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AZ Looks To Expand Further In 2010  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Alitalia announced today, during a press conference at Fiumicino Airport, that they are looking to add/resume more short and long-haul routes from Rome next year.

More specifically :

Europe : Berlin, Malaga, Prague, Vienna, Zurich (all routes flown in the recent past by the "old" Alitalia)

World : Los Angeles, Rio de Janeiro, Seoul, Shanghai


This list appears in the official press release - Alitalia corporate website (in Italian only at the moment)
http://corporate.alitalia.com/it/Images/pr_13_05_2009_tcm6-33442.pdf


Anyway, here you find a short summary in English.
http://www.avionews.com/index.php?co...1104381&pagina_chiamante=index.php

[Edited 2009-05-13 11:28:22]

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7239 times:

Good for AZ! I hope AZ is successful in this, I hope they start MAN as well!


seemyseems
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7199 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
World : Los Angeles
, Rio de Janeiro, Seoul, Shanghai

GIG is longe overdue. Hopefully Infraero won't block AZ like they did last time since by then at least CO will have switched from Terminal 1 from Terminal 2, and if CM gets into *A they'll follow them. Which leaves more space for AZ to settle.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineLAXspotr From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 81 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

LAX again!?? This might be the third time Alitalia starts and stops Los Angeles... it doesn't seem like a very profitable sector for AZ with exception of the summer months.

Maybe third time's a charm? It'll be interesting see how that works out, if at all.

- Josh May


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7617 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7077 times:



Quoting LAXspotr (Reply 3):
it doesn't seem like a very profitable sector for AZ with exception of the summer months.

LAX-FCO is a very low yielding market. As much as Id love to see them flying it again, they would better off not.

If AZ kept their hub at MXP, I think an LAX flight would have had a much better shot.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7051 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
World : Los Angeles, Rio de Janeiro, Seoul, Shanghai



Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
GIG is longe overdue. Hopefully Infraero won't block AZ like they did last time since by then at least CO will have switched from Terminal 1 from Terminal 2, and if CM gets into *A they'll follow them. Which leaves more space for AZ to settle.

I personally think GIG is the front-runner because GRU is already a star performer with 7+2 weekly flights operating with the B772. GIG would be the natural expansion for AZ in Brazil and the region.

Rgs,


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6966 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
AZ Looks To Expand Further In 2010

Any chance for OSL ?

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6742 times:



Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 6):
Any chance for OSL ?

I would say no chance, not before restoring CPH.


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

Why not LIS?? Flights were always full, and the route made money. LIS had over a million euros in walk up ticket sales alone for AZ flights in its last year of service.

User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Good to see Alitalia expanding...

Just my question is... which aircraft are likely to operate these routes? Because for example they start LAX, they are going to need to move aircraft around from other routes....


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6342 times:
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Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
GIG is longe overdue. Hopefully Infraero won't block AZ like they did last time since by then at least CO will have switched from Terminal 1 from Terminal 2, and if CM gets into *A they'll follow them. Which leaves more space for AZ to settle

And it's a station where yields will be very interesting: oil, industry/business, VFR, leisure.... i'm sure AZ will obtain very nice results out of GIG if they use good equipment and schedule.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

i would love them to start another asian destination like SIN, BKK, HKG


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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

I agree...come back to HKG!

User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

Would love to AZ back at JNB

User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Would love to see AZ back at JNB,but it hink that is just a pipe dream.have a fantastic day
SA744


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

I wouldn't be holding my breathe on any of this.

How many times have AZ announced GIG, LAX and SHA, now? I think this is the third. At least LAX started, even if it only lasted five months.



a.
User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

or how about FCO-SIN-SYD/MEL  Smile


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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4440 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
LAX-FCO is a very low yielding market.

Therefore one can fly LAX-CDG-FCO with a choice of 3 flights a day on alliance partner AF, as well as LAX-AMS/ATL-FCO on KL/DL. No chance AZ can do anything against that. As much as I'd love to see Italy having a good 'flag' airline serving many destinations, i think AZ are not doing it right at the moment.

Quoting JQFlightie (Reply 16):
or how about FCO-SIN-SYD/MEL Smile

I do think a 77L can do BRI-PER, they should try that instead (just kidding)



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4013 times:

Hi folks...
Well, LAX again. This time, I don't think this is a wise decision. First of all, the market is going to be exceptionally suspicious of AZ. Pull out, come back, pull out, come back, there is not going to be any trust in the market.

IF they are going to dedicate two 777s to the west coast, better they put it into SFO. Of course, now that I live in Seattle I don't have as much vested interest as before, but if I had a 777 in SFO, the route would be a winner. There is sufficient VFR and corporate traffic going to/from Italy from SFO and v.v. that a year round route can be profitable...only under the following circumstances:

In the winter, they operate the aircraft only four times a week. With a four day a week operation, there would only be a need to house two crews in SFO on a ongoing basis instead of three (which we had to do before - the crew gets a full 48 hours in SFO due flight being over 12 hours duty time). Additionally, the 777 can carry the cargo that we could not carry from SFO with the 763. Plus while most of the Italians in the Bay Area are from the north of Italy, most will not object to flying to Rome before going on to their destination. Plus, they have only been burned by AZ once, not twice as LAX has.

I'll bring it up with my friends in Italy and see what news I can get.

Ciao baw716



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3969 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
LAX-FCO is a very low yielding market. As much as Id love to see them flying it again, they would better off not.

If AZ kept their hub at MXP, I think an LAX flight would have had a much better shot.

= Yup. I don't understand their LAX strategy. It is as if they go to MIDT, get a listing of high pax and match up with their lack of service. Developing a network is much more harder than that. Also, I am surprised new owners AF are OK with this. LAX-CDG has a lot of traffic connecting on to FCO. Or, perhaps, this is to take back traffic from LH which also does well with FCO connections on their LAX flights?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
How many times have AZ announced GIG, LAX and SHA, now? I think this is the third. At least LAX started, even if it only lasted five months.

= I am with you on this.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7583 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3920 times:

Would be nice to see the new AZ flying 4x weekly to MEX with 772ERs (now that AM terminated its MEX-MTY-FCO flights). I know this is just wishful thinking!


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3456 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
How many times have AZ announced GIG, LAX and SHA, now? I think this is the third. At least LAX started, even if it only lasted five months

Concerning to GIG, they tried last year to begin flights, but Infraero wont allow them to get the space, but AZ in Italy, was the first time they mention about.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3239 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 17):
I do think a 77L can do BRI-PER, they should try that instead (just kidding)

lol who wants to go to PER hahahaha jks  Wink



Next Trip: PER-DPS-LOP-CGK-KUL-PVG-LHR, LCY-MAD-VLC, BCN-LYS-TLS-IST-JED-KUL-SGN-CAN-MEL
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

At the time of the AZ/KL joint-venture the MXP-SIN-SYD services using wet-lease KL 744/74Es were actually highly successful. Gave pax a lot of options within europe using the dual hub AMS/MXP concept.

It had the following rotation:

AMS-SIN-SYD then it would depart as SYD-SIN-MXP and back again to SYD. It had one dedicated AZ flight attendant on that flight.

Last time as operated services in its own right on schedule basis was from 03JUN00 to 28OCT00 with 3 x weekly 742s MXP-BKK-SYD - they only kept the schedule for the SYD2000 games.

Real shame AZ doesn't come to Australia - but like most euro carriers it just way to expensive to maintain services to Oceania.



Orbis non sufficit
User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3174 times:



Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Reply 23):
At the time of the AZ/KL joint-venture

It was the last possibility for AZ to be re-organized and saved.


25 AlitaliaDC10 : Yes that is probably right - however KL's CEO Leo Van Wyk (sp.?) was quite unilateral in severing ties... I think if the MXP hub had been allowed to
26 Varig md-11 : or maybe it's to counter the possible LH Italia long haul to N.America out of Italy LH Italia is doing very well and they promised to expand long hau
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