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User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

After DL and NW merged togerther, do DL crews take DL planes, and NW crews operate NW planes? For example, ATL-NRT route is now served by DL subsidiary NW's 744s. Does it mean that DL crews don't fly to NRT from ATL since DL 772s don't offer it anymore? (I just heard that DL is dropping 772 service to NRT and going to keep 744 daily service.)

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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Yes.

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

Yup. If it's a legacy NW plane, it's operated by legacy NW crews. Legacy DL plane, legacy DL crews. I recently did ATL-FCO-ATL on an A330, marketed as DL820/DL821, operated by NW. Everything but the announcements and the paint job was NW (crews, service, etc.).

User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Also DL still flies to NRT. It's not daily anymore, since the NW 747 has taken that over, but a few times a week there is a second daily ATL/NRT operated by DL's 777s. I believe it runs 4 times weekly.

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6367 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 3):
Also DL still flies to NRT. It's not daily anymore, since the NW 747 has taken that over, but a few times a week there is a second daily ATL/NRT operated by DL's 777s. I believe it runs 4 times weekly.

I believe that the PDX (or was it SEA)-NRT flight is now a DL 767 as well.


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6351 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 3):
Also DL still flies to NRT. It's not daily anymore, since the NW 747 has taken that over, but a few times a week there is a second daily ATL/NRT operated by DL's 777s. I believe it runs 4 times weekly.

And DL metal will be flying the JFK-NRT route shortly.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6340 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 3):
Also DL still flies to NRT. It's not daily anymore, since the NW 747 has taken that over, but a few times a week there is a second daily ATL/NRT operated by DL's 777s. I believe it runs 4 times weekly.

The DL service will be discontinued in September, however. But Delta is operating from Portland.



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

All operated by pre-merger Delta a/c and Crew:
Lets see...
.DTW-LHR
PDX-NRT
PDX-AMS june 1
NRT-GUM june 2
PIT-CDG
EWR-AMS june 1
JFK-NRT june 1
AMS-BOM june 1
MSP-CDG

Following operated by pre-merger NW crew and A/C:
JFK-FCO
ATL-AMS june 1
ATL-NRT
ATL-HNL
ATL-LGW
ATL-FCO


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2554 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Ops will be like this until the single ops cert. After that I think they can start bidding across. There won't be a lot of crews swapping around at first I would bet. I think there are also some fence's that come into play.

User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6063 times:
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A couple corrections to the above list...

PDX-NRT doesn't switch until June
PIT-CDG is a pure Delta route, not a NW coded route, and starts in June

Otherwise the list looks correct.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5886 times:



Quoting Timf (Reply 9):
A couple corrections to the above list...

PDX-NRT doesn't switch until June
PIT-CDG is a pure Delta route, not a NW coded route, and starts in June

Otherwise the list looks correct.

Thanks Edit wouldn't work for me..
also need to add SEA-OGG for pre-merger Delta a/c and crew June 1 I believe


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5705 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 10):
Thanks Edit wouldn't work for me..
also need to add SEA-OGG for pre-merger Delta a/c and crew June 1 I believe

That flight is already operating.


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

I experienced one slight hiccup in the DL/NW merger process. No big deal and I took it in stride. Two weeks ago I flew ACV-SLC-MSP-MCI and MCI-SLC-ACV on the way back. All flights were on Skywest, Mesaba and Comair aircraft, none were mainline. I expected the SLC-MSP hub to hub flights would be on mainline aircraft but it looks like many of the flights are on Mesaba CRJ-900's.

When I went to check in online using the DL website, I was only able to print boarding passes for as far as MSP. I couldn't print the MSP-MCI boarding pass. I tried using the NW website and that didn't work. I tried sending an e-mail to the DL website but couldn't find an address specific to online check in issues. So I sent an e-mail to the general address and didn't get a response until a day after I flew to KC. It was obvious that the responder didn't read what I wrote because I got a boilerplate response that had nothing to do with my issue. I called DL and asked why I couldn't print my MSP-MCI boarding pass and the agent didn't really give me much of an answer. So I called again and the second agent said that since it was NW, I couldn't print my boarding pass online using the DL website and I could only request a specific seat but it was not guaranteed. That was kind of weird when the SLC-MSP was on a NW painted aircraft.

When I got to ACV I was able to reprint all the boarding passes including the last segment with the assistance of an OO agent. I chose a window seat when I bought the ticket online but I found out I was reassigned to an aisle when I printed the boarding pass. Upon request the gate agent at MSP reassigned me to 2D so I had a window and was one of the first off the plane in MCI which was a Comair CRJ-100 in DL colors. The SLC-MSP was a CRJ-900 in NW colors. First time on a 900. Nice plane and the windows were better for looking out of.

On the whole I was impressed with both airlines as they continue to combine. All the employees I was in contact with were professional and it seems like most employees feel like they are working for one carrier. Nice to see no bad blood between employees compared to other airline mergers in the past. DL is my new air carrier of choice when flying east out of ACV.



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User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

I flew NW1498 and NW321 ATL-MSP-LAX last night. A330 and B752, both NW legacy metal and crew but in new Delta colors (both A/C and crew).

Seats on the A330 were blue leather. Service was still very much NW. No computerized gate info display showing upgrades, etc. Upgrades were simply called out by gate agents who didn't seem to know how the whole process worked. Pepsi to drink (out of ATL?!), absolutely no IFE despite the PTVs. In fact the PTVs were activated at 10,000 feet and I began to browse the menu which was still using the NW GUI interface, but with Delta logos, etc. I got maybe 3 minutes into Slumdog Millionaire before the purser abruptly killed the entire IFE system. Apparently NW does not even allow one to watch any TV, movie, play games, or listen to any music during domestic flights despite the A/C's IFE capability.

It was like sitting in church...that would not have occurred on a DL flight.

757-200 service from MSP to LAX was nothing to write home about. I got upgraded to First. Seats were still NW and were old and dirty. No IFE. Service was a Heineken on the ground and a glass of water in flight- no snacks. But I slept the entire 3 hours to LA after our 10pm departure.

So, that's a look into the current ops offering of NW as it becomes DL. I'd stick with DL legacy flights for now, esp. for domestic travel.



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4787 times:



Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 13):
757-200 service from MSP to LAX was nothing to write home about. I got upgraded to First. Seats were still NW and were old and dirty. No IFE. Service was a Heineken on the ground and a glass of water in flight- no snacks.

That is strange. I have flown F from MSP to LAX, and had a hot meal on outbound and return flights.

The seats...well...after an intercontinental flight, I tend not to care, and even then, have a few more Heinekens, and the seats get better and better. I always thought all of the NW F seats were all pretty much the same on each a/c.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4758 times:



Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 13):
In fact the PTVs were activated at 10,000 feet and I began to browse the menu which was still using the NW GUI interface, but with Delta logos, etc. I got maybe 3 minutes into Slumdog Millionaire before the purser abruptly killed the entire IFE system. Apparently NW does not even allow one to watch any TV, movie, play games, or listen to any music during domestic flights despite the A/C's IFE capability.

Can anyone confirm if that's a NW company policy? Off hand it seems pretty strange.


User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

So, a couple of actual questions based on this...

I'm booked on NW 798/799 (the JFK-NRT 777 roundtrip operated by DL metal). My ticket is a NW ticket, but since it's operated by DL, with whom do I check in? DL (@ T-3)...or NW (@ T-4)? Not that it's a biggie, but at JFK where the two operate from different terminals, it would be nice to know where to check in...

I'm also booked on the A330 flying NRT-BKK and back (as NW 25/26)...is the IFE basically the DL-on-demand system, even though it might have the old NW interface? Will this aircraft have the iPod jack that the DL 777s do?

just wondering.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4564 times:



Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 13):
Apparently NW does not even allow one to watch any TV, movie, play games, or listen to any music during domestic flights despite the A/C's IFE capability.

That's been the way at NW for some time. Just because it has IFE doesn't mean it will be used. It's that way for the 757-300 as well. If you fly it from Hawaii to the mainland you will get a movie, but if you continue on overland to a hub you'll get nothing. It doesn't surprise me that they shut the IFE off for a short flight such as ATL/MSP, but it's still pathetic. Service is lacking at NW, so eventually the merger will bring in a better product.

Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 13):
757-200 service from MSP to LAX was nothing to write home about. I got upgraded to First. Seats were still NW and were old and dirty. No IFE. Service was a Heineken on the ground and a glass of water in flight- no snacks. But I slept the entire 3 hours to LA after our 10pm departure.

The late timing of that flight is the likely reason why there wasn't any extraordinary service in first. DL is the same way is this regard.


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4499 times:



Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):

I'm also booked on the A330 flying NRT-BKK and back (as NW 25/26)...is the IFE basically the DL-on-demand system, even though it might have the old NW interface? Will this aircraft have the iPod jack that the DL 777s do?

No, it's the same NW system you've seen before. Nothing like DL-on-Demand. No Ipod jack.

One reason that they might have killed the IFE is because of licensing agreements the airline may have to pay to the film studios to show the movie. I'm not privy to whatever goes on behind the scenes in that regard, but you cannot just show a first-run movie to a public audience and make money on it without the studio getting some kind of royalty fee for each viewer. It may be that there is no system in place to charge pax for a film on a domestic flight, like on DL-on-Demand.

Can anyone elaborate on this? If this is the case, then NW needs to figure this IFE thing out.



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User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Myself and my wife are flying from DTW to YVR non-stop on the out bound on NW. The return is YVR/SLC/DTW. I could get seat assignments for the latter part of my trip on DL. But for the on NW flight I had to go on line to get assigned seats. But, when will this all change?

Chuck


User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2392 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
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What if I get a 767 or 777 service from DTW/MSP: do they have 767 or 777 based there ? If so will that be ex-DL crews relocated there ?

Same question applies about the 330 fleet in ATL...?


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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4328 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 20):
What if I get a 767 or 777 service from DTW/MSP: do they have 767 or 777 based there ? If so will that be ex-DL crews relocated there ?

Same question applies about the 330 fleet in ATL...?

No, there wont be a A330 domicile in ATL anytime soon - those trips are built from their normal domicile, with a deadhead in the day prior of the transoceanic segment.

Lets say the B767 MSPCDG crew comes from ATL, their trips are built to deadhead in the day prior of the operation, so they can get legal rest. Now, they might deviate from the scheduled deadhead, and just get to MSP on their own, and just magically appear in Operations at check-in time - or they could already live in MSP. For the trip back to the states - same deal, crew clears customs in MSP, and heads to the hotel for a layover then back to their domicile tomorrow - crewmember requests to deviate from the scheduled deadhead and is on the way home a short time after clearing customs.

We did that all the time at UA. For example, ORD wasnt an international domicile for the B767 (1999-2000 time frame), so that is how our trips were built, and how they were actually managed. Usually JFK or IAD crews would DH (or deviate in), and magically appear in Ops at show time.

Another thing they could do is operate the MSPCDG on a "W" pattern, where the crew originates in ATL, flies ATLCDG, then CDGMSP, back to CDG, then back to ATL. We did W patterns all the time at UA.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
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Quoting EMB170 (Reply 16):
I'm booked on NW 798/799 (the JFK-NRT 777 roundtrip operated by DL metal). My ticket is a NW ticket, but since it's operated by DL, with whom do I check in? DL (@ T-3)...or NW (@ T-4)?

For JFK-NRT, you should check in at T4; the 777 will be leaving from a T4 gate. Currently, the signage at JFK on the way in to the airport already says:

Delta (Africa Departures)
Delta (London Departures)
Delta (Los Angeles Departures)
Delta (Tokyo Departures)

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 20):
What if I get a 767 or 777 service from DTW/MSP: do they have 767 or 777 based there ?

No, the planes and crews will be pre-merger Delta. An example is DTW-LHR on the 767; it is being crewed by Delta's NYC base as part of a rotation that goes JFK-LHR-DTW-LHR-JFK; same with the aircraft.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 17):
If you fly it from Hawaii to the mainland you will get a movie, but if you continue on overland to a hub you'll get nothing.

I used to work in PDX, and when the HNL-PDX flight would arrive, one of the things I used to have to do was remove all of the tapes before it continued on to MSP.

Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 18):
One reason that they might have killed the IFE is because of licensing agreements the airline may have to pay to the film studios to show the movie.

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User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 18):
No, it's the same NW system you've seen before. Nothing like DL-on-Demand. No Ipod jack.

I didn't notice much of a difference between the on-demand systems on the A330's and the on-demand system I used on a DL internation 764.


25 N808NW : not true anymore....as of april 1st all NW aircraft with IFE are supposed to play programs no matter the length of the flight. F/As should have gotte
26 Burnsie28 : June 1 One flight is still operated by the A332 June 1 June 1 In MSP the upgrade list is on the screen at the gate. Northwest's contract is with Peps
27 Transpac787 : Question for the DL folks: If the ATL-NRT on 777 is being terminated altogether, how are they going to rotate the 777's through JFK for the JFK-NRT??
28 CokePopper : I believe thats exactly what they are going to do. JFK-TLV on the 777 starts around May 21. Some days 777 and other 77L.
29 TVNWZ : Yes! I thought it was just me. Apparently not.
30 Mayor : I guess you'd have to ask an expert why the soda would lose its carbonation. I've had the same thing happen at some restaurants, with Pepsi in a can.
31 Jfk777 : Delta is transferring the 777's to its re-start of JFK to Tokyo. Delta & NW each flew it separately before 9/11. Loved seeing those Delta MD-11's at
32 DeltaL1011man : Idk about the flat thing. It has happened to me also. Un-opened can and its flat......about the whole can thing....some F/As will let you have the ca
33 CMHARJ : Will NW still keep their Asian based F/A? Also, on flights from NRT to GUM that are on DL metal, will they have Asian based F/A or will it strictly be
34 Transpac787 : Unless they switch SLC-NRT to 763 as well, a single 767 on PDX-NRT will not even come close to the cockpit crew staffing needs of what... 7-8 daily 7
35 DeltAirlines : Interesting - I'm in 2A on the A330 on ATL-MSP tomorrow and will be interested to see if the IFE is activated in World Business Class for this flight
36 Skibum9 : Not correct. There is something like a two year moretoreum on cross bidding on widebodies. DL crews will not be able to fly the 747 or A330, and NW c
37 NWA757boy : I apologize for your lack of IFE, there should of been full IFE on that flight. Starting April 1st, all aircraft with IFE flown on domestic routes is
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