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Airbus To Deliver "upto 300 A/C" In 2009  
User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Just came across this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8045572.stm

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The group now plans to deliver "up to 300" Airbus aircraft in 2009, down from its earlier forecast of 300-400 orders.

But it seems mixed messages are being sent out. (or is it just poor reporting)

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...gle-aisle-output-could-revive.html

The full EADS 1st Quarter report:

http://www.eads.net/1024/en/pressdb/pressdb/20090512_eads_q1.html

[Edited 2009-05-12 09:49:12]

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User currently offlineTISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 327 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3303 times:
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That is a pretty big drop from the 385 - 400 (correct me if I am wrong) figure they had proposed recently. Now, could this be "delivered to customers" or manufactured? If this represents the number of planes they will now produce, I am confused. I thought Airbus recently stated it would not slow production until next year...I guess things have changed. Sad, really.

I wonder what aircraft are most affected...



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Actually, Leahy said his target is up to 300 ***ORDERS*** in 2009.

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 2):
Actually, Leahy said his target is up to 300 ***ORDERS*** in 2009.

Actually Leahy said if you are going to bet "put your money on 300 orders or less" if we want to nit pick :P Too lazy to find the direct quote but that above terminology is pretty much his exact words from memory.



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User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 352 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Deliveries or orders?
The article is talking about Orders, even your quote said "forecast of 300-400 orders."

And last week we could read: Airbus changes A380 delivery schedule for 2009/2010

Quote:

Furthermore, Airbus also confirms its plan to deliver in 2009 about the same number of aircraft as in 2008, which was a record year for the company (483 aircraft).

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
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Quoting TISTPAA727 (Reply 1):
That is a pretty big drop from the 385 - 400 (correct me if I am wrong) figure they had proposed recently

The flightglobal article says narrowbody production will drop from 36 per month to 34 per month in October, but could well be back up to 40 per month by end 2010/early 2011

Maths wasn't my major, but.....

Quoting Bigsmile (Thread starter):
or is it just poor reporting

From the BBC...

Quote:
The group now plans to deliver "up to 300" Airbus aircraft in 2009, down from its earlier forecast of 300-400 orders.

Think this safely falls under the "bad reporting" category...  Smile

Rgds


User currently offlineTitus95 From France, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3109 times:
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This thread is ONLY a confusion.

Read in many French newspapers and French link , what we are talking about is ORDERS , not DELIVERIES !

Boeing could suffer the same way Airbus will this year with less orders than expected...................but if Ryanair signs their order this year , Boeing will be back as number 1.


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

If Airbus expect to get 300 orders then they must have quite a few of them in the bag already waiting to be announced at the Paris airshow.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting Titus95 (Reply 6):
but if Ryanair signs their order this year , Boeing will be back as number 1.

What would Boeing do without Ryanair and JAL?

Up to 300 deliveries this year sounds rather a lot to me, especially in the face of the rather deep global recession.

Quoting KennyK (Reply 7):
If Airbus expect to get 300 orders then they must have quite a few of them in the bag already waiting to be announced at the Paris airshow.

They seem to save up everything for Paris.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2838 times:



Quoting Titus95 (Reply 6):
This thread is ONLY a confusion.

Read in many French newspapers and French link , what we are talking about is ORDERS , not DELIVERIES !

Boeing could suffer the same way Airbus will this year with less orders than expected...................but if Ryanair signs their order this year , Boeing will be back as number 1.

and it's worth remembering at the moment B is in negative net for the year, A has just crept positive and BOMBARDIER is the number seller of passenger jets. Shows what a nonsense figures can be sometimes!


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12503 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 8):
Up to 300 deliveries this year sounds rather a lot to me, especially in the face of the rather deep global recession.

Maybe, but they've already delivered 162 through April (Boeing almost exactly the same number). Given that, 140 in the remaining 8 months of 2009 wouldn't seem to be much of a challenge.

If anything, it would be difficult to slow down from 40/month to less then 20/month.  Wow!



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User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2806 times:
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I'm sure there are lots of orders for Paris. I mean wouldn't airlines with older aircraft would want to get new aircraft that are more fuel efficent. I'm hoping to see some orders for the C-Series, and the 748i.

Cheers;



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

If the current economic climate doesn't change to the better very fast, then "up to 300 orders" seems extremely optimistic. I think that both A and B should be very happy if they can end 2009 with net zero orders and cancelations.

That alone shouldn't change production and delivery rate much since both have orders which cannot be fully delivered until 2013/2014.

Much more important are the deferrals. Planned deliveries for 2009/2010 which have been or will be deferred to maybe 2014/2015. That could play havoc with the production rate.

Not only is there an over-capacity in most current fleets. There are also few airlines which are in a financial situation for fleet renewal.

And even a financially healthy airline, which has a fleet renewal plan with a clearly positive bottom line, may have severe difficulty having it financed on acceptable terms. Also leasing companies will have difficulties expanding their business. They also have little incentive to expand since leasing rates are under heavy pressure.

In addition, many airlines which years ago ordered planes for delivery in 2009/2010, they made that decision based on expected resale price of their old planes. Since then second hand prices have slumped dramatically making financing of new planes even more difficult, while keeping their old planes has become economically more attractive.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6892 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2753 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 7):
If Airbus expect to get 300 orders then they must have quite a few of them in the bag already waiting to be announced at the Paris airshow.

Just firming up the pending orders announced in 2008 would take them (almost) up to 100. EK alone have 60 waiting to be firmed. See you in Paris?  Wink


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2735 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 12):
If the current economic climate doesn't change to the better very fast, then "up to 300 orders" seems extremely optimistic. I think that both A and B should be very happy if they can end 2009 with net zero orders and cancelations.

Excellent point, breaking even in terms of orders is likely goal number one.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12503 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2568 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 13):
EK alone have 60 waiting to be firmed. See you in Paris?

If EK do firm that commitment this year, I'd expect it to be done in November at the Dubai Air Show rather than in Paris.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Luckily, many econony indicators just are switching to positive currently as surprisingly fast as they fell half a year ago, at least in the Euro Zone the thunderstorm could be over. So up to 300 orders ( could also mean 200 ) are possible.

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