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"We Almost Ran Out Of Gas"  
User currently offlineMUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15299 times:

So the Milwaukee Brewers top minor league prospect was just called up to the majors, and they had a posting on the Brewers Blog about his flight. Here's the link: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/45040062.html

Fair use:

Quote:
“The plane almost ran out of gas,” said Gamel, who was called up from Class AAA Nashville earlier in the day. “We were waiting out a storm. Around Chicago it was pretty scary. The plane started shaking. I don’t really like flying, period.

“They told us when we got to the runway (in Milwaukee) they couldn’t taxi to the gate because the plane ran out of gas. It’s lucky we landed when we did or I might not be talking to you now. We had to wait for some one to hook us up and drive us to the gate. It was a fiasco.”

Now I know that his version of the story isn't right and this is a nervous flier misinterpreting what the pilot said. But I am curious, anyone know why this flight would have been towed off the runway? Thanks.

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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15227 times:



Quoting MUWarriors (Thread starter):
"They told us when we got to the runway (in Milwaukee) they couldn't taxi to the gate because the plane ran out of gas..."

My signature notwithstanding, I can't help feeling someone's head would would roll if that were really the case.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15026 times:

According to the quotes attributed to him above, he says that they almost ran out of gas and also says that they did run out of gas. I don't know why they supposedly had to be towed to a gate (hydraulic system issue?), or if they really did, but I find it difficult to take his statements at face value.

User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7129 posts, RR: 87
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15026 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 1):
I can't help feeling someone's head would would roll if that were really the case

More than a feeling! It's a violation to share this type of information with the entire plane. Going below your FAR reserves will earn you ticket to first class FAA investigation.

Did this come off this guys Twitter page or something? Part 91 operator? The article is vague.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineIFly2Eat From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

To clarify, the FAR's do not state how much gas you have to arrive at the destination with. It only states minimum LEGAL RESERVES (depending on the type of operation.) Of course, the FAA can always hit you with the "careless and reckless operation of an aircraft."


Fly the friendly skys and stay out of mine.
User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1248 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12795 times:

You may not plan to burn your reserves, but if all hell is breaking loose, and u have to to get on the ground, so be it


Nobody screws you better than an airline job!
User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12668 times:

Anyone recall the 707 that ran low on fuel and did not declare an emergency? They crash landed in the New York area. I think in the early '70s.


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User currently offlineRefmannc From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12465 times:
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Avianca crash on Long Island: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52

User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11846 times:



Quoting Refmannc (Reply 7):
Avianca crash on Long Island

I still remember that one - came down about 3 miles from my house. Spent the night watching all manner of emergency vehicles run past the house.



KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3523 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11001 times:



Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 6):
Anyone recall the 707 that ran low on fuel and did not declare an emergency? They crash landed in the New York area.

They didn't "crash land", they crashed.

But yes, it's obviously *possible* to run very low on fuel and then land without incident. Even possible that you then run out of fuel on rollout. But still not very likely. Avianca flight 52 was actually on its second approach, and may very well have run out of fuel taxiing to the gate if they'd landed the first time. Not something you hear about very often.

Could have happened to this plane here, but I doubt it. Sounds like just a nervous flier.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10470 times:



Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 9):
Could have happened to this plane here, but I doubt it. Sounds like just a nervous flier.

Like I said earlier, I also doubt it. Gamel never said whether he was on a private plane, or a scheduled airline, and absent pesky litttle details like that, his account sounds like it's a tad embellished. If a scheduled Part 121 Domestic/Flag airline flight (which Avianca 52 wasn't, for those who may not know) ran out of fuel, believe me, people would be hearing about it, especially within the airline dispatcher community.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10003 times:

Haha good start rook. The PR dept. should love that!  Wink I hope Gamel can hit better than he can speak in public. GO CREW!!! O wait... rain-out...  melting   redflag 


If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9802 times:

According to this article it would have been on Wednesday, not Thursday
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/colu...ates/index.php?ntid=451216&ntpid=1
The article also says it was a commercial jet, so I'm guessing it's this one
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20090514/0126Z/KBNA/KMKE
which was 2:03. The average looks to be around 1:20. Would 43 minutes of flying burn through most of the reserves?


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

This guys does not like to fly. He is a professional baseball player in Milwaukee. He better hope they play only home games with the possible exception of the odd road game all the way to Wrigley Field.  sarcastic 


Flying is the second greatest thrill known to mankind, landing is the first!
User currently offlineJayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting Max550 (Reply 12):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...2/history/20090514/0126Z/KBNA/KMKE
which was 2:03.

The average looks to be around 1:20. Would 43 minutes of flying burn through most of the reserves?

While we can't be sure if that was the flight he was on...I do want to share this:

Without sharing more detail than I'm allowed regarding a particular flight, I CAN tell you that the flight was well planned by an experienced dispatcher, had a solid alternate, and landed with more than enough fuel to provide the crew with options if MKE continued to be impacted by storms. It also took a 12 minute taxi to the gate...normal for the prevailing conditions at the time.

Sounds like someone is *gasp* embellishing their story a little for dramatic effect...or someone (probably not a crew member) made a joke regarding the length of time they were holding that was taken seriously by a nervous/inexperienced flyer.



[Edited 2009-05-15 23:14:23]

User currently offlineHaynflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7998 times:

I'm wondering if Milwaukee has "tow-in" gates where the aircraft is stopped on the apron and engines are shut down then the aircraft is towed the last few yards to the gate. The pilot makes an announcement ahead of time so people don't all get up when they hear the engines run down and maybe in this case also made a joke about "running out of gas" because the flight lasted so long.

I had that experience (without the "running out of gas" comment) with a tow-in gate at EWR and I think at LAX as well. Just a thought....



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4486 times:



Quoting Max550 (Reply 12):
The article also says it was a commercial jet, so I'm guessing it's this one



Quoting Max550 (Reply 12):
According to this article it would have been on Wednesday, not Thursday

You are correct on both points. The Nashville Sounds had a day game Wens. and it was over at about 2p....the storms came through MKE that night. I was watching the Brewers game commented on the storm outside .....you could even see the lightening flashes in the stands and hear the crowd ' ooooh' and 'aahh'



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2633 times:



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
you could even see the lightening flashes in the stands and hear the crowd ' ooooh' and 'aahh'

It for sure sounded a lot worse in the stands then it actually was. I thought people were going to start bolting for the stands by the way it sounded, but it wasn't really that bad. You did get more 'ooohs' and 'ahhhs' for "Trevor Time"  Smile



If Your not pissed, your not trying
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2553 times:



Quoting IFly2Eat (Reply 4):
To clarify, the FAR's do not state how much gas you have to arrive at the destination with. It only states minimum LEGAL RESERVES (depending on the type of operation.) Of course, the FAA can always hit you with the "careless and reckless operation of an aircraft."

Maybe, I don't know. However, I'm pretty sure it's a big deal if you land with insufficient fuel to taxi to the gate. It means you were seconds away from running out of fuel in the air and that has to be a big deal... surely.

Quoting JayDub (Reply 14):
Sounds like someone is *gasp* embellishing their story a little for dramatic effect...or someone (probably not a crew member) made a joke regarding the length of time they were holding that was taken seriously by a nervous/inexperienced flyer.

That's where my money would be.


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