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Biman And The B777  
User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

What is the current update on the proposed Biman acquisition of B777/787? Was it successful? Do they have any on order?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9490 times:



Quoting Dirkou (Thread starter):
What is the current update on the proposed Biman acquisition of B777/787? Was it successful? Do they have any on order?

Boeing orders/deliveries data on their website shows BG with orders for 4 777-300ER, 4 787-8, and 2 737-800. The 777s and 787s were ordered in April 2008 and the 737s in June 2008.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

It has also been reported that Biman are receiving some ex-SQ 777-200ERs this year. Their first (line number 83) was built in 1997.

User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9277 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 4):
It has also been reported that Biman are receiving some ex-SQ 777-200ERs this year. Their first (line number 83) was built in 1997.

And just exactly how will they be filling all these seats ? Do they really need all this lift to this place?


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9214 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 5):
Quoting PM (Reply 4):
It has also been reported that Biman are receiving some ex-SQ 777-200ERs this year. Their first (line number 83) was built in 1997.

And just exactly how will they be filling all these seats ? Do they really need all this lift to this place?

Yes, it's a poor country, but it has a population around 60% of that of the USA - 153 million estimated. I'm guessing, (and I can't find any stats) but I'd bet that the country had a middle class that was larger than the population of Australia. I know that India's middle class now numbers 200 million plus and we can see the effect of that with the explosion of air travel there in the last few years.



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User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8703 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 3):
And just exactly how will they be filling all these seats ? Do they really need all this lift to this place?

Gotta love people like this  Embarrassment

Anyways, hasnt Biman trying for the past 2-3 years to purchase new aircraft yet hold back?? If they dont go ahead with purchasing new aircraft, perhaps they should look at acquiring leased birds so they can get rid of the A310s and DC-10s and look at improve the airline.  Smile


User currently offlinePsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8685 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 6):
Anyways, hasnt Biman trying for the past 2-3 years to purchase new aircraft yet hold back?? If they dont go ahead with purchasing new aircraft, perhaps they should look at acquiring leased birds so they can get rid of the A310s and DC-10s and look at improve the airline.

I believe Bimans A310s will stay for the moment, since they recently contracted to lease another A310-300 for delivery next month bringing its fleet to 3 of the type.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8643 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 3):
And just exactly how will they be filling all these seats ? Do they really need all this lift to this place?

Might it be possible that you are unfamiliar with the widespread diaspora of Bangladeshis who make good livings around the world and wish to return home from time to time? In the UK alone there is a substantial and wealthy Bangladeshi community. Moreover, Bangladesh is not alone in being a poor, developing country which sees economic benefits in maintaining reliable air links to wealthier places. Ethiopia and Kenya immediately come to mind and there are others.

I used to live in a tropical developing country with a very similar per capita GDP to that in Bangladesh and we had several daily widebody flights in and out to numerous destinations. The planes were full. Yes, they did need so much lift to 'that place'.

Emirates alone fly a dozen times a week to Dhaka. Singapore fly in five times a week. Cathay fly in five times a week. That's more than twenty flights a week with the first three airlines I bothered checking. I'm sure there are many others. Why shouldn't Biman want a slice of that?

I recommend a little thought and research before your next knee-jerk reaction.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8245 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 8):

Agreed. DAC is a cash-cow for everyone who goes there. However, BG has a poor reputation, and it would take more than a few ex-SQ 777s to reverse this. IIRC no one even wants to buy out BG-it's destitute when it comes to the real world.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7900 times:

I do think they'll have trouble filling 77W's as they'll be competing on long-haul to the west against EK and to the east against SQ which together will/can take passengers anywhere on the globe.

Mind you, there have been stories reported on this site of EK cabin crew being 'too good' for their Bengali charges.

I wish them all the best but feel that 5 x 787-9 and 5 x 787-8 would have been more prudent, cost effective and easier to maintain while allowing for more frequency.

MH



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8677 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6378 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 3):

I am deeply disrespected as I have friends that live there. Just because they are struggling still doesn't mean airlines like Binmann and others can fill seats. Like every airline they are trying to improve themselves but doing so in small seteps. I agree with PM and suggest you do more research before you say such henius things. If you took the time to research these things, you would find that they indeed can fill those seats.

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
Might it be possible that you are unfamiliar with the widespread diaspora of Bangladeshis who make good livings around the world and wish to return home from time to time? In the UK alone there is a substantial and wealthy Bangladeshi community. Moreover, Bangladesh is not alone in being a poor, developing country which sees economic benefits in maintaining reliable air links to wealthier places. Ethiopia and Kenya immediately come to mind and there are others.

Well said sir and I completely agree.

KH



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User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

What are Biman current international destinations? And they do those flights with what aircraft?

User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1635 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6117 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 7):
Emirates alone fly a dozen times a week to Dhaka.

And are chocka on our 2 class 400+ capacity 773 at that.  Smile

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 9):
Mind you, there have been stories reported on this site of EK cabin crew being 'too good' for their Bengali charges.

Unfortunately there are some bad apples and said incident supposedly happened a year or two back. Things are improving at EK in terms of service, recent trip reports about us are further evidence of this. I for one don't think I'm too good for our Bangladesh bound passengers.  Smile



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User currently offlineDash8Pilot From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Can Biman fill up its seats on new 777s and 787s, of course it can its filling up all its seats on the DC10 and A310.. Yes its true people from Bangladesh are poor but they pay the same price for airline tickets and sometimes more as everyone else. For this reason they want service, that EK and SQ can provide. EK flies to Dhaka 21 times a week and still hasn't realized that they need more than 2 cabin crew who can speak Bangla for 250+ pax. EK crews often complain that the flight to Dhaka is horrible, probably if they could explain to passengers in Bangla the flight would be much more enjoyable. For this reason people feel more at home when on Biman. Now will Biman improve as an airline because of a few 777s now thats a different question.

User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

I have taken Biman in 2003 between DAC and KTM, they transport a lot of Nepalese hard labour workers to the Middle East. I think they shouldn't have problems filling their flights, although the passengers may not be high yield.

User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1635 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4710 times:



Quoting Dash8Pilot (Reply 13):
EK flies to Dhaka 21 times a week and still hasn't realized that they need more than 2 cabin crew who can speak Bangla for 250+ pax. EK crews often complain that the flight to Dhaka is horrible, probably if they could explain to passengers in Bangla the flight would be much more enjoyable

Given that we usually have at least one or two language speakers on these flights and that SQ has none, I don't think that's the real root of the problem. I know that SQ crew aren't particularly fond of operating the flight either (it is pretty taxing for them, it's an all night turnaround flight) but the trick is they don't seem to let it show. When I used to fly to Dhaka reasonably often on SQ, the DAC flights were always a notch below SQ's normally high standards, but crew were never rude on the flights (with one blaring exception which was by far the worst SQ flight I've ever been on). My experience on TG however on the Dhaka runs is that the crew immediately switch off service mode and pretty much bark orders at passengers and don't crack a smile till they return to Bangkok in the evening. But that's just my experience with them.

Now the one incident that was cited here some time ago that occurred on an EK flight to DAC was I think an isolated one, and I've personally done this flight twice and both times didn't notice fellow crew being rude or demeaning to passengers. These flights aren't on the top of my list of favorite flights to work, but that doesn't mean I can't provide good service on those flights...



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4687 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 7):

I used to live in a tropical developing country with a very similar per capita GDP to that in Bangladesh and we had several daily widebody flights in and out to numerous destinations.

Fiji?


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4666 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 8):
However, BG has a poor reputation, and it would take more than a few ex-SQ 777s to reverse this

Very true. I had to work in Dhaka a couple years back (was there during the uproar that shut down the country for a few days...that was interesting), and I ended up getting in/out via Dragonair between Dhaka and Hong Kong. No way in heck I was going to touch Biman. Getting some decent a/c is a start, but I still think next time I have to go back (perhaps later this year), I'll keep my eyes on Dragonair/Cathay and Emirates, depending on where I am coming from.


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4414 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 17):
No way in heck I was going to touch Biman

With their present fleet, the only reason I would fly with Biman is for the love of trijets!


User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Biman transports lots of workers to and from Bangladesh. For that they need airliners with many seats and low operating costs, I think the 777 is perfect for that. Companies that are employing the workers pay the tickets and they only care about price, and that's how Biman competes with EK, SQ and others.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3753 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Fiji?

Tanzania!  Big grin


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2911 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
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I would love to fly Biman, especially in first. I know it doesn't look like the safest or most forward airline but i don't recall an incident at all. I assume their safety record must be good.
The one thing I have always wondered is the origin of their name? Does anyone know that history?



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3575 times:



Quoting VC10er (Reply 21):
The one thing I have always wondered is the origin of their name? Does anyone know that history?

The word "BIMAN" means aeroplane in Bengali, the language native to Bangladesh.



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