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Air Canada Jazz Fleet Renewal Plans?  
User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 294 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6236 times:
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Hey there,


I was just wondering if Air Canada Jazz was considering a fleet renewal at all? I know they acquired the new CRJ-705 but they still have a large fleet of older CRJ-100/200 and the Q-100/300 which all are rather uncomfortable to fly on. Wouldn't it be in their best interest to purchase the newer Q-400 and possibly the CRJ-900/1000?

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User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

The Dash 100's, 300's and CRJ 100's, 200's are paid off long ago, which makes them cheap for Jazz to operate. The Q400 would be too big for many of Jazz's prop routes.

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1983 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

QK can only have 15, 75 seat jets. (I think 16 due to that one CRJ that was w/o at YYZ a year or so ago.) The Q400 would make sense on only very few routes. I can think of YVR-YLW and YVR-SEA from out west. YYC-YQR, YXE might be another option. The problem with the Q400 is that the cost to finance the birds would not really make them worth their while. The CRA serves the longer bigger routes. While the CRJ and DH8s do a good job for the thinner routes. As for why not any CRJ1000s keep in mind that AC has the Ejets to keep busy.


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User currently offlineCrj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Well I can tell you this, the company had said a year ago that they know the Dash8 s must be replaced as they are getting very old, when that happens is another story. ATR did stop by YHZ when they did their N American road show and Jazz was the host. Rumor has it that the Q400 is the favored replacement but it depends on whether they'd like to have a 50 seater as well, then ATR would be the option as they have the -42 as well as the 72.

User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6073 times:



Quoting Crj 900 (Reply 3):
Rumor has it that the Q400 is the favored replacement but it depends on whether they'd like to have a 50 seater as well, then ATR would be the option as they have the -42 as well as the 72.

I'm really surprised Bombardier dropped the smaller Q's. It certainly leaves a gap in their product offerings.


User currently offlineCB97 From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Bombardier still shows the Q200 and Q300 on their website, so I would assume that they are still taking orders for those airframes? My armchair analyst guess is that they would stick with what works and buy new Q200 and Q300 frames to replace the classic 100's and 300's they are currently using. Same goes for the CRJ's, just get new frames...

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5983 times:



Quoting Multimark (Reply 1):
The Dash 100's, 300's and CRJ 100's, 200's are paid off long ago, which makes them cheap for Jazz to operate. The Q400 would be too big for many of Jazz's prop routes.

Perhaps, but they should be continually renewing their fleet (given its size) so as not to have massive cap expenditures in future years.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 4):
I'm really surprised Bombardier dropped the smaller Q's. It certainly leaves a gap in their product offerings

I agree.

Quoting Crj 900 (Reply 3):
Rumor has it that the Q400 is the favored replacement but it depends on whether they'd like to have a 50 seater as well, then ATR would be the option as they have the -42 as well as the 72.

I dont see the ATR offering much improved operating economies.

Quoting CB97 (Reply 5):
Bombardier still shows the Q200 and Q300 on their website, so I would assume that they are still taking orders for those airframes?

They have discontinued offering these models. Some outstanding orders remain. They talk actively about a stretched Q400 to seat 90 pax being offered soon



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Bombardier still offers the 200 and 300; however, they are not new build airplanes. Bombardier refurbishes these airframes after leases expire and re-sells them.

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5892 times:



Quoting Multimark (Reply 1):
The Q400 would be too big for many of Jazz's prop routes.

 checkmark  The only western new build that can replace the 100's is the ATR42. If they went all Q400, while it breaks even on a low load factor, so abusing the capacity if necessary to replace the 300's is not a big deal (and gravy if filled), I cant see them doing this as it will mean too many routes will have to be dropped which cant accomodate or sustain the Q400.

I suppose one option will be too farm more routes out to the likes of CMA with Beech 1900's and fly the route more frequently, but that is hardly an adequate solution - and while their D's are fairly new compared to most of the Jazz Dash's, they wont last forever either.

Out west at YVR at least, a very sensible solution would be to go in with Pacific Coastal for any field a Q400 cant handle, give them some much needed revenue and give those Saab's something to do (though again the A's that they have are no newer than the Jazz Dash's, though I guess there are more used newer Saab's out there over Dash 100 / 200's if they want to upgrade or expand).

Anyhow, I dont think Jazz are currently in any position to think about spending $$$ for a while. Those Dash's are tough as you get, and while they are old, they are paid for and will be able to to soldier on for many years if necessary.



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User currently offlineTwinotter4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Just saw on flightglobal.com today that Bombardier is working on a life extension upgrade for the Dash 8 100s, as many are approaching the 80000 cycle life. As the 100 was a little more beefed up. they don't see many issues pushing it out to 120000. They are also working on a interior upgrade package as well, and there are companies looking at glass cockpit retrofits. May be able to keep those guys up there for some time  Smile

User currently offlineCrj 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5671 times:

That would be great if they offered those packages. I know that we have some of the oldest airframes produced. Nice thing about the Dash is that there is cabin service. In the past, if AC has wanted to "sewer" a route, they put the 1900 on it. IMHO if they got a fleet of 300s that would be perfect, however they would need a Q mod and maybe the cockpit and cabin of the 400 etc to bring them right up to date. In any case I guess we just wait n see where will we fit in any restructuring at AC.

User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5632 times:



Quoting Twinotter4ever (Reply 9):
Just saw on flightglobal.com today that Bombardier is working on a life extension upgrade for the Dash 8 100s, as many are approaching the 80000 cycle life. As the 100 was a little more beefed up. they don't see many issues pushing it out to 120000. They are also working on a interior upgrade package as well, and there are companies looking at glass cockpit retrofits. May be able to keep those guys up there for some time Smile

 checkmark  Absolutely those puppies will be around for some time. Fully depreciated, so total cost to operate is fairly low, and their capacity matches the market for many routes. Expect as 'mini-XM' program if AC make it through next winter.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5593 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
I dont see the ATR offering much improved operating economies.

Have a look at ATRs website, they are working on the 42-600 and 72-600:
http://www.atr.fr/public/atr/html/pr...cts/products.php?aid=814&pid=43204

Perhaps Jazz is waiting for them to have their new product flying as they see a need to have a 42-pax-sized plane, too.


User currently offlineRobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5397 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Perhaps, but they should be continually renewing their fleet (given its size) so as not to have massive cap expenditures in future years.

Given their almost 100% captive relationship with AC, and realizing that AC has provided much of the financing for Jazz aircraft, and given AC's current financial situation, it may be difficult for Jazz to obtain any financing for aircraft acquisition.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Any fleet renewal at Jazz is closely tied to the Capacity Purchase Agreement aka CPA. As the industry and AC evolves the relationship will as well change. AC new CEO probably has some ideas for the future and no doubt that has implications for Jazz. My expectation is that the Jazz fleet will stay the same for the foreseeable future.

User currently onlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 964 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

For the last year or so, I have noticed all of the Dash 8-100s I have flown in have had the seats changed from the green cloth to blue leather, and the carpets changed to match the new seats. The old planes look sharp inside now.

That Jazz has done this over the last year to 20 year old airplanes leads me to believe they plan on keeping the 37 seaters for a while...



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