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Delta Airplane Takes Plunge Near Salt Lake Airport  
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20707 times:

"Delta airplane takes plunge near Salt Lake airport."

Plane from LAX to SLC took a pretty intense plunge to get away from another a/c.
More info:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6457833


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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20360 times:

There is a quote from a passenger: "..it plunged..and I left my spirit." Don't quite know exactly to make of that.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6094 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20343 times:

Well, when people ride a roller coaster, they tend to leave their spirits, and whatever else they last drank, on the ground near the exit, so it's not at all implausible.  Wink


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User currently offlineGlasgow From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 20330 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
There is a quote from a passenger: "..it plunged..and I left my spirit." Don't quite know exactly to make of that.

Perhaps they were referring to their vodka  drunk 


User currently onlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20129 times:
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Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
There is a quote from a passenger: "..it plunged..and I left my spirit." Don't quite know exactly to make of that.

I'd guess he thought he was going to die. I can remember when i was in school and i'd get in trouble for something and the teacher was angrily lecturing me, i'd feel like i was standing outside my own body, watching myself get yelled at. Probably the same sort of thing, he felt like he was outside his own body, about to watch his own imminent demise.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20204 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 20035 times:

Do we know what kind of A/C was involved? A 738?

User currently offlineAviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

Just looking at delta.com is has an MD-90 operating flight 1172 with the exception of Tue/Wed when a 738 operates it. If this happened in the last 72 hours I'd say it was an MD-90.

User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19866 times:



Quoting CAL764 (Reply 1):
There is a quote from a passenger: "..it plunged..and I left my spirit." Don't quite know exactly to make of that.

Well, on the bright side, it seems that she was happily reunited with her briefly wandering spirit a short time later. Wink



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19667 times:

So the reporter, Miss Gonzales said "we spoke to the FAA about a near miss at SLC involving delta flight ###, and the FAA did not receive a report from ATC or Delta".... well I guess they have to report it now.

GOD BLESS THE MEDIA


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8602 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19625 times:
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I loved this bit in the article

" the couple , who asked us not to identify them ...." just above the photo of the couple in question .


So they did not want to be identified , but were happy to supply a photo ???



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19599 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
So they did not want to be identified , but were happy to supply a photo ???

Their names will given at a later time, by their lawyers when they sue Delta for emotional distress. They're going to ask for $3 million, but "its not about the money, its about getting answers".... I think I've seen this movie before


User currently offlineDr.DTW From United States of America, joined May 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19542 times:

How ridiculous.

Big deal.

What happened to competent journalism.

No comment from Delta
No comment from ATC
No comment from FAA
No comment from any other passenger or crew

This is what it takes these days? Complain to a news station that your plane took a "plunge" and you get your 15 minutes of fame??

They were probably just side-stepping or doing an "S" turn on final, and he probably just misunderstood what the Captain said.....

I wouldn't be surprise if they try to sue DAL over this....


User currently offlineSLCguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18231 times:

Just speculating but would guess it was probably more of scenario like this(completely made up but probably not far off):
ATC: Delta 1172, traffic 11 o'clock 3 miles, at 9000. expedite descent to 7000
DAL 1172: Roger, 7000, we'll hurry on down
Then pilot makes an intercom anouncement to the cabin saying they increased their descent rate due to conflicting traffic.
Couple: Oh boy we can be on the news!

And where did a small plane come into all of this except from the reporter?


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 18067 times:

If you read the article it says the pilots of 1172 said that they had to change course because another aircraft was not doing so as instructed by ATC.
I'm not sure there is anything "distressing" about having to make an evasive maneuver to avoid a disaster. Distressing would be notifying families that there had been a midair collision.
The seat belt sign was on - and it seems apparent why airlines do so and want passengers seated and the cabin secured so far in advance of landing.
Also, the comment "no comment" was not used... it simply said the data and reports were not complete. The media published the story ONE DAY after it occurred.


User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17760 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
evasive maneuver

Until you are well above 30 degs angle of bank, or going weightless in your seat from an intense pitch-down of the nose, I would hardly call it evasive.

Me thinks someone is just trying to get their 15 mins of "fame"



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17714 times:



Quoting Dr.DTW (Reply 11):
What happened to competent journalism



Quoting Dr.DTW (Reply 11):
This is what it takes these days?

A plane packed with passengers has to hit the ground at a high rate of speed to make the news. This sells newspapers and gets people to be glued to CNN or that miserable MSNBC.
Diving airplanes does not cut it for in dept 'solid' reporting.
safe  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15501 times:



Quoting SLCguy (Reply 12):

And where did a small plane come into all of this except from the reporter?

Well as someone who is undergoing flight training in SLC, there is plenty of general aviation aircraft flying either the barn transition or the I-80 transition in/out of SLC. I've seen plenty of times how this has interfered with incoming commercial traffic. I myself have been involved in unusual traffic occurrences. Although seeing as this "incident happened "10 minutes before landing", I don't think the Delta flight was that low.

But I agree that it is newsworthy if the plane did descend at a very unusual rate. We don't need planes crashing to make news.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

Well, from FlightAware, the only thing I can spot is that between 10:22 - 10:23 AM is the altitude dropped from FL290 to FL249, or a 4100 fpm decent. That is pretty significant IMHO.

[Edited 2009-05-12 08:15:37]

User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15313 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 16):
But I agree that it is newsworthy if the plane did descend at a very unusual rate. We don't need planes crashing to make news.

do you really think every TCAS alert in this world should make the news? It's kind of a non-event, isn't it? All the media is doing here is feeding and exploiting the underlying fear of flying many people have.... "oh boy, we almost died, we were on a flight that had a TCAS alert!" - but why am I not actually expecting anything better from KSL....?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3040 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15164 times:



Quoting Golftango (Reply 17):
Well, from FlightAware, the only thing I can spot is that between 10:22 - 10:23 AM is the altitude dropped from FL290 to FL249, or a 4100 fpm decent. That is pretty significant IMHO.

There is nothing "pretty significant" or unusual in such a rate of descent, or are you alluding to something I'm missing ?

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User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15072 times:



Quoting Golftango (Reply 17):

That is not significant at all

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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14737 times:



Quoting Golftango (Reply 17):
Well, from FlightAware, the only thing I can spot is that between 10:22 - 10:23 AM is the altitude dropped from FL290 to FL249, or a 4100 fpm decent. That is pretty significant IMHO.

Yes, it is significant : it just goes to proove that the couple WAS looking for their 5 minutes of fame. Not even 15.



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User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14222 times:

if passenger(s) felt endangered they have a right to complain, and if some local media outlet wants to pick this up they have a right to do that. this happens all the time, no need to complain about "incompetent media" or "stupid pax". what would this couple gain by getting their "15 minutes of fame"? they just rightfully want to know what happened and why, obviously interested parties like FAA or DL might not want every detail out in the white, so they turned to some bored journalists instead.

User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13423 times:

It's just an RA...The pax should be glad that the pilot followed the RA. Additionally, just because the plane suddenly descended doesn't mean they were in danger. The pax aren't listening to ATC or watching the instruments...which would be the only way to really know if they were truly "in danger."

I think the media is just hard up for news...



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13186 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 19):
There is nothing "pretty significant" or unusual in such a rate of descent, or are you alluding to something I'm missing ?



Quoting Rscaife1682 (Reply 20):
That is not significant at all

It is when the average rod is 1000 fpm, then you get 4100 fpm, then it goes back to 1000 fpm. You're going to feel that.


25 Arrow : You have no clue about how these stories are developed. They get a call from passengers who have very specific recollections -- including a comment f
26 Blueshamu330s : Ok, I won't make similarly wild and inaccurate assumptions about healthcare if you stop doing the same about commercial aircraft performance, ok. Rgd
27 Golftango : Blueshamu330, you don't know my background, or what I do for a living, nor do I know yours. So I'm not sure I'm following you? Appears you're being s
28 Mdw22l31c : Is this a Normal Decent? 10:33AM 40.37 -111.95 287 10000 Salt Lake Center 10:34AM 40.44 -111.93 276 9900 Salt Lake Center 10:35AM 40.52 -111.94 270 95
29 Post contains links MastaHanky : To show you the awesome investigation that was done on this event, the Salt Lake Tribune is reporting that the Delta plane had to suddenly CLIMB to av
30 Haggis79 : well what should they tell the media.... this might well have been a non-event which even doesn't require reporting... so what should the PR departme
31 Micstatic : doesn't seem like a big deal. Correct me if I'm wrong but I show it as 916fpm
32 BMI727 : Well, the safety equipment did its job so there is no story, just don't tell the media that. I guess by that standard it should also be reported when
33 Fanoftristars : Somebody on Flyertalk was on the flight and also said the plane climbed to avoid the traffic, but it wasn't really that big of a deal. It's 5 min of
34 Fanoftristars : OK, now KSL is saying that ATC told the Delta flight to turn to avoid the plane, only missing the GA aircraft by 500 feet. That's quite a different st
35 Post contains links Haggis79 : KSL is making much ado about nothing.... "Fergus said at their closest point, the two aircraft were 500 feet apart vertically and 1.35 miles apart ho
36 Phelpsie87 : "At no time was the aircraft, passengers or crew in imminent danger," move on Salt Lake news... Perhaps I should get my 15 mins of fame by telling the
37 Fanoftristars : Cue the file footage of a cessna on final approach, cue the picture of some random control tower, cue the shot of the FAA logo and then show the inte
38 P3Orion : That's standard seperation between an IFR aircraft and a VFR aircraft.
39 Scramjetter : To quote a great movie: "Come on, Mav, do some of that pilot sh*t!"
40 Post contains links Mayor : The latest says 500 feet vertically and 3/4 of a mile horizontally. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6471008
41 DocLightning : Only if your soul left your body.
42 Aeroflot777 : Again, as someone who flies general aviation a/c here, that is a very big deal... SLC approach/departure transitions are awesome, but cross paths wit
43 Mayor : Makes me wonder which airport, Bountiful Skypark or SLC #2, the offending GA a/c was flying out of (or into)? It could have been out of or into SLC In
44 Phelpsie87 : Are you kidding?? I still haven't found it! Now I am seriously thinking of writing a letter to APA asking them to keep an eye out.
45 Rikkus67 : ...shouldn't that be "MISERABLE CNN & EQUALLY MISERABLE MSNBC"? That would be a fairer quote. Tabloid Journalism is alive and well in the U.S. of A.
46 Arcrftlvr : So call DL. Write a letter to DL. But, going to the media further demonstrates these idiots desire for attention and their 15 mins...And why is it th
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