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JAL 744 At LAX Sucking In Baggage Carts  
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4676 posts, RR: 48
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25414 times:

Anybody catch this?

http://www.knx1070.com/Airplane-Grou...Object-Sucked-into-Engine-/4375011

That's gotta suck...


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25423 times:
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Thank you for posting this, i was looking for it. Seems that the "can" belonged to LAN, but I could be wrong. Anyone else have links?


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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25370 times:
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Also If I remember it was sucked into engine #1


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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25349 times:

There's a video on the right side of this web-page:
http://cbs13.com/watercooler/lax.baggage.cart.2.1007281.html


User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25290 times:

Am I the only one who doesn't see the "cart?" Looks like it just sucked the "can" which was probably empty.

Still not a good deal though. Both the cans and the fan blades are pretty expensive!


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25285 times:

Looks like someone will be unemployed after this.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25255 times:

Rule #1 KEEP EVERYTHING OUT OF THE BUFFER ZONE!!!!!!!!! Zero Tolerance at my job for that.


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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2655 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25232 times:
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Yikes! As my little sister would say "somebody is in twouble."
Blue



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 25148 times:

One of my co-workers and friends asked about this today. She asked about people walking in front of the engines after it pulled into the gate. I explained how after the engines are turned off, but may still be spinning, they don't create nearly the amount of suction as they do when they are actually running. I also included the classic DL L-1011 story. And today it seems to have repeated itself.

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 4):
Am I the only one who doesn't see the "cart?" Looks like it just sucked the "can" which was probably empty.

That's the media using incorrect terminology. To be correct, the can was being pulled on a dolly, not a cart.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24992 times:

How much damage was done to the #1 engine? was that "can" sucked in far enough to damage the fan blades? Or will it mainly be damage to the engine cowling area?

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1281 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 24833 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 9):
How much damage was done to the #1 engine? was that "can" sucked in far enough to damage the fan blades? Or will it mainly be damage to the engine cowling area?

Mark in MKE

AFAIK Luckily no damaged fan or the rest of the engine, but it will require a replacement of the engine inlet ring.

Leo



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24745 times:



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 10):
AFAIK Luckily no damaged fan or the rest of the engine, but it will require a replacement of the engine inlet ring.

Leo,

Sounds like a best case scenario.


Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1767 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24709 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8):
I also included the classic DL L-1011 story.

What story is that?



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1281 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24570 times:



Quoting Marcus (Reply 12):
What story is that?

DL L1011 ended up with a container in number 3 in the 90's


Leo  Smile



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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24324 times:



Quoting Aerobalance (Thread starter):
That's gotta suck...

No one else appreciates the pun? I consider it top class.  box 

Indeed, it must suck.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24132 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
Looks like someone will be unemployed after this.

Or (s)he will be promoted to supervisor.  Big grin

Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 8):
That's the media using incorrect terminology. To be correct, the can was being pulled on a dolly, not a cart.

The press cannot handle correctness.  Smile


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24097 times:

hm, "breaking" news, really.... Big grin


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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24103 times:

In the video the reporter said "The J-A-L airliner getting ready to depart ...". I believe it is not common to call the airline 'J-A-L'.

User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4676 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 24076 times:



Quoting Remcor (Reply 14):
I consider it top class.

Thank you

Container, cart, handbags, filler truck, whatever. All things that should not be in any jet engine...



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24009 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 17):

People reporting aren't necessary always briefed on the right pronunciation. And non-aviation buffs aren't going to know the difference between J-A-L and JAL. She probably didn't even know it stood for Japan Airlines, just that the plane was heading to Japan.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineSpeedbrds From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 23030 times:

I'm at LAX right now waiting for my flight to board and when I arrived earlier, I was wondering why there was a JAL 744 parked usually where Qantas parks their aircrafts. Very interesting!

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 22969 times:



Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 18):
Container, cart, handbags, filler truck, whatever. All things that should not be in any jet engine.

Including airplane mechanics

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 22900 times:

Pics in the other thread are good too
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4409820/


User currently offlineQualityDr From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22271 times:



Quoting Bohica (Reply 15):
Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
Looks like someone will be unemployed after this.

Or (s)he will be promoted to supervisor.

Not the same thing??

 cheeky 



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 21821 times:
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At least in the DL incident it was their own can. Since the can belonged to LAN I wonder who will pay for the expenses. Maybe the Ramp Contractors? LAN? JAL?


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25 Post contains images Skoker : Yep it sure did: (picture from FailBlog.org, hence the big "FAIL" on there =/
26 Post contains links Imag : http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...y/0,21985,25467737-5012748,00.html another view of the story...
27 Cloudyapple : Imagine if it was a B777 with a much larger engine diameter. The LD3 would have gone straight in and destroyed the fan blades.
28 Silver1SWA : Why does some know-it-all always have to come in early on in these threads with this kind of comment?! You do not know that, no one knows that includ
29 DocLightning : Yeah, that was a fail. They're lucky it's just the can and inlet ring and not the fan. Does JAL use GE or PW engines? OK, and I'm terribly sorry, but
30 Airbuseric : Amen for that! Indeed! What IF the container was blown from a storage area by strong winds? These LD3 containers are aluminium and weight is between
31 Airbuseric : All JL 744's fly GE.
32 Legacytravel : First of all who said I was a know it all. I spoke my belief that someone should be fired for this. I stand by the comment. If they are not fired the
33 Geo772 : No need as this then highlights that the container should be properly secured. Anyway fortunately these incidents are few and far between, but it sho
34 Smi0006 : I noticed it is a QF branded tug, who else do they provided this service to does anyone know? I know QF are handeled by Hallmark which I beleive they
35 Ha763 : At LAX, there is a service road that runs around all the terminals and is located in between taxiways B/C and D/E. The road crosses across the taxiwa
36 Airbuseric : Of course, if this played a role in the incident, then of course, the container should have been properly secured on a rack or cart. But here in AMS,
37 Post contains links LNv22 : Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK03nnIKfNY
38 Silver1SWA : I based my comment on the nature of that statement which came off more as fact instead of your personal belief. Similar statements pop up in every th
39 Legacytravel : I supposed that I could have worded my statement better. Your questioning was valid. I digress. Mark in MKE
40 Smolt : What the hell! But this is often the case. I too accidentally let the cleaner vacuum up the counterpart of my socks...
41 Airbuseric : On the mentioned youtube video we can see that the aircraft suffering this incident is JA8922.
42 Fxramper : Correct. It's an LD3 or AKE. Have seen the same problem with DL, FX, and KE a/c before. Witnessed ramp crew at NRT incorrectly spin a LD3 on a mated
43 AirNZ : Why aren't we always so quick to correct inaccuracies, grammar and spelling from any of the 'experts' here on a.net as well....and some of those are
44 JAL : Wow! Who would be responsible for the damage to the engine? LAX?
45 L410Turbolet : " target=_blank>http://cbs13.com/watercooler/lax.bag....html Amazing what sort of non-event is considered a "BREAKING NEWS" by the media...
46 Zentraedi : If you expected her to use the most common name for the airline, "Ja-Ru", then you would have had a lot of confused viewers.
47 Hiflyer : First and foremost...whether service road or apron or on the gate no container should be anywhere near a running engine...period....even if the aircra
48 FlyLKU : Shoot, if that had been BA or Cathay they would have continued on to a maintenance base for repairs.
49 Grimey : If thats the case then can the aircraft fly back to Japan or does it have to get repaired in LAX? Grimey
50 Theginge : ???? Not if they were still on the ground as per the JAL, would have done exactly the same and either repaired it or if not flown a 3 engine ferry ba
51 AM744 : Good one Ahh, the good old unwritten rule... "Well, you can't actually do the job, so you'll just watch over the guys that can".
52 Azncsa4qf744er : Will JL ferry in another B744 for those stranded passengers off JL062/11MAY or re-booked them on other airlines? Saw JL B744 sitting over at the Qanta
53 Theginge : I imagine as LAX - Japan is a well served route they will be booked on other airlines, either from LAX direct or via somewhere else rather than sendi
54 FlyLKU : Sorry, it was a joke referring to a couple of incidents where BA and Cathay continued flying a 747 on 3 engines (perfectly legal by the way) to get t
55 Rampart : I've always used "J-A-L". I don't recall speaking with any normal person about flying "Jal to Tokyo", it's more usually J-A-L. Nor did I ever take Tw
56 B747forever : True. Remember when BA flew from LAX to LHR with only 3 engines!
57 Jbernie : Thats not much fun.... now if it had gone into the #2 engine on top then I would have paid to see that, seems like almost anyone can toss one of thos
58 Ua777222 : If I recall correctly, they could have turned back to LAX and been fine but thought it alright to proceed and ended up encountering some strong headw
59 B747forever : Yes they could have turned back to LAX, because the engine stopped to work moments after take off from LAX. Also they had to land at MAN because they
60 SwivelHeadLAX : Apparently after the baggage can ingestion, they were towing the disabled aircraft to have it inspected when the towbar broke. The aircraft then rolle
61 Tradewinds : While I'm a big news fan, the media really needs to can the guy who got the terminology wrong. He was obviously putting the horse before the cart, and
62 Viscount724 : I agree re "Twa", but it is very common, at least in informal airline industry jargon, to refer to Japan Airlines using "Jal", pronounced as a word.
63 Rampart : OK, that's fine. But while most here know that, many outside the industry wouldn't refer to the acronym. It isn't something I'd fault a journalist (o
64 Towcrazy : Isn't there a rule about taxing only on the inside engines?
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