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Delta Abandons BWI-BOS Route  
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

According too http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/blog.aspx?csp=Travel Delta will soon stop flying non-stop from BWI-BOS. My question is what is Usairways going to do since Southwest is going to also fly to LGA? I know Usairways no longer flies to Boston from BWI, but they have to be very worried about their shuttle flights from DCA. Usairways has a history of running from Southwest.


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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

I don't think WN is focused on either Shuttle operation,

User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

I do not think WN flying from BWI to BOS/LGA will effect US shuttle ops out of DCA

RYAN
FLTOPS


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4009 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 1):
I don't think WN is focused on either Shuttle operation

Last time I was on the Metro in DC I believe I remember seeing some ads for Southwest's new flights to BOS and LGA..

Quoting Rscaife1682 (Reply 2):
I do not think WN flying from BWI to BOS/LGA will effect US shuttle ops out of DCA

You might be right, but I think Usairways better be ready in case some of their regular customers start to leave them to fly on Southwest.



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User currently offlinePanther From Bahamas, joined Jun 2000, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

AirTran has about 7 flights a day on the BWI-BOS route.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3960 times:



Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 3):
You might be right, but I think Usairways better be ready in case some of their regular customers start to leave them to fly on Southwest.

I wonder how many shuttle passengers are going to Virginia or the District itself. I can't imagine that any flight to BWI will be too convenient for those folks. For those going to Maryland, it's obviously a different story (though some of them may have moved over to FL already).



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4487 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Unless DL has contracts for some of its BWI-BOS flying, there's no reason for them to continue it against a major LCC onslaught. They aren't feeding anything on either end, and it's probably not a big enough value-added route for what is now a medium-sized focus operation at BOS to operate at a loss. If the yields aren't there on O & D to cover a regional-jet CASM, there's no reason for them to continue.

WN will run 3x daily on LGA-BWI for starters, which isn't much for US to worry about at DCA. Unless WN figures out a way to get a lot more LGA slots, there's little likelihood of their LGA-BWI run--which will probably wind up feeding a lot of connecting pax to other BWI routes--having any noteworthy effect on DCA shuttles. And BWI is also likely too far from downtown DC to appeal to the shuttle market. At IAD, where WN has comparatively few flights, service to BOS would probably also affect DCA little for the same reason.

No doubt Southwest would *love* to get into DCA, as JetBlue is known to want. But big slot holders at DCA are unlikely to sublease any to a major yield-destroying competitor. (Are ATA's few DCA slots already accounted for? I thought they were, anyone please correct me if wrong.)

Now if Congress decided that DCA, which could easily handle far more movements than it does, needed more competition due to the industry evolving, thumbed their noses at MWAA and added say 30 slots, that would be interesting. Otherwise, WN's effect on DCA is limited to indirect influence via the other DC-area airports, and will probably remain small.

Jim


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4643 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3824 times:



Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 3):
Last time I was on the Metro in DC I believe I remember seeing some ads for Southwest's new flights to BOS and LGA..

Yess they will serve BOS and LGA...but there will be no flights from BOS TO LGA, so US will not be concerned.



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User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3814 times:



Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
I wonder how many shuttle passengers are going to Virginia or the District itself. I can't imagine that any flight to BWI will be too convenient for those folks. For those going to Maryland, it's obviously a different story (though some of them may have moved over to FL already).

I think the problem for Usairways is they have lost so much money over the years that they can't afford to lose those Maryland passengers. Plus, even though BWI is over 20 miles from Washington, and over 30 miles from Virginia, Usairways has a history of running from Southwest. I still think they have to come up with a plan. Too bad Usairways took out those over head screens or they could show CNN, FOX news, MNBC or CNBC on those routes.



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5283 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 3):
You might be right, but I think Usairways better be ready in case some of their regular customers start to leave them to fly on Southwest.

Fare hounds were already, especially at peak hours, flying out of BWI because it's cheaper.

Very few people who are willing to pay extra for DCA will stop just because the BWI alternative is WN instead of FL.

For me, WN doesn't change the fact that I can get to DCA with one ten-minute train ride, while BWI takes a 30-minute train ride and a 30-minute bus ride.

[Edited 2009-05-12 11:13:58]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3742 times:



Quoting Jeffrey1970 (Reply 8):
I think the problem for Usairways is they have lost so much money over the years that they can't afford to lose those Maryland passengers.

I can't believe there are that many of them. While the frequency to DCA is better, BWI is far more convenient, and FL and US offer decent frequency already.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

I can't imagine anyone is at all surprised by this decision. I think that once it all settles, there will be only 2 of the 3 remaining carriers in this market. WN and either FL or B6 will be left. I think WN has the network beyond BWI to stay in the market long term. This will show us how much FL values the BWI hub and even a little about BOS in general since BOS-BWI sees quite a bit of FL capacity.

B6 has clearly shown how much they value BOS simply by entering this market pair.

I hope that FL sees this as an opportunity to enter the PVD-ATL market and spreads their presence in New England. I think that 2-3 717s versus DL on the PVD-ATL is a safer battle than BOS-BWI versus B6 AND WN. FL can also spur some low fare demand on connecting markets from PVD to PNS, MIA, SRQ, MEM, DFW, CHS, and CUN.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3630 times:

This was already covered in the schedule change thread last week.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4406139/


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 3172 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 12):
This was already covered in the schedule change thread last week.

I apologize since I did not realize that.



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 11):
I can't imagine anyone is at all surprised by this decision. I think that once it all settles, there will be only 2 of the 3 remaining carriers in this market. WN and either FL or B6 will be left.

B6 yesterday annouced that they will start BOS-BWI in September. So it looks like it will be WN, FL, and B6 on that route.


User currently offlineRscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2659 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
B6 yesterday annouced that they will start BOS-BWI in September. So it looks like it will be WN, FL, and B6 on that route.

Who is going to be doing the ramp

RYAN
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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2416 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
So it looks like it will be WN, FL, and B6 on that route.

Does AA still fly this route?



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User currently offlineRafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2284 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 16):
Does AA still fly this route?

No, I think they quite the route near the tail end of 2006.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2147 times:



Quoting Rafflesking (Reply 17):
No, I think they quite the route near the tail end of 2006.

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It was 5 daily at the beginning of 2006. It went to 3 daily in the October-November timeframe and was cut altogether in December.



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting DCA-ROCguy" class=quote target=_blank>DCA-ROCguy (Reply 6):
Now if Congress decided that DCA, which could easily handle far more movements than it does, needed more competition due to the industry evolving, thumbed their noses at MWAA and added say 30 slots, that would be interesting. Otherwise, WN's effect on DCA is limited to indirect influence via the other DC-area airports, and will probably remain small.

If DCA were hugely opened up it could become just like PHL, EWR and LGA - a congested nightmare. Part of why DCA is the nicest airport on the east coast IMHO is that is is in fact controlled. Plus, there is the problem of ground space. It is already a game of not much ground space for managing taxing airplanes and it could get a lot worse if they really opened it up.

Some of the LGA delays are due to the fact that there are 30 airplanes in line for T/O and no more space on the ground for them.

Opening up DCA would likely turn it into a nightmare.

At least that's how I see it as a regular DCA pilot.



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