AndyHunt From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1262 posts, RR: 57 Posted (9 months 12 hours ago) and read 21535 times:
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Hi All,
Whilst photographing around Changi the other day, a very interesting specimen was seen poking out of the SIA hangars.....a A340 adorned with the Oakland Raiders logo. Wonder who is going to get this one.
Keep a lookout at your local airport.....it should be on its way soon.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 3937 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 months 12 hours ago) and read 21509 times:
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 1): I wonder what airline would get one and paint a Raiders logo on it.
Well, HA had a DC-10 with a Raiders sticker on it. But I don't think that a) there is any way that this is theirs and we don't know it and b) they would paint it in a full Raiders scheme.
I have no idea what it really is, but nothing Al Davis does shocks me anymore.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1867 posts, RR: 50 Reply 14, posted (9 months 11 hours ago) and read 21239 times:
It's definitely not for us (HA). Unless, that is, someone mis-identified the aircraft and it's actually an A330, which we'll be getting in the next year. But a team plane? Doubtful. Including pre-season, regular season, and possible post-season games (Raiders? Don't make me laugh) it's only about a dozen away games at most. And several of those are short jaunts up or down the west coast. That doesn't make for very good financial sense for a big, expensive 4-engined beast like an A340 when they have been very happy chartering our DC-10's and 767's for the past decade or so.
My guess is that it's an advertising ploy, along the lines of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit model on the side of the Southwest 737 earlier this year.
HAL
One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 3937 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 months 10 hours ago) and read 21218 times:
Quoting HAL (Reply 14): My guess is that it's an advertising ploy, along the lines of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit model on the side of the Southwest 737 earlier this year
What A340 operator would have a relationship with the Raiders?
Quoting HAL (Reply 14): That doesn't make for very good financial sense for a big, expensive 4-engined beast like an A340 when they have been very happy chartering our DC-10's and 767's for the past decade or so.
It doesn't make sense. Which leads me to believe that Al Davis had something to do with this.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 995 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (9 months 7 hours ago) and read 20900 times:
Quoting AndyHunt (Thread starter): Whilst photographing around Changi the other day, a very interesting specimen was seen poking out of the SIA hangars
Thanks very much for sharing this picture with us. In these times, where almost all movements can be foreseen by internet, it's not so often to see an unexpected bird.
This would definitly put some pressure on Wayne Huizenga to look for a bigger jet.
Imagine if these two birds would sit next to each other on the apron. It could be an indication about the result of the game Dolphine vs. Raiders, or mabye not...
Eaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 384 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 months 7 hours ago) and read 20806 times:
Quoting AndyHunt (Reply 18): Uh...because I have been looking at planes for more than 30 years, and believe me, it's an A340. I'll bet my life on it.
Ok but I'm assuming you also saw the wings of the aircraft. If not then what are the differences between a A330 and a A340 from that angle i.e. not seeing the wings for example. The A330-300 and the A340-300 are the same length. Could it be a A340-500 or A340-600. Because you could tell the difference there, given the length.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 995 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (9 months 7 hours ago) and read 20804 times:
Quoting AndyHunt (Reply 18): Quoting N14AZ (Reply 17):
Why did people draw the conclusion that this is an A340. You can't see it's engines.
Uh...because I have been looking at planes for more than 30 years, and believe me, it's an A340. I'll bet my life on it.
Hey! I didn't say that. Something went wrong with your quote. You are destroying my reputation beacuse people will think that guy is not able to see the difference between an A330 and an A340
And I agree with you, it looks like an A340 because the fuselage is even (A340) and not slantwise (A330).
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2333 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (9 months 5 hours ago) and read 20648 times:
Quoting AndyHunt (Reply 18): Now latest that I understand is that it is something to do with Air Asia......but that does not compute with me........at ALL!
Yeah Andrew, that makes no sense at all. I'm as stumped as you are???
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13616 posts, RR: 62 Reply 23, posted (9 months 5 hours ago) and read 20629 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 12): Maybe US Airways ? They have many sport teams liveries and they were rumored to get A340s.
Yeah, but they normally stick to sports teams of their hub cities. Cardinals (PHX), Steelers (PIT), Eagles (PHL), etc. Oakland isn't one of their hub cities.
That said, I don't see any way of distinguishing between an A333 and A343 from that photo alone.
Tom Collins
25 Airbazar: I'm going to guess it's a charter deal/publicity stunt for some pre-season game. Are the Raiders supposed to play any exhibition games in Asia or Euro
26 TriniA340: Is what I'm seeing there a white tail-section and the rest of the plane painted black?
27 Mayor: Maybe Davis is moving the team, AGAIN, to somewhere in Asia??
28 Eaa3: AndyHunt originally quoted me. I don't know why it came out wrong.
29 Mirrodie: I love rumor threads like this. Looks like its already a sought after plane that we spotters want to see. We'll look forward to the new scheme, whoeve
30 Pohakuloa: This would be a huge surprise. Usually the online community gets the scoop on things before they are discovered otherwise. For US to keep this kind o
31 Max550: Ok, I may sound stupid here but I'll take a stab at it. Is it possibly an A310 or A300? There would normally be a door under the vertical stabilizer j
32 FX1816: Hmmm...that would be very interesting. FX1816
33 FX1816: Looking at the picture again though, the plane hangs out pretty far from the hangar to not see the wing at all and an A300 is not that long. FX1816
34 GARUDAROD: Well if it is Air Asia X, arent they rumored to start service to the U.S. and isnt OAK their targeted first city? That would make sense to paint it in
35 MSPNWA: I think you might be on the right track here. For one I've been wondering where the windows are. They should be visible if it's passenger plane. I do
36 Legoguy: I believe I see the under wing bluge (called the plastron, named after the undershell of a tortoise?) and it seems to be painted white. The A310/A300
37 413x3: this sounds like the biggest possibility here a cargo airline in this economy going the extra mile to paint an a300 with the raiders logo? I don't th
38 AAce24: US Airways only did the NFL liveries for their hub cities. Eagles, Steelers, Cardinals, Panthers. PHL,PIT,PHX,CLT. I think that was just a one time de
39 Max550: I was kind of thinking the same thing, I just have no idea who would paint a 330 or 340 like that. This whole thing seems very odd though, no mention
40 HAL: OK, I'm no expert, but doesn't that Raiders logo look a little suspicious? On a deep zoom in, the logo looks exactly even and straight, whereas if it
41 Star_world: That's exactly what I thought when I looked at this image.
42 NorthStarDC4M: I don't think thats the wing root bulge, i think its something in front of the plane on the ground, its almost exactly the same color as the hangar,
43 Max550: I've been leaning towards that too, I guess we'll find out eventually.
44 PlymSpotter: It's difficult to tell, but I'd say that the tail cone does look more like the 340, it doesn't have one or two curves which the A300's has. You'll ne
45 AndyHunt: You can think whatever you want but do not question my integrity. Why does the discussion end up in what type of aircraft it might be. It's an A343.
46 Max550: Not questioning your integrity, just going through every possible option. If it is an A343 then I'm going with the Air Asia X idea.
47 AndyHunt: And the option is that I faked the image........ Andrew
48 Max550: That was one of the things I thought could be possible since I couldn't find anything to confirm that the picture was real. It's easy enough to fake
49 N43W79: It's an A343 formerly belonging to Air Canada, that will be flying for Air Asia X.
50 Willd: Why would someone who clearly is held in high regard on a.net (he is part of the a.net crew scanning photographs) risk his integrity on this site by
51 MD80Nut: Huizenga no longer owns the Dolphins. The new owner is Stephen Ross. I've seen that Dolphins themed BBJ at FLL. A really sweet looking jet. Cheers, R
52 MD80Nut: It certainly looks plausible. I don't see windows near the rear door. Or maybe they've been masked off for painting? I wouldn't discount your guess j
53 Max550: I don't know why someone would do that, but people do strange things sometimes. If my best friend showed me that picture and I couldn't find any othe
54 Vtdl: I guess no one on planet earth watches the Oakland Raiders, so Al Davis tries to explore the new space aliens market
55 MillwallSean: If its Air Asia X they have to be planning a route to the states. Gridiron has virtually zero following in Asia, Australia or Europe so there wouldnt
56 AndyHunt: Somebody just sent me this over the email (Tobias Morick) it's most likely an ex Air Canada A340-313X, probably cn 278 (formally C-GDVZ). Seen on deli
57 IADCA: Then you both need some thicker skin. It's an interesting photo and difficult to explain. I don't see why you would post a photo about which you know
59 SANFan: I'm thinking if it was an Asian carrier about to start serving OAK, wouldn't the A's (baseball) logo be of more interest to people in that part of the
60 MSPNWA: Yes, things are starting to fall into place now. When paint jobs start to match, you know the mystery is about over.
61 PHX Flyer: None of these explanations are 100% plausible without additional information. A US carrier would have announced the new acquisition already. Now, let
62 Silver1SWA: I don't see anything weird or wrong with how the logo appears on the tail. Looks pretty straight with the tail to me. In this day and age no matter w
63 777DAD: If it is Air Asia X, according to there web sight they only have A330's for long routes, Or did they get a A340 along the way? Don't flame me, I'm jus
64 RomeoKC10FE: They way the Raiders play I don't think I'd want their logo on my plane, LOL!!!
65 HAL: Well, there goes any chance of my next photo getting accepted. (Just kidding Andrew! Again!) Seriously though, I'm very sorry I offended you Andrew.
66 AndyHunt: Hey HAL, No problem......let's move on! Regards Andrew
67 Thorben: My opinion, too. But KUL-OAK at 13,600km is a bit too long for the A343, especially with the number of seats that D7 puts in their widebodies. View L
68 Wukka: So I guess the final answer is still about as questionable as the Raider's draft picks? Is *that* where the franchise's money went? Seriously, though.
69 HAL: Absolutely! I agree. The A343 is notorious for using a lot of runway to get going. The lowest departure I've ever seen out of SEA was a China Air A34
70 Legacytravel: After looking real closely at the aircraft I do not see any windows on this jet. My guess it is a freighter of some kind. I always knew that the raide
71 MillwallSean: Nah Baseball and gridiron are both non factors in SE Asia. Some parts of North Asia, Japan for instance watch Baseball, but the sport hasn't made it
73 Thorben: Regardless of the runway length, the distance is simply 1,000 km more than the A343 can fly with a normal number with pax. Air Asia X would need A345
74 Max550: I think they would stop somewhere, probably STN, since they already fly the A340 there. Still doesn't make any sense to me though.
75 Greenjet: It still belongs to AC and is going to AirAsia X on sublease.
76 HAL: Going KUL-STN-OAK is 40% farther than direct. I don't think that's an option. The direct route is across the north Pacific, not across central Asia a
78 Brons2: Comments this topic from a sports web forum: "Word has it, it was the fastest plane at the trials." "But once it enters service, it will fail to perfo
79 Thorben: But they could fly to the US east coast via STN, like SQ flies SIN-FRA-JFK KUL-STN-JFK is only 6.3% farther than KUL-JFK They wouldn't fly to JFK, I'
81 Brenintw: How about OAK - TPE - KUL? There was a thread here recently about D7 opening up TPE in July (although that thread mentioned an A330 aircraft being th
82 CX flyboy: Why does it have to have anything to do with OAK at all? Air Asia doesn't fly to Manchester yet they had the Man U scheme.
83 Legacytravel: This could be an excellent way to enhance revenue. By selling advertising space on the aircraft and senile AL Davis would probably just do that. Mark
84 GothamSpotter: Mr. Hunt: Do you have a larger version of that photo? I know you said you'd wager your life that this is an A343, but I am nearly certain there are no
85 Crjfixer: I would be willing to bet this A340 will be used for some sort of commercial/advertisement/Movie before being sent to AirAsiaX. I can almost guarantee
86 Max550: It doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with Oakland, it would just make a lot more sense if it did. From everything I've read, Manchester
87 Andrewtang: This is certainly NOT an A300B4-200F nor is it likely to be an A300B4-600F freighter. First of all, the horizontal stab confirms it cant be the forme
88 Airbazar: Don't the windows get covered when there is heavy maintenace and/or painting being done?
89 Max550: I'm almost 100% sure it's an Air Asia X A340 now. The windows must just be covered or hidden. No other explanation makes any sense. I'm looking forwa
91 Max550: Haha, I'm trying not to offend any Raiders fans out there. I was talking about Asia, because as far as I can tell Asia, Australia and London will be
92 413x3: The NFL has been on a push for more global marketing for years, do you think England cares about the NFL? But they still send over 1 or 2 games a year
93 RFields5421: Davis is very good at marketing and would value being ahead of the A's on such an opportunity. As noted above, while US NFL football is not huge outs
94 AirframeAS: It has got to be US. Look at the cheatline just before the tail and compare them with the other A319's US has with the sports team livery. Very simil
95 EICVD: From Skyliner Airbus A340 -313 278 9M-X.. Air Asia X seen painted at SIN 15may09 in Oakland Raiders cs prior delivery, “Autumn Wind One” ex C-GDVZ
96 Paparadzi: That aircraft was spotted flying at SIN. Confirmed A340-300, Raiders tail and red engines just like 9M-XAB most likely will be re-registered as 9M-XAC
97 HAL: Happily, all to be flown on a Hawaiian 767-300ER. (Hopefully with me at the controls at least once again this year) HAL
98 Airbazar: Not very relevant to this thread but "American" football is the fastest growing sport in Europe. They even have their own European league which draws
99 Enginebird: Well, Europe had a league called NFL Europe but it is no more. It closed in 2007. NFL Europe closes American Football is a "fringe sport" in Europe a
100 PiedmontINT: Any chance that anyone who is a member of that site could post the pics on here as well?
101 Mayor: Too bad he doesn't stick to that and let those people that know how, run the football team.
102 Airbazar: Just because it's a fringe sport it doesn't mean it's not a growing sport. However, that's not saying much. If your number of participants was nearly
103 Max550: Nice looking plane, and a great catch AndyHunt, thanks! Does this mean they will open up Oakland now? Do they have approval for it?
104 FlyBeQ400: Courtesy of Xu Yong over at malaysianwings.net... link to thread there for reference also: http://www.malaysianwings.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=41
105 413X3: You must be confused. He surely knows how to run a football team. He makes profits. Whether or not you as a fan enjoy watching his team play is not i
106 BA744PHX: ^^^ well that doesnt look like anything special
107 FlyBeQ400: Slightly odd looking that they left the belly in Air Canada baby blue ! I guess this 2nd A340 will be needed to make the STN service daily from July 1
108 Max550: I knew I recognized that color from somewhere, I didn't even think about the fact that it's ex-AC. Wonder why they didn't paint it.
109 Ikramerica: That is one of the ugliest schemes ever painted. From the red engines to the AC toothpaste belly to the poor attempt at a face mask on the nose, it's
110 AirframeAS: The problem is, HA is doing the Raiders flying this year, like HAL said in reply 98. I now do not see the point to this livery anymore.
111 Atomsareenough: Is that what it's supposed to be? Wow, that's absolutely horrid.
113 Legacytravel: The only problem I see is that the Raiders are the Silver and Black. Not the White and Black. Nice try though, it is a ok looking plane but would do m
114 SeaBosDca: I don't think the scheme is done yet... I think the facemask will be finished; the AC toothpaste painted over; and some kind of Air Asia logo added on
115 AirframeAS: But the US NFL team liveries on the 319's have the exact same swoosh style... Question though...... what does this airline have anything to do with t
117 MSPNWA: At least the model and carrier mysteries have been solved, but the motive is still up in the air. I too hope the livery isn't done yet, because that's
118 FlyBeQ400: Any further news on this? Anyone spotted this plane being delivered into KUL? Hoping to do an OAK-KUL round-trip this winter
119 Max550: I was wondering the same thing. There's gotta be a way someone can find out if they've at least applied for an OAK route.
120 MillwallSean: I anyone had listened to what Mr Fernandes and his mates have been saying they would have known that it was their intention to serve the Los Angeles a
121 Crjfixer: I like it....Its definatly different
123 Sancho99504: This is not an A300/310F. This is an A330/340, and definitely a passenger aircraft. If you click on the picture and then zoom in, you can see the rea
124 LEEDS19: I saw this Aircraft towed out of the Hangar in Sin on Monday the 18th to the cargo ramp from where it departed during a tropical downpour which put th
125 FlyBeQ400: A few more details from Raiders CEO Amy Trask: - Marketing arrangement only at this stage, meaning no immediate plans for D7 to serve OAK or even the
126 Reality: Details? Actually you are the first one to answer the questions posed in this thread. Thanks!
127 SeaBosDca: "It is impossible to hide an A340."
128 9MMAR: A 2 months old news from Malaysia, which made the headlines on 29 March 2009. " target=_blank>http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/ne...99578 Most import
130 KELPkid: " target=_blank>http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-5...lence Hmmm...my visits to Malaysia seem to tell me that American Football isn't on the top 10
131 Paparadzi: D7, just like sister companies AK, QZ and FD operates from the low-cost terminal in KUL. So unfortunately, the answer is yes.
132 BMI727: Do the pilots and FAs have to wear Darth Vader masks on this plane? What kind of aviation fan are you? Since when did it become "unfortunate" to boar
133 Bwohlgemuth: When you are dragging three kids and a load of carrion luggage. Then it gets fun!
134 Mir: Well, I guess it can't be any worse than the food they serve on the plane. -Mir
135 FlyBeQ400: The livery is looking a lot better already! Now I can't wait to see the completed thing. I was thinking with 2x A340s now for a daily STN service, th
136 Leftwing: It is in for a C Check and will be leased and re-painted in Air Asia X colors, will operate the KUL-STN ....will also get a retro-fit Class 3 Electron
137 SQ452: The plane, is a "commitment to excellence".....or just the biggest waste of marketing dollars in recent memory. Seriously, the Raiders are trying to "
138 Jbernie: As an Australian, living in Denver, supporting the San Francisco 49ERS, and a long time Liverpool FC fan who has suffered too much thanks to Man Utd,
139 LeftWing: ....nope it will be re-painted to XAX livery...
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