TISTPAA727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 328 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3321 times:
That is a pretty big drop from the 385 - 400 (correct me if I am wrong) figure they had proposed recently. Now, could this be "delivered to customers" or manufactured? If this represents the number of planes they will now produce, I am confused. I thought Airbus recently stated it would not slow production until next year...I guess things have changed. Sad, really.
Osiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3246 times:
Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 2): Actually, Leahy said his target is up to 300 ***ORDERS*** in 2009.
Actually Leahy said if you are going to bet "put your money on 300 orders or less" if we want to nit pick :P Too lazy to find the direct quote but that above terminology is pretty much his exact words from memory.
I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
Read in many French newspapers and French link , what we are talking about is ORDERS , not DELIVERIES !
Boeing could suffer the same way Airbus will this year with less orders than expected...................but if Ryanair signs their order this year , Boeing will be back as number 1.
and it's worth remembering at the moment B is in negative net for the year, A has just crept positive and BOMBARDIER is the number seller of passenger jets. Shows what a nonsense figures can be sometimes!
AirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
I'm sure there are lots of orders for Paris. I mean wouldn't airlines with older aircraft would want to get new aircraft that are more fuel efficent. I'm hoping to see some orders for the C-Series, and the 748i.
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
If the current economic climate doesn't change to the better very fast, then "up to 300 orders" seems extremely optimistic. I think that both A and B should be very happy if they can end 2009 with net zero orders and cancelations.
That alone shouldn't change production and delivery rate much since both have orders which cannot be fully delivered until 2013/2014.
Much more important are the deferrals. Planned deliveries for 2009/2010 which have been or will be deferred to maybe 2014/2015. That could play havoc with the production rate.
Not only is there an over-capacity in most current fleets. There are also few airlines which are in a financial situation for fleet renewal.
And even a financially healthy airline, which has a fleet renewal plan with a clearly positive bottom line, may have severe difficulty having it financed on acceptable terms. Also leasing companies will have difficulties expanding their business. They also have little incentive to expand since leasing rates are under heavy pressure.
In addition, many airlines which years ago ordered planes for delivery in 2009/2010, they made that decision based on expected resale price of their old planes. Since then second hand prices have slumped dramatically making financing of new planes even more difficult, while keeping their old planes has become economically more attractive.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
Silentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2753 times:
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 12): If the current economic climate doesn't change to the better very fast, then "up to 300 orders" seems extremely optimistic. I think that both A and B should be very happy if they can end 2009 with net zero orders and cancelations.
Excellent point, breaking even in terms of orders is likely goal number one.
Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2466 times:
Luckily, many econony indicators just are switching to positive currently as surprisingly fast as they fell half a year ago, at least in the Euro Zone the thunderstorm could be over. So up to 300 orders ( could also mean 200 ) are possible.