA United Express flying.
Deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12): When UA had all their eggs in the Atlantic Coast (later Independence Air) basket, they got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to replace the loss of ACA United Express flying.
Maybe UA doesn't want a repeat scenario.
That's a great point. Maybe no one carrier had enough excess capacity to cover all of IAD, so they had to portion it out to mulitple carriers?
Azncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 671 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 11): SkyWest has maintained relative dominance in SLC while the occasional intruders such as ASA, Mesaba, ExpressJet, etc. come and go rather quickly.
Quoting AVION826 (Reply 7): Come to think of it, Denver has the same amount of UAX carriers, though SkyWest holds the biggest share by a good margin.
Los Angeles and San Francisco are exclusively SkyWest.
SkyWest Airlines is simply the best regional in the US. Sure they have their moments but they are best compares to other regional.
Aviationnut12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
You can also add ExpressJet to the list of UAX carriers at IAD. I am scheduled to fly SAV-IAD in June on flight 5687 operated by an ERJ-145. Are they taking over some routes from Mesa, or just supplementing? We were scheduled on a Mesa CRJ at first.
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Tinpusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3107 times:
Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 14): SkyWest Airlines is simply the best regional in the US. Sure they have their moments but they are best compares to other regional.
No! Skywest is simply the largest regional without a union and therefore no legal right to strike!
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DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
Quoting Tinpusher007 (Reply 19): No! Skywest is simply the largest regional without a union and therefore no legal right to strike!
That has nothing to do with it, OO continually scores higher on almost every metric when compared to other regionals regardless if the other has a union or not.
Think if it this way, the employees think that they're being treated fairly well and don't want/need a union so therefore no need to strike either.
Quoting United1 (Reply 17): They are covering for Mesa for a short time, I forget what the issue with Mesa was.
Tinpusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 20): That has nothing to do with it, OO continually scores higher on almost every metric when compared to other regionals regardless if the other has a union or not.
Think if it this way, the employees think that they're being treated fairly well and don't want/need a union so therefore no need to strike either.
They may in fact have better numbers than their counterparts, but if you think the no union/no strike thing has NOTHING to do with it, I'd say your wrong.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21212 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 22): I don't remember UA contracting with ExpressJet in the past , do you remember when it took place?
I want to say late spring/early summer 2007, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe I'm confusing it with the B6 contract when B6 was having 190 teething issues?
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NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23): I want to say late spring/early summer 2007, but I'm not 100% sure. Maybe I'm confusing it with the B6 contract when B6 was having 190 teething issues?
No you are definitely correct. United did contract with ExpressJet in the very recent past. I can't remember when it was either. I'm guessing it was in summer 2007 because Mesa was having severe staffing issues at the time, and ExpressJet was contracted to provide temporary lift to relieve Mesa.
25 United1: Maybe that's where I'm remembering the "Mesa is having issues" from....thanks for the information.
26 DurangoMac: It was for the Spring Break 2007 and if I remember correctly it was because Mesa not being able to handle a short time increase in flying in IAD.
27 Azncsa4qf744er: Summer 2007, based out of IAD. The "union" deal, that's another TOTALLY different issue and thread. Unionized or not, the fact still remain, OO is th
28 DurangoMac: Thank you, that was exactly what I was trying to say and you did it so much better!
29 Goldenshield: Not to nit-pick, but they were conSECUTIVE years. (Although, given the administration, they were also conservative years.) Also, OO has ranked higher
31 Apodino: The whole Eggs in one basket deal aside, I have to agree with the OP, there is absolutely no need for this, and I think it causes more problems than i
32 LAXintl: Search and you would find: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3857247 Spring 2008
33 413x3: IMO the biggest reason is each has their own airplane types. Certain airports use certain types because of weather, geography, etc. It is expensive fo
34 Panova98: Just wondering, given the testimony we're hearing on the Colgan/Continental Express tragedy, and the seeming inability of the legacies to manage their
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