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Heathrow PRT ... Testing!  
User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Yesterday i had the opportunity to visit LHR. Does anyone have any details on the PRT as they were running tests on the machines and it looked amazing! I cant wait to have the opportunity to try one!!

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User currently offlineXtra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

PRT as in Personal Rapid Transport?

BAA animation of the new Heathrow T5 ULTra PRT:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epiiPy9kAho


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

I also saw the tests at LHR yesterday, looks like a good system though the route to/from T5 is longer due to having to go behind the 09L ILS to prevent disturbances.

Capacity of 4 passengers per module?


User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3716 times:



Quoting BA777 (Reply 2):

Yes thats true!

Quoting BA777 (Reply 2):
I also saw the tests at LHR yesterday, looks like a good system though the route to/from T5 is longer due to having to go behind the 09L ILS to prevent disturbances.

Have any more info on this?


User currently offlineVirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

So where do they operate to/from? And is it a free journey? Would be nice to know some more info about these.

Jordan



The amazing tale of flight.
User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

At last!!! Its just been sitting there for about 2 months now with nothing happening to it.

Quoting Virginblue4 (Reply 4):
So where do they operate to/from? And is it a free journey? Would be nice to know some more info about these.

It operates, or will operate from the Business car park the other side of 9L and the ride is free, as per the Car park buses that run around the airport. I never see these buses full so Id like to think it will get rid of a few buses clogging up the roads around the airport.


User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

I heard that they could be rolled out across the whole airport. Does anybody have a map?

User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

I went a two day(!) conference about this about a month or so ago through work.
We got a chance to have a look at at the infrastructure and the vehicles themselves.
It is very interesting stuff - I have some photos (one here):
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A few specs if you're interested:
Capacity: 4 Adults with Luggage
Speed: 25mph (40kph)
Battery Powered - recharging whilst stationary at stations
Free to Use

They are eerily quiet - if the track was not segregated I could quite easily see people being knocked down.

I did see a map of possible future expansion - nothing electronic to hand though - essentially runs from T5 to the central terminal area with stops at numerous points along Bath Road (e.g. at hotels, other car parks, car rental agencies etc) as far east as at least the Heathrow Academy - even further if memory serves me correctly. No plans to got to T4.

Hope that's of use to some/any of you?

Incidentally the view from the track at the end of 09L/27R is pretty good - straight down the runway. The BAA PRT manager told me that he expected spotters to time it exactly right so that they could get one of the vehicles to pass underneath an A380 either taking off or landing...any takers?


User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3417 times:



Quoting Chamone (Reply 7):
Incidentally the view from the track at the end of 09L/27R is pretty good - straight down the runway. The BAA PRT manager told me that he expected spotters to time it exactly right so that they could get one of the vehicles to pass underneath an A380 either taking off or landing...any takers?

Will spotters be able to use them,,, i mean if your not in the business car park, security would pick you up surely!!!

Quoting Chamone (Reply 7):
It is very interesting stuff - I have some photos (one here):

Pleas post more mate!


User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Quoting TiktokJAKE (Reply 8):
Will spotters be able to use them,,, i mean if your not in the business car park, security would pick you up surely!!!

My understanding was that although he wasn't condoning people using them for taking photos he didn't think it would be a massive problem as long as people were respectful of the point that they are meant for paying customers using the Car Park - i.e. do not disrupt the operations and get in the way of the people who are supposed to use them.

Equally, if people are desperate to get a photo opportunity like that, you could always get a car load of spotters and share the cost of parking - from what I understand there is no limit on the number of trips that you can make as a customer (but I imagine that this would be reviewed if people are causing a nuisance).

Quoting TiktokJAKE (Reply 8):
Pleas post more mate!

Would love to, but my data limit is almost reached (these photo's are massive in size) and I'm unsure about the rules on posting links to external data storage sites...[will have a look]

[Edited 2009-05-16 11:53:34]

User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting Chamone (Reply 9):
Would love to, but my data limit is almost reached (these photo's are massive in size) and I'm unsure about the rules on posting links to external data storage sites...[will have a look]

Thanks anywayy, your a dude!


User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

OK, here are a few more - no where near as high quality but they'll give you the idea...

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If you've got more questions, just ask. I'll try my best to answer.


User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Thank you SOOOO much for the photos, i dont know how i could ever repay you hahahaha! Errr just a few questions
1) Why no link with T4
2) Could the ULTra EVER (20 years) connect Heathrow to London !
3) How long is the journey from A/B to T5!
4) What does the station at T5 look like?
Sorry, soo many questions ! =)


User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3307 times:



Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 12):
1) Why no link with T4

The distance is too great and the cost of building it would be too high - not enough benefit (i.e. passengers).

Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 12):
2) Could the ULTra EVER (20 years) connect Heathrow to London !

Not this system - would be exceptionally expensive, would not have the capacity to do it and already competes with three rail services (possibly 4 if HS2 gets built). Journey times would certainly be much longer than Heathrow Connect and Express.

Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 12):
3) How long is the journey from A/B to T5!

5 minutes roughly

Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 12):
4) What does the station at T5 look like?

It is contained within the multi-storey car park opposite T5 - similar look to the inside of the ones at the car park. Interestingly, it could potentially terminate INSIDE T5 on the departures level with minimal construction work or alterations to T5 itself.


User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3294 times:



Quoting Chamone (Reply 13):
It is contained within the multi-storey car park opposite T5 - similar look to the inside of the ones at the car park. Interestingly, it could potentially terminate INSIDE T5 on the departures level with minimal construction work or alterations to T5 itself.

Anything planned?

Sorry one more question...

Could they build an UNDERGROUND PRT system ?


User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

More than happy to answer...

Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 14):
Anything planned?

Not sure - I don't work for BAA or ULTra, but there were no hints that this was on the cards at the moment since this is purely a trial. If successful, then yes, I would imagine that that would happen in the long run simply due to the increased convenience and the release of the car parking space currently taken up in the multi-storey.

Quoting Tiktokjake (Reply 14):
Could they build an UNDERGROUND PRT system ?

In a word, yes. However, construction underground is phenomenally expensive and takes considerably longer (look at crossrail). There are also more health and safety regulations to comply with.

The only reason I know most of this is because I am now seen as our 'guru' at work (not out of choice) and have been tasked with assessing its feasibility as Public Transport in the West Midlands.


User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Thanks for answering my MANY questions Chamone Big grin

User currently offlineSR183 From Switzerland, joined Apr 2009, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

PRT is another reason to keep visiting LHR..I simply love the rush and chaos at LHR, which is the most interesting international airport in the world.. I was neither informed about PRT nor its deployment at LHR and that even by BAA, which is not among the greatest organizations in the world..sorry.. Wink So I had the feeling of 'ignorance is bliss' Big grin . I was highly impressed by the videos and photos of PRT. The last time I had this 'wow' impression was when Microsoft announced their cool product called 'Surface'  Smile

More photos can be found from this page: http://www.atsltd.co.uk/media/pictures/heathrow-project/

And more about this innovative company can be read here: http://www.atsltd.co.uk/company/history/

 bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Hang on, hang on. Are you saying they've actually built the mfers? Where are they are why didn't I know about it?

User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

When are they due to OPEN to customers??

User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2983 times:



Quoting TiktokJAKE (Reply 19):
When are they due to OPEN to customers??

Apparently not until September / October. I think they are still having nightmares about the whole T5 opening fiasco and could not risk having a problem with this as well.

My understanding is that they will be conducting "Full" trials this time - attempting to replicate exact numbers of passengers based on surveys of arrival times at the car parks. These tests are likely to be conducted by BAA & BA staff members - but was told that if some of those on the conference would like to participate, that may be able to happen (with prior agreement) - probably in July or August.

So quite a way off yet. Partly because they do not have all of the vehicles yet and there is still some construction on-going and would have to wait until it is declassified as a construction site.


User currently offlineTiktokJAKE From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Owwwww, i am flying from T5 in August and will be in Business car park. Any chance of earlier opening?

User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2935 times:



Quoting TiktokJAKE (Reply 21):
Owwwww, i am flying from T5 in August and will be in Business car park. Any chance of earlier opening?

I wouldn't say never, but the chances are very slim, purely because it hasn't yet been fully built, let alone tested and that will take some time to prove reliability and that it can handle the projected volumes of passengers.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting Chamone (Reply 20):
My understanding is that they will be conducting "Full" trials this time - attempting to replicate exact numbers of passengers based on surveys of arrival times at the car parks. These tests are likely to be conducted by BAA & BA staff members - but was told that if some of those on the conference would like to participate, that may be able to happen (with prior agreement) - probably in July or August.

No opportunity for public participation?


User currently offlineChamone From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2703 times:



Quoting Glom (Reply 23):
No opportunity for public participation?

No mention was made of general public trials. However, as I have said before, I am not an insider on this project and can only go off what I was told about a month or so ago. I would imagine that the first public usage will be when it goes into 'normal' operation with those parking in that car park.

But, you never know, they may request people to trial it. Just keep a good eye out and check BAA's website I guess. I'm sure someone will post if they see something.


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