OkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 603 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 15158 times:
Thanks for sharing that link! It was really nice seeing those pics from so long time ago!
I love the pictures of the Finn Hostesses, and I love the whole idea! It was very glamour like back then =) Finn Hostesses were introduced for the JFK route to work in First Class. They all had an evening gown like unifrom, and every year course would have diferent gown to wear. Every Finn Hostess had a brooch, which you can see on one of the pictures. This was to identify them as Finn Hostesses, and it was worn with proud
There are some funny stories of what Finn Hostesses heard from passengers regarding the dress. A story tells that one time an American lady stopped an FN and said she has been observing the FN during the flight and can not belive how good hearted person she is helping out the flight attendants in their hard work. Another lady commented on the FN dress and said "it's beautiful, did you buy it while in Seattle?" (This was when AY was flying there).
The position of FN was stopped when AY introduced new career path choises for cabin crew. FN position was stopped. It was replaced by Service Chef position, which a ca could choose if she did not want to take the more managerial path and become first Assistant Purser and finally a Purser. Now a days also Service Chef position has been stopped, and AY cabin crew are either normal ca's or Pursers.
Indeed the silver-colour-uniform was hot and was not very liked by the crew. It was changed later to a beige unifrom.
For the first 15 years, the JFK route was not direct, but had a stop over either in Copenhagem Amsterdam or Montreal. In 1984 the route became direct.
AY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 14920 times:
Thank You so much for the wonderful post!
I worked for Finnair from 1972 - 1975, at Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, in a postion called "Traffic Officer" in those days. Yous photos bring back to me so many wonderful memories. We got to know a lot of the crew members, who would stay in Amsterdam for one or two nights, as there was a crew change there. The flights operated HEL-AMS-JFK or HEL-CPH-AMS-JFK.
It was an exciting time, especially when the aircraft pulled up to the gate. It was a combi aircraft, carrying a mix of passengers/freight in the upper compartment. During most operations, the aircraft would pull in parallel to the terminal building, rather that nose first. This would enable the jetway to be hooked up to the rear door, through with the passenger disembarked and boarded. The cargo door was located at the front of the wing, and the cargo pallet loader would have room to pull up between the aircraft and the terminal building. Oh, how I wish that I had taken photos at that time!
Often, when the aircraft pulled in, it would draw quite a crowd. It was a very unusual sight to see the cargo being loaded into the front of the aircraft. We got a lot of questions, often from some very uneasy-looking passengers. Most often, though, people were just curious. I remember the smallest passenger configurations was 66 or 62 economy seats, and 8 cargo pallets in the front. Most common seemed to be 3 or 5 cargo pallets, and a mix of 12F and the number in Y I don't remember exactly. The largest passenger configuration was 189y, all one cabin, no cargo, and no partitions. Still, with the Finnair colour schemes, it was not an unattractive cabin.
I actually took the flight to JFK a few times, and the service was excellent. In those days, there was absolutely no chance of an employee riding in First Class, unless a company executive on business. Often, though, the flights would run empty in F. It was rare to get one or two paying passengers up front.
Like I say, I wish that I had taken photos. I also wish that I had saved some copies of the sheets which showed the various configurations, and the seating and galley plans.
The DC10 service took over from the DC8-62 at about the beginning of April in 1975.
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Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 14464 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 9): That must have been the coolest ticket office around. Was it a Finnish Architect that designed it?
I believe AY offices were all Finnish design, there were kind of showrooms for Finnish products that time. That was the golden time of Finnish desing and architecture. Those white bubble chairs from the Finnish designer Eero Aarnio came to market in late 1960's and the chairs have become back to fashion, used at HEL also.
One little detail:
The Finn Hostesses wore a silver Space Age pin designed by Finnish Björn Weckström, his Space jewelry was later seen in the Star Wars movie, worn by Princess Leya
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 13825 times:
Quoting AY104 (Reply 8): Like I say, I wish that I had taken photos. I also wish that I had saved some copies of the sheets which showed the various configurations, and the seating and galley plans.
Yes would cool to see more retro stuff like this.
I had a chance to fly DC-8 once as a little boy in 1978, an AY charter HEL-YVR-HEL, but no photos unfortunately... It was my first flight abroad, the plane felt huge and everything was as exiting as it can get!
OkAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 603 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 13782 times:
Quoting Andaman (Reply 12): AY still have some 1960's designs left, they use the same Finnish Ultima Thule glasses in C class than back in 1969.
Ultima Thule was indeed designed specially for Finnair and for the opening of the JFK route. It was designed by Tapio Wirkkala, who also designed the old Finlandia vodka bottle, now replaced with new design, though. The Ultima Thule set was popular among the passengers, resulting in Iittala opening a shop in New York so people could buy them in America.
ItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 13608 times:
WOW....epic shots! thanks for sharing!!! Those evening gowns must have been fun to serve in lol....but man that is CLASS.
Quick question about the DC-8 overhead bins....how come some are closed and some are open racks? Were the closed and latched ones where the liferafts were kept? Just curious, as I have seen that before in 60s and 70s cabin shots on the DC8 and 707.
Gardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 13567 times:
Wow. Thanks for sharing this. Nice to see how air travel was once so glamorous! Finnish design is still very cutting edge.
Those leather skirts though are something else - could easily be an entrant in the Eurovison Song Contest.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23184 posts, RR: 23 Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 13421 times:
Quoting AY104 (Reply 8): It was a combi aircraft, carrying a mix of passengers/freight in the upper compartment.
In addition to the 3 factory-delivered DC-8-62CF combis, AY also acquired one all-passenger -62 from UTA in 1975. It later operated for Finnish charter carrier Kar-Air which I believe was then partly-owned by AY (later fully-owned). It's last operator was US cargo carrier ABX Air.
The 3 combis were sold to the French Air Force. They were converted to -72CFs with CFM56 engines. Only 7 of the 110 -60-series DC-8s that underwent the CFM56 conversion were the short-fuselage -62 model, including the 3 ex-AY aircraft. The French Air Force sold 2 of their 3 -72CFs to US cargo/charter carrier Air Transport International. I believe both have recently been retired, although ATI still has a few DC-6-62/72 combis in service with about 30 passenger seats in the rear cabin. They're probably the only DC-8s that still occassionally carry passengers on military charters etc., apart from a few remaining DC-8s in VIP configuration.
I don't remember ever seeing a lounge on those aircraft. I just remember, when there was an F-Class in the configuration, there was a galley just behind the bulkhead, which separated the passenger cabin from the cargo section. Then there were, of course, the 12 F-Class seats, then another bulkhead and the economy class.
I never did see a full passenger configuration with F/Y. The only time we saw the full pax configuration was in the all Y version. The odd time, the aircraft that we got with the full Y configuration, had come in to HEL late off a charter flight, with no time to reconfigure it to the combi version. Those aircraft were utilized to max. Often and overnight charter from HEL to the Mediterranean, then return, and off to JFK that day.
The most interesting configuration of any aircraft that I saw, was a DC9 10 or 20 series. It was a substitution for one of the Caravelles. The aircraft had been used for one of President Kekkonen's trips, and they didn't have time to change the configuration. Normally the small DC9 had 80Y seats, on this day was the special configuration up front, and a very tiny Y section.
I could go on and on. I was only in my early 20's at the time, and to have such a job far from home in Vancouver, was like a dream come true for me. Finnair was a great company to work for, and I got to know the station manager in New York and his wife. There would have been a chance for me to work in New York as well, but I returned to Vancouver in 1975 as my father had passed away the year before.
Thanks for bringing back wonderful memories for me. I think of those days often, and air travel in the 60's and 70's, and all my coworkers, the Finnair crews with whom I made friends.
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25 Andaman: Yes perhaps lounge is a wrong word here, though "bar and social spaces" were mentioned: "The crew’s uniforms were designed in the spirit of the Spa