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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15796 posts, RR: 27
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

I was looking at booking flights with US Airways Express and have a variety of choices. Since I'll be flying with my dad, 50 seat CRJs are all but out but many of the available routings include Mesa CRJ-900s and I have a few questions. First, does Mesa have any of the NextGen CRJs? For that matter how does the 900 compare to the 200 from a passenger perspective? Also, YV's planes have a reputation of being trashed and I was wondering how much truth there was to this. I imagine that the relatively newer 900s are relatively less worn than the older planes but how do they compare to RW or Air Wisconsin?

And also kudos to US for having those handy icons on their website to indicate what airline is actually operating the flight.


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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

I flew on one CLT-BDL last week and it was fine, much better than the CRJ1/CRJ2s. The one I was on could have been a bit cleaner, but overall no big complaints. It still had the America West seat covers.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4585 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
First, does Mesa have any of the NextGen CRJs?

No. Their newest CR9 (which is also their newest CRJ of any variety) was delivered in 2005.

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
Also, YV's planes have a reputation of being trashed and I was wondering how much truth there was to this. I imagine that the relatively newer 900s are relatively less worn than the older planes but how do they compare to RW or Air Wisconsin?

The YV aircraft are significantly worse inside than anything RW flies (170s or 175s). I haven't been on ZW since they flew for UA, so I'm not in a position to comment on them.

The -900 is better than the -200 for pax, but it's still closer to a -200 than to an E-Jet. Service is hit or miss. Sometimes they do drink service on long-ish flights, sometimes not. Depends on the crew.



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Mesa does not fly and NG CRJs. Ultimately I think you are going to be pretty dissapointed. Mesa's seat cushions are so flat, it's like sitting on wood (they've passed their replacement cycle) and the interiors are still circa America West. Lastly, every Mesa CRJ I've flown (usually BUR-PHX) smells like a lavatory as well.

Mesa's going through some pretty hard financial times right now, so it's a miracle they are even still flying if you ask me.



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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

If you fly the CR9, be careful with your seat choices. YV's configuration leaves a fair number of seats misaligned with windows. Ugh.

User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4503 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
For that matter how does the 900 compare to the 200 from a passenger perspective?

A few rows longer, an extra bathroom, and that's about it comfortwise.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5637 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4444 times:



Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 5):
A few rows longer, an extra bathroom, and that's about it comfortwise.

I've flown the -700 several times, and while I haven't flown the -200, it was a nice ride and certainly sounds improved from the -200 with the floor changes. In any event, I'm not a tall guy, so YMMV, but to me, the -700 (which is similar to the -900) was fine.

-Dave



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User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4439 times:



Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 5):
A few rows longer, an extra bathroom, and that's about it comfortwise.

The floor is slightly lower, making the windows higher and giving slightly more shoulder and elbow room than in a 200.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15796 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Thanks for all of the responses.

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 7):
The floor is slightly lower, making the windows higher and giving slightly more shoulder and elbow room than in a 200.

Is this on all -700/-900s or just the NextGen ones?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4421 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Is this on all -700/-900s or just the NextGen ones?

All of them.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15796 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Thanks for the help.


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User currently offlineCRJ200FAGuy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4364 times:



Quoting Silentbob (Reply 7):
The floor is slightly lower, making the windows higher and giving slightly more shoulder and elbow room than in a 200.

Thanks, I forgot about that.

Are you saying there isn't elbow room in a 200?  Smile It's amazing how you don't realize how small it is until you deadhead. My jumpseat is so much more comfortable, and I forget how cramped it really is in a regular seat.


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 690 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4252 times:
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The aircraft is actually very attractive. Long and sleek and new US color scheme looks nice.
Now to the ride. As pointed out by other posters, the seats are very uncomfortable...the hardest seat cushion (or lack thereof) of any airplane I've flown, HP's green brocade seat fabric, and seat pitch at about 31". After row 2 all seats are misaligned to the windows, so either your seat back is squarely in the window, or you lean to look out. You are really punished in row 14. No window, no recline and hard seat cushion. Exit rows at 15 and 16 not too much more comfortable other than leg room. Exit row seat pads in addition to the hardness also SLANT downward.
The flight ride is stable, and noticeable power at takoff. Quiet to some MD-80 comparison if you sit up front. I personally don't hate CRJ200's so wasn't wildly impressed with the 9. Don't know I'd go out of my way to pick a ride on one again. No comparison to the E-jets. The E170/190's are far superior in cabin comfort, and ride.
On the two segments I found the Mesa cockpit and cabin crews did a nice job.
I hope you have a good trip......regardless of all these comments pro and con!
Thomas



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User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4208 times:



Quoting CRJ200FAGuy (Reply 11):
Are you saying there isn't elbow room in a 200? Smile It's amazing how you don't realize how small it is until you deadhead. My jumpseat is so much more comfortable, and I forget how cramped it really is in a regular seat.

Ha ha ha! Isnt that the truth! I always sit in my jumpseat looking at all the people leaning out into our tiny aisle and wishing they would stop that so I could walk up and down the aisle easier! Then I deadhead and catch myself leaning into the aisle in an attempt to avoid touching the person in the window! LOL!

SWA TPA



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4087 times:
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I've been on the YV/US CR9s a million times on flights anywhere from 2 hours to 20 minutes and have no major complaints. At worst, my crews have been neutral, but they are usually friendly enough. The cockpit crews have always been informative in my experience. The seat padding could be better, but for the average regional flight, its not a big deal - I've had worse. To be honest, I find the YV CR9 seats more comfortable than CO's newer seats.

The planes aren't always too clean and the tray tables are sometimes gunked up, but I fault US for that, not YV. It's a powerful plane and a quiet ride in the front half (eerily quiet every time I sit in row 1)...

The windows are big, the overheads do the job and you can gate check, of course. It's a perfectly acceptable ride.

JBLU


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Flying on the CRJ's are horrible I'm 6'6'' and it's a nightmare. I try to fly on the E-170/190s anytime I can.

I think Bombardier was unoriginal when they simply stretched the CRJ...what sucks now is you could be on a CR7 for a routing like CLT-DEN and that's just hellish......

In summary, The E Jets are way better.....Bombardier GET WITH THE PROGRAM..... I would take an E-170 over a CRJ1000 any day



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15796 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3760 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Flying on the CRJ's are horrible I'm 6'6'' and it's a nightmare.

I'm about 6'4" so that would be a problem. I think that I can convince my dad to put up with an Air Wisky CR2 for the short hop to PHL and then catch a Republic E-Jet to STL. Going to CLT and getting off of an Embraer and onto a CR9 didn't seem like fun.

I have another question too. (which may require another thread, but I'll try here first) I was looking at STL-PWM flights and I found a routing that included DL96 which is a 757 CVG-JFK. Looking at the seating chart on their website, it appears to be a 75E (ex TWA with PTVs) except that DL's site shows 2 extra seats in J that SeatGuru doesn't. So do 75Es actually fly this route? And yes I realize it could change, and even if it does I probably will still take it, but a 75E would be really nice.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3753 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Flying on the CRJ's are horrible I'm 6'6'' and it's a nightmare. I try to fly on the E-170/190s anytime I can.

I emplore you to fly on Spirit, then. A CRJ on any airline is the Ritz-Carlton compared to them.



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User currently offlineTravaz From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3730 times:

I was just in Hawaii for a week and took GO (Mesa) one way and HA the other interisland and i wonder why anyone would put up with that toture on Mesa when u can ride a 717 for the same price

User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
I'm about 6'4" so that would be a problem. I think that I can convince my dad to put up with an Air Wisky CR2 for the short hop to PHL and then catch a Republic E-Jet to STL. Going to CLT and getting off of an Embraer and onto a CR9 didn't seem like fun.

There are pros and cons! Air Wisky is a good company with clean planes, but a CR2 is a CR2 and PHL is a nightmare. I'd rather go through CLT! Plus, if it's an ERJ, the single seat is a nice way to fly!


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I keep thinking being on an MESA plane is akin to being trapped inside a Klingon Battlecruiser.

User currently offlineBobprobert95 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

The CRJ is the biggest piece of crap out there!

I just flew CVG-DTW-AVP and back on the CRJ exclusively. The 200 version just plain sucks! It is uncomfortable, crowded and the windows are at your crotch! I'm 6' and I can't stand it! I saw comments from a few who were above my 6' and I feel sorry. My experience is that the 700 is the best version of the CRJ only for the window height. The seat padding on any version is thin irregardless to carrier and the few 900's that I've flown on the windows are misaligned.

As it was explained to me this is what happens when you are first to market. Since I fly the regional jets out of CVG all of the time I dread the CJR. When I am on a ERJ my experience is totally different. Its freaking night and day and in fact I really enjoy flying regional carriers that fly the ERJ.

Ahhh, I love venting about the CRJ and its craptapulance!

JB


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Bobprobert95 (Reply 21):
the few 900's that I've flown on the windows are misaligned.

The windows aren't mis-aligned by design. It's that the windows are spaced 1 per row in an all-coach configuration. When you increase the spacing between seats, guess what happens? They don't line up anymore. Then same thing will happen on a DC-8. The only reason why MD and Boeing aircraft don't have the issue is that they designed the spacing between windows to be small.

As far as looking out the window, I have to put myself into a not-so-comfortable position in order to look out the window on Boeing aircraft, but it's only while on the ground. It's the same on the CRJ (-200  you get a good view while airborne, but not while on the ground.

As far as the ERJ v. CRJ thing, I'd gladly take a CRJ over an ERJ. The seats on the CRJ fit me better. Plus, on UA and DL, the CRJ-700/900 (respectively) have first class seats.  

Now, I'm not saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion, but I have to note that many opinions on these threads are just grumblings because they didn't design the aircraft around them, instead of the average person.

[Edited 2009-05-14 06:49:41]


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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2532 times:



Quoting Bobprobert95 (Reply 21):
he 700 is the best version of the CRJ only for the window height. The seat padding on any version is thin irregardless to carrier and the few 900's that I've flown on the windows are misaligned.

As have been said before, the spacing of windows in both the -700 and -900 version is the same. The difference is the (customer chosen) interior configuration.


Well, the only CRJ I have ever flown were -900 NextGen s. Sure, it is not as spacy as the regular 737s and A320s, but it is not so bad. The windows (on the NextGens) are huge and, in a normal configuration, are aligned wit the seats. The LED equipped interior is very smart and looks space age.

Sure, for a 2+ hour flight I would like to fly something else, but for shortewr flights I find it just perfect.

Regards,


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5081 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

I have flown on Mesa's 900's. They are comfortable, clean, and nice inside. I have no complaints. I would prefer to fly on a 700 or 900, over a 200.

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 23):
Sure, for a 2+ hour flight I would like to fly something else, but for shortewr flights I find it just perfect.

Regards,

Yes, 2 hours or less is much better.



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25 Cubsrule : So why don't they line up right on YV's all-coach aircraft?
26 Goldenshield : I've never ridden on YV's CR9's. It could be a bulkhead or closet causing issues, for all I know.
27 Aggieflyboi04 : I ask the question to a friend of mine once and he said that the planes had First when they where delivered and where then, converted to single class
28 Deltal1011man : DL seating configs. 16C 155Y ex TWA 16 BizE seats AVOD/PTVs/DoD in C and Y. A few have headrest in Y now. 22F 156Y Ex ATA No PTVs No airvents. Good n
29 Viscount724 : As with most aircraft, it's the carrier's deicsions re cabin layout, seat pitch etc. that determine how comfortable they are. Try the CRJ-705s operat
30 ThegreatRDU : If only Spirit served RDU........ I'm ok with the CRJ on like an RDU-PHL hop but when the CR7s and CR9s are on long and thin routes which are like 2.
31 BMI727 : I might go out of my way to avoid CRJs, but I'll take a ride on a Challenger any day. The seating chart shown on DL's website closely matches the 75E
32 Goldenshield : Ah, so you ARE into torture.
33 Bobprobert95 : Yeah, I have to agree with you there to some extent but I don't think I'm that tall and the windows are real low. Someone mentioned flying the Challe
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