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New Zealand Aviation #56  
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11818 times:

Welcome to the 56th edition.
The 55th edition,
http://airliners.net/aviation-forums...eneral_aviation/read.main/4401867/
discussed;
The NZ uniforms
preferred seats on NZ 774/772
DJ E190 tour and possibilities
ZEAL F/A dispute
NZ Domestic Timetable changes
NZ Trans Tasman service / strategy
NZ/DJ/JQ competition
Full service versus Low Cost Carrier
New NZ Ad
Improved NZ Trans Tasman meals
NZ Long Haul Premium fares
NZ 733/320 replacement
AKL-CNS flights
WLG airport adventures

Cleared for takeoff!

[Edited 2009-05-18 10:48:10]

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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Not sure if this has been discussed before. If one searches for AKL-HKG-PEK return with NZ, the HKG-PEK leg used to be on KA flights, now it has changed to CA. Since CA is in Star Alliance, the reason behind this change is quite obvious. Considering KA has a much better reputation than CA, this may not be a good change. On the other hand, if taking the option AKL-NRT-PEK with NZ, the NRT-PEK leg is with JL rather than NH. It seems there is no cooperation between NH and NZ at all? While CA and NH are both in Star, JL and KA are both One World, this seems to be a strange arrangement.

User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Perhaps the NRT/PEK is some marketing agreement as JL codeshare on all AirNZ flights operated to/from Japan?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Would it be something to do with a government agreement (JL situation).

Both airlines being the main flag carrier, maybe it was a govt restriction or something?


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11691 times:

was reading the NZ Herald yesterday on line and there was a hint on NZ staff pay rise hike that they are closely looking at more cuts to both domestic and international flights due to softening demand within the next two weeks.

Any speculation on what International flights will be cut?. I understand the bottom has really dropped out of the Japanese market – not just NZ, but most other airlines

I imagine J is really suffering, though PE is picking up much of the slack.



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User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

I think the reason for NZ codesharing with JL not NH was because of the fear that JL might enter the New Zealand market. Both airlines are happy with status quo so there is no need to change. JL also requires NZ to fly direct to CHC as part of the agreement otherwise the Japanese flights would be non-stop to AKL as well.

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11620 times:



Quoting 767ER (Reply 4):
Any speculation on what International flights will be cut?.

Perhaps both LAX flights will go to 777 and KIX/NRT will be cut back?


User currently offlineDarenw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11599 times:



Quoting 767ER (Reply 4):
was reading the NZ Herald yesterday on line and there was a hint on NZ staff pay rise hike that they are closely looking at more cuts to both domestic and international flights due to softening demand within the next two weeks.

Well Rarotonga won't be one of them.

This is refreshing to see

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/about...recession-free-country-18may09.htm


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5337 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11456 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 6):
Perhaps both LAX flights will go to 777 and KIX/NRT will be cut back?

Probably not likely with LAX atleast, NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR will stay 744 with NZ38/39 AKL-HKG-LHR staying a 772. KIX should be cut and only hangs ondue to the JAL deal though they will try a retimed flight overnight ex AKL to try and get more connecting pax. Maybe they will keep the 763 on the NRT run?

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 5):
JL also requires NZ to fly direct to CHC as part of the agreement otherwise the Japanese flights would be non-stop to AKL as well.

When KIX is retimed in December the CHC stop has dissapeared, still there for NRT.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11395 times:
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Flew back to WLG from BNE today and the loads were again fairly good considering NZ are reporting softening demand on Tasman flights. J had 2 empty seats while Y had around 90% empty seats. Certainly loved the gate2gate entertainment. I got some close up pics of the terminal extensions at WLG today, so will post those later on.

Read in The Australian today that about 1000 NZ staff will be getting a pay freeze till end of 2010


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11386 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
I got some close up pics of the terminal extensions at WLG today, so will post those later on.

Yeah I'm sure you'd get better pics than what I got! That rock looks like it'll be rather extravagant.. I'm also interested by their 2030 airport plan they currently have in the check in area and by the look of things, the whole domestic side is up for a major revamp.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11364 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
On the other hand, if taking the option AKL-NRT-PEK with NZ, the NRT-PEK leg is with JL rather than NH. It seems there is no cooperation between NH and NZ at all? While CA and NH are both in Star



Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 5):
I think the reason for NZ codesharing with JL not NH was because of the fear that JL might enter the New Zealand market.

IIRC Japan still goes in for rather old fashioned and restrictive bilaterals ... I believe that the Japan - New Zealand bilateral actually specifies JL as the only designated carrier between Japan and New Zealand from the Japanese end ... if that is correct then NZ could not choose to codeshare with NH between New Zealand and Japan. NZ is the only *A carrier at NRT to not operate according to the 'under one roof' policy ( presumably because of the codeshare with JL ) , and therefore it would be difficult to make onward connections on NH rather than JL . I think it very unlikely that JL would choose to re-enter the New Zealand market with it's own metal even if the NZ/JL codeshare were to end . I suspect that , if the relevant bilaterals permit , they would be far more likely to start up a codeshare arrangement with QF over BNE/SYD to New Zealand



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11337 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):

The flight parked at the gate directly beside the construction, so got a real good upclose look. The walk to Customs simply felt like we were being guided through a maze as we walked along hallways that non airport staff go through.

WLG IMHO is worst then AKL and CHC in terms of waiting for your luggage


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11314 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):

I got one view through the fence from the other side of the runway (wasn't great) and another on the way to the terminal. A blue frame which doesn't look like much right now.

I've never flown internationally out of any other New Zealand airport but AKL and I thought that waiting for my luggage there was bad enough!



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User currently offlineBlackLabel From New Zealand, joined Jan 2008, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11292 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Flew back to WLG from BNE today and the loads were again fairly good considering NZ are reporting softening demand on Tasman flights. J had 2 empty seats while Y had around 90% empty seats.

90% empty seats is 'fairly good' load?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11252 times:
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Quoting Cchan (Reply 1):
On the other hand, if taking the option AKL-NRT-PEK with NZ, the NRT-PEK leg is with JL rather than NH. It seems there is no cooperation between NH and NZ at all?

one other point I forgot to include in my previous reply .... I dont think connecting traffic is all that important for NZ with regard to their services to Japan , IIRC the services Northbound are all daylight flights arriving in too late to make same day connections to most destinations - this raises an interesting point . I wonder if NZ re-timed the flights to be Northbound overnight ( assuming that they could get slots ) would this help the viability of their Japan flights ?



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11247 times:

I've been waiting for the new thread to weigh in with some comments about the supposed "downgrade" of AKL-CNS services.

An old timetable from October 2000 shows the following:

NZ 109 Fridays 767-200 dep AKL 0620 arr CNS 0835
NZ110 Fridays 767-200 dep CNS0935 arr AKL 1715

What has happened in the intervening years (a switch to 4 weekly A320 services) is fascinating, and worth reflecting upon.

One of the most obvious things to say is that Air NZ has always tended to view services to Queensland as inbound leisure flights, and has only recently started to take seriously the idea of being a major international carrier for Queensland's 4.3 million citizens, whose combined GDP is 50% higher than New Zealand's ($187 billion to $115 billion).

In recent years, however, Far North Queensland has lost its upmarket Japanese visitors and is sagging downmarket. Qantas has decided to respond by going downmarket, first by putting Jetstar on long-haul flights from Japan, but has now rerouted both the daily NRT and KIX A330 from Cairns to the Gold Coast.

Meanwhile, however, Cairns and Townsville are blossoming into affluent little cities: their combined population is now over 300,000 - so almost as large as Christchurch or Wellington - but their significantly higher GDP means that financially they are the equal of Christchurch PLUS Dunedin, or Wellington PLUS Palmerston North AND Wanganui.

A couple of my schoolmates are now medical specialists in Cairns, and their industrial award includes almost $30,000 per year for travel to conferences and meetings. They really have two choices if they want to go to North America or even Europe: they can fly domestically on Qantas to Brisbane or Sydney, change terminals, go through security again and then fly on to LAX or HKG.

Or, and it's a much more popular choice, they can fly on an Air NZ A320 via AKL and onwards to LAX, SFO, YVR, HNL, HKG and beyond.

And this, as with Adelaide, is why Air NZ is cleaning up on its routes to secondary Australian cities. Residents don't want to fly to BNE/MEL/SYD and then have to connect by changing terminals, and so Air NZ don't just sell unprofitable $399 Tasman Smart Savers but also a lot of long-haul fares from $2500 in Economy through to $12,000 in Business Class.

This is less petty than it sounds. Connecting through the state capital (Brisbane) entails a railway journey between terminals and being processed through security again, and on the inward journey it also entails two sets of baggage reclaiming. And it's not even as if Brisbane is a short hop away: it's a 2.5 hour flight to/from Cairns.

Consider the two following options:

1. QANTAS TO LAX
QF799/15 dep CNS 0530 arr LAX 0700

(Sydney is an alternative, but only 15 minutes later - 0545 departure - and an even longer journey).

2. AIR NZ to LAX
NZ772/006 dep CNS 1130 arr LAX 1215

You would have to be severely mentally challenged to pick the Qantas option over Air NZ. It takes longer, you have to change terminals, and worst of all you have to check in no later than 0430 in the morning. This ensures that you are jet-lagged before you've even left the country!

One of my two schoolmates now lives at Palm Cove, and she has to set her alarm for 0230 if she wants to fly Qantas long-haul. Why would you bother, when Air NZ has a better product at a better time? In actual fact, a significant number of the medical specialists at Cairns actually now fly with Continental via Guam in preference to Qantas via Brisbane.

Meanwhile with Air NZ you don't have to be at the airport until 0930 in the morning, you don't have to see your luggage again til your final destination and you enjoy international-quality service all the way.

There are only 128 Business Class seats per month from Cairns to Auckland, but a very significant proportion are sold to North Queenslanders connecting long-haul at AKL.

Which is why four A320s per week work an awful lot better than a single 747-200 used to.

[Edited 2009-05-19 04:00:25]

[Edited 2009-05-19 04:04:29]

[Edited 2009-05-19 04:06:46]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11228 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 16):
Qantas has decided to respond by going downmarket, first by putting Jetstar on long-haul flights from Japan, but has now rerouted both the daily NRT and KIX A330 from Cairns to the Gold Coast.

So you're trying to say that Australian Airlines basically did nothing and it was Jetstar which sent them towards the LCC path? What was Australian Airlines' purpose then?

Quoting Koruman (Reply 16):
Which is why four A320s per week work an awful lot better than a single 747-200 used to.

Indeed. In some ways it was good for NZ to opt for frequency over size.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11212 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 16):
Meanwhile, however, Cairns and Townsville are blossoming into affluent little cities

Unfortunatley a lot of air services have been culled recently. Just take a look at how much international traffic is down in Cairns year on year...its quite sad really. Domestic, DJ have also cut back quite a few services... so hardly the gold mine you may suggest.


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11207 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 17):
So you're trying to say that Australian Airlines basically did nothing and it was Jetstar which sent them towards the LCC path? What was Australian Airlines' purpose then?

Australian Airlines started the rot. Qantas is a generally well-run airline, but suffers from having a very Sydney-centric model, as a result of which significant outbound markets such as Cairns and the Gold Coast have been abandoned to Jetstar, leaving well over half a million affluent people without full-service options.

The starkest evidence lies at Marina Mirage shopping centre at Port Douglas. I first visited in 1992, as a student, and couldn't even aspire to shop in the designer boutiques full of Japanese honeymooners. I last visited last October, and half the shops were boarded up and the other half were aimed at backpackers. Exhibit B is the Sheraton Mirage, now filled with Queenslanders having a cut-price weekend away or incentive travel for mid-level Australian salesmen.

The decision of Qantas to first use LCC subsidiaries from Japan to Cairns and then to abandon two thirds of those flights in favour of the Gold Coast has really, really wiped out the upper end of the tourist market.

And this should sound a word of warning to those on this board who hope to see Jetstar long-haul from New Zealand. After all, the sort of inbound tourists who fly Jetstar are so price-sensitive that they have nothing to offer Queenstown or Rotorua or Taupo.


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11197 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 18):
Unfortunatley a lot of air services have been culled recently. Just take a look at how much international traffic is down in Cairns year on year...its quite sad really. Domestic, DJ have also cut back quite a few services... so hardly the gold mine you may suggest.

I'm not suggesting that Cairns is a goldmine.

I'm suggesting that Qantas has destroyed its share of the long-haul market ex-CNS by

a) using Jetstar to operate all international services, and
b) having crappy flight times for connections at BNE or SYD.

And I'm saying that that has left a lovely little niche for Air New Zealand (and to a lesser extent Continental) to operate narrowbody aircraft a few times each week to their international hubs at AKL and GUM. And the winners are the residents of Far North Queensland, who now have better one-stop connections on NZ and CO across East Asia and North America than Qantas provides for residents of Brisbane!


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11197 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 19):
The starkest evidence lies at Marina Mirage shopping centre at Port Douglas. I first visited in 1992, as a student, and couldn't even aspire to shop in the designer boutiques full of Japanese honeymooners. I last visited last October, and half the shops were boarded up and the other half were aimed at backpackers



Quoting Koruman (Reply 19):
The decision of Qantas to first use LCC subsidiaries from Japan to Cairns and then to abandon two thirds of those flights in favour of the Gold Coast has really, really wiped out the upper end of the tourist market.

A possible case of post hoc ergo propter hoc ?

Is it possible that the collapse of the once high-spending Japanese market meant that CNS could no longer justify the higher cost mainline services rather than the other way around ? ( I am not saying that it is the case , I am just wondering whether you have any concrete evidence to show that A is the result of B rather than the other way around ? )



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11200 times:
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Is anyone (NZ insiders) able to explain why the Koru magazine has disappeared from the flights? On both of my BNE flights, the magazines were replaced with a slightly bigger in-flight entertainment mag with only the information on NZ like route maps, aircraft info etc featuring

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):

Would have thought that an airport the size of WLG would be able to get the bags to the passengers very quickly, but the wait at International is IMHO worse then AKL (even after the long haul flights). The bags finally starting arriving 20mins after disembarking

Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 14):

Sorry, 90% full. I re-worded it, but forgot to re-word the 90% part


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11192 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 19):

Oh ok. I wonder what got into QF management's head to clutter North Queensland with LCCs.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 19):
And this should sound a word of warning to those on this board who hope to see Jetstar long-haul from New Zealand. After all, the sort of inbound tourists who fly Jetstar are so price-sensitive that they have nothing to offer Queenstown or Rotorua or Taupo.

It could be different for the likes of AKL-HNL, but I really don't see them switching the AKL-LAX to JQ. But you may never know.. With JQ now operating SYD and OOL, what's next? A full takeover of Jetconnect by JQ?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
Is anyone (NZ insiders) able to explain why the Koru magazine has disappeared from the flights?

Still exists on domestic routes..

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
The bags finally starting arriving 20mins after disembarking

That still doesn't beat my A380 time! I guess it's different when you have a brand new aircraft and people are taking pictures of it before they open the belly up.

At least my bag was out within 5 minutes of disembarking in WLG!



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11179 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
Is it possible that the collapse of the once high-spending Japanese market meant that CNS could no longer justify the higher cost mainline services rather than the other way around ?

Yes, that's entirely possible - and if you recall I'm the first to say Air NZ should axe KIX and pool NRT services with FJ, SB and TN via NOU or NAN.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 23):
Oh ok. I wonder what got into QF management's head to clutter North Queensland with LCCs.

I'm not really knocking what Qantas has done: I'm saying that it has left NZ and CO with long-haul connection opportunities ex-CNS, and they are taking those opportunities.

But I am definitely saying that when LCCs entirely replace Qantas that stuffs up the market for top-end resorts. People don't fly long-haul on LCCs to go to Lizard Island or Hayman.

And just like Air NZ with Papeete, it looks from your ironic comment as if you are struggling to recognise that different leisure markets deliver different yields and require different services. Try googling Bale Port Douglas, Sea Temple Palm Cove, Sea Temple Port Douglas or Angsana Palm Cove, and then ask yourself whether any international visitors will be delivered by Jetstar International.

It's that whole yield-management on leisure routes issue, and QF has been no better with Cairns than Air NZ has been with PPT. The problem is that Cairns volumes are much higher than Port Douglas and Palm Cove volumes, and so the flights have been matched to that demand. But in actual fact, the yields from tourists headed to Port Douglas and Palm Cove are far more valuable, and the Qantas group has really struggled to provide services to those higher-yielding markets.


25 BlackLabel : Thought that might have been the case. Although, I would wonder how many of the business class pax were upgrades vs. revenue. I used to fly MEL-WLG w
26 777ER : Interesting, then why has the Tasman routes missed out?
27 Cchan : Was checking the RAR schedules and noticed NZ14/19 becomes 772 for a few weeks around Christmas. So does that mean the RAR-LAX leg can get busy too?
28 NZdsgnr : just an educated guess. now that the 767 and 320 have PTVs, the mags are not so much required, whereas the 737 still need some kind of entertainment.
29 ANstar : It was removed primarily to save weight on the aircraft. The IFE is now so comprehensive they don't require the magazine.
30 FlyPacificBlue : Pacific Blue have also cut back on flights to SYD and MEL from AKL beginning next month. Loads are just not favourable for DJ. Will mostly be the aft
31 777ER : IMHO its sad that NZ has removed the mags cause not everyone was watching their PTV on both flights. Why can't the mags then be loaded onto the IFE f
32 TG992 : Err.. because the people who don't use the PTVs still won't be able to see it! Seriously, PTV on aircraft generally have far too low-res screens to m
33 Post contains links and images MotorHussy : Anyone notice that CHC had the Ground Breaking ceremony yesterday for work starting on their new terminal. Mayor Bob Harvey shovelled a load of dirt f
34 Alangirvan : It is Mayor Bob Parker, unless he has had a name change recently. Remember, famous TV personality?
35 Alangirvan : Can you stock magazines that a.net people like to read, like Airways, Airliners, Australian Aviation, Airports, Airliner World, Flight International,
36 Axio : Be careful you'll get the Whenuapai supporters all manner of excited! Bob Harvey is the Mayor of Waitakere City ax
37 Alangirvan : Had a quick look at DJ schedules.. DJ have by far the smallest operation over the Tasman. Out of CHC, they have a big schedule to Queensland, but not
38 767ER : Too expensive. The only decent one they stock is' North & South' and the NZ Womens Wekkly which is good for a very quick browse.
39 Alangirvan : No, I wasn' t really expecting any aviation magazines - need to do mad rush into newsagents when going through an airport.
40 MotorHussy : Well spotted both of you. Of course it's not he of the Waitak's and Whenuapai International (LCC base) Airport Ltd. Bob Parker of course, don't know
41 PA515 : Regarding the new IFE seats acquired for OJL. Could these be fitted to a 733. I realise the 320 has a slightly wider cross section, but maybe not enou
42 Alangirvan : Waitakere is somewhere to the north of Christchurch, is it? Perhaps they would like to merge with Christchurch, rather than Auckland if anyone gives
43 NZ107 : No, I'm well aware that there are some very luxurious resorts and the like in North Queensland and there are also other less expensive options along
44 FlyPacificBlue : Thats a little under 1 crew member per passenger! I think the seriousness is there however no matter what the airline does in marketing etc, there ju
45 NZ1 : The 733 fleet will be reducing to 15 shortly, as ZK-FRE's lease is up. The IFE equipment destined for ZK-OJL is to be used as spares backup for the r
46 ANstar : Thats surprising as the afternoon flight normally has better loads. When will the changes be loaded on their site? You can still book those flights.
47 Alangirvan : Australian Airlines was just an operator of single class 767-300ERs, with 271 seats, and I think they did start using some Y+ seats towards the end.
48 Alangirvan : If Australia NZ flights become more like domestic flights, then that means frequency will be king. SYD-AKL is not quite as convenient as SYD-MEL/BNE
49 ANstar : Australian Airlines was bascialyl just QF with an all Y config. IE still full service, still QF flight deck & Cabin crew, With JQ it is all pay onboa
50 Alangirvan : I think Australian Airlines recruited its CC as new hires - with language skills. The pilots were regular Qantas pilots who were seconded to the Cair
51 777ER : Didn't notice any Kia Ora mags in the racks behind row 26 while waiting for the lav. Noticed at one of the BNE bookshops post secuirty that they had
52 ZKOJH : Air NZ adjust Auckland - Beijing schedule from Jul 09 As per GDS timetable display on 19MAY09, Air New Zealand starting 01JUL09 will be adjusting the
53 NZ1 : No not at this stage. We are trying to hold off repainting any more aircraft, except NGE, before the new livery is unveiled. NZ1
54 DJ738 : For travel to BNE, this is incorrect. DJ3234 to CHC is timed to connect near perfectly to DJ83 to BNE. You'd only spend approx two hours on the groun
55 777ER : Surprised NZ isn't interested in continuing with the holidays advertising right now - especially by not putting some decals like towards the back on
56 CHCalfonzo : DJ73 to SYD departs at 16.30 on Mondays and Tuesdays. This would work too
57 Post contains links and images 777ER : Here is the upclose pic of WLGs international terminal extensions
58 NZ1 : 3 aircraft to go. NZ1
59 MotorHussy : Upgrade or capacity increase? Be great if they're reconfiguring to 2-2/2-2 configuration rather than 3-3-3, but it's just a capacity increase no? MH
60 HLZCPH : A few more rows are getting put in as I remember. If we get a completed a/c, will get a chance to have a look as go to my Y seat to PVG!
61 Post contains links and images NZ747 : Whats the latest with NBS? Is it going to be scrapped in NZ or US? View Large View MediumPhoto © Jonathan Rankin Had many fond flights in her, sh
62 Alangirvan : I don't want to labour the point, but have you looked at the schedules for coming back from BNE to DUD? That cannot be done in a single day, using DJ
63 777ER : Could say capacity downgrade because several rows of Y are being removed for an increase in Y+ seating, with a few extras being added like a bigger s
64 NZ1 : It is to be flown to the USA hopefully next Friday. I won't reveal where yet as the contract has still to be signed, but it is to be parted out in ju
65 Post contains images CHCalfonzo : I believe there will be 3 dedicated domestic aero-bridges and 3 "swing" gates which can be used by domestic or international flights. It looks like 2
66 FlyPacificBlue : Not sure when changes will be made to website but it seems only a temporary cancellation of services for the month of June. DJ159 AKL-MEL, DJ158 MEL-
67 MotorHussy : Cool, so it is an upgrade. Looking forward to trying this new product. Will that many domestic bridges be enough? WLG has 5 dedicated domestic ones c
68 Alangirvan : The EK A380 will come to CHC because there is more for tourists to see in the South Island.
69 CHCalfonzo : Currently there are 11 international gates with 9 served by air-bridges and 5 domestic air-bridges making a total of 14. The new terminal appears to
70 777ER : WLG has 3 swing gates. All the domestic gates on the QF/JQ side are swing gates. The gates on NZs side are dedicated domestic. QF was using gate 21 (
71 NZ1 : Sorry buddy, but I never said that. You have quoted someone elses response, and added my name in there. NZ1
72 CHCalfonzo : Sorry, wasn't intended. Not sure how I managed to do that. Quote was from NZ747.
73 Post contains links QF45 : Not sure if this had been mentioned or not but a whole new beginning in advertising from Air New Zealand. Very cool. http://www.earthtimes.org/article
74 MotorHussy : Yes, very cool, thanks. What's the public reaction been like, do you know? Regards MH
75 QF45 : I'm not entirely sure but I am sure that it will be a winner for Air New Zealand in regards to brand recognition.
76 777ER : Tomorrow on Grab a Seat, NZ has Japan for $699 return
77 NZ107 : Probably really bad timing.. They should bring it down here! I'd love to see one of those billboards either in the middle of the city or by the airpo
78 ZKSUJ : Are all the 320s refitted with PTVs yet? Have a couple of flights on them early june, would be nice to get one
79 NZ107 : Pretty sure these were all completed before Christmas.. Oh, carrying on with that point, have they managed to fix the 763 bug yet?
80 777ER : Yes all A320s have PTVs. I was on -OJN on Tuesday coming back from BNE and it had PTVs. I'm currently half way throu the trip report
81 Post contains links 777ER : Wellington Airports terminal extension takes shape - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2435...pkin-patch-sprouts-at-city-airport
82 777ER : Has anyone (Pacific Blue employees?) heard anything more about E190 operations here?
83 TG992 : Version 6.0 software was loaded in April and has improved reliability substantially. In May, Version 7.0 will be loaded which should improve the reli
84 SunriseValley : To or from or both ? Does this mean from the example you gave that an aircraft could be on the ground in KIX for a number of days?
85 MotorHussy : Thanks for the warning on this, am going for a week in a fortnight thanks to the cheap fare - 767-300 up, which surprised me and 777-200 coming back
86 NZdsgnr : all 767 and 320 have been refurbed
87 Koruman : So why bother? We have already seen that Nagoya and (blank, can't remember other dropped Japanese city) have failed and KIX obviously has too. In add
88 QF45 : Was it Fukuoka?
89 MotorHussy : Great, thanks. That's a relief, would have been a long flight in economy by myself without built-in mod-cons. Yes it was FUK. Keeping planes in the a
90 TG992 : The Japanese routes are not losing money due to JAL block-buying seats to retail, so we're paid regardless of whether they're empty or full, and frei
91 ZK-NBT : I think this starts in July? Interesting I've heard that before. JAL is hardly making money that they could use an agreement like this on the relativ
92 NZ107 : Swine Flu fears didn't help either.. Japan placed us on a "swine flu blacklist" warning Japanese not to come here despite something like 5 people inf
93 ANstar : And if they can't even sell them at the grab a seat price it doesn't really bode well for the ongoing health of the route. Even though JAL will pay f
94 DJ738 : No immediate or near future plans. Have been told six - twelve months away, at the EARLIEST.
95 FlyPacificBlue : Expect Pacific Blue to roll out these E-Jets with a bang! Heard talk that WLG may be an E-Jet hub due to its central location. Watch this space...
96 NZ107 : Mind you, the timing isn't great being from mid-June to the beginning of July and finishing just before the school holidays. I reckon I would have ta
97 NZ1 : TG992 is right, some of these 763 flights to/from NRT will be ferrying between Japan and HKG due to the winglet program. 1st aircraft is due in HKG o
98 FlyPacificBlue : Initially the E190 to start with
99 777ER : Is the 6-12 months away the announcement or start of services?
100 SunriseValley : Presumably the C check and winglet installation will proceed simultaneously. What is the expected turn around time per aircraft? What takes the most
101 Post contains links 777ER : The trip report from my WLG-BNE-WLG flight http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/148921/
102 Cchan : Are these aircrafts going to be ferried back to Japan after winglets installed? Would it make more economical sense to have these do an extra HKG-AKL
103 AerorobNZ : I would expect at very least that all KIX flights will be end up as a multisector NRT-KIX-AKL, but I would expect KIX to go altogether. There was a s
104 PA515 : A few months ago the registrations ZK-ZQA to ZQZ (except ZQN) were reserved. Could be just a coincidence they follow VH-ZPM etc. Would anyone know wh
105 777ER : judging by the number reserved, I would say NZ as they will be announcing their B733 replacement later this year - unless NZ decide to reuse the curr
106 PA515 : Possible, but all available NB, NC, NG, NZ and OJ registrations not previously reserved were reserved earlier this year as well. NBA-NBR, NCB, NCE-NC
107 PA515 : Corrections. ZK-OJL has now been deleted from the reserved registrations. NZB-NZF were reserved not long after the 787 order. ZK-NZL was cancelled 09
108 Koruman : I know that 30% of the seats are pre-sold to JAL (at wholesale discounted rates) but how can this be viable? Singapore got axed with roughly 60% load
109 NZ1 : Turnaround is about 3 weeks I believe, which includes C check and winglets yes. Most of a C check is taken up with inspections, and rectifying any de
110 777ER : Where are you getting this info from?
111 NZ8800 : I've been following the controversy over Air New Zealand's flights to Beijing and Shanghai with some interest. Are there political rather than economi
112 Post contains links PA515 : Sorry, should have said. www.caa.govt.nz/aircraft/aircraft.htm then click 'Reserved registration marks' I check every month or so in case there is an
113 DavidByrne : K'Man - I know you feel strongly that there is a whiff of corruption about NZ's services to China, but as far as I am aware, the only argument you've
114 Mariner : For what it's worth, I think 2 x weekly is a smart commercial move. 1 x weekly is extremely limiting for the pax. I am fully prepared to accept that
115 767ER : This may be of interest to Koruman. I stumbled across some excellent fares to LA ex Australia J in J at Christmas time for approx $6500 on NZ. This re
116 SunriseValley : Not too difficult, AKL-PER-BOM/DEL-LHR. In fact the route could be developed very nicely with a 767-300ER pending arrival of 787-9's. Now I'm not sur
117 PA515 : Mariner, you missed one. PA515
118 NZ747 : Why would they? There are still more NZers coming here than any other Pacific Island country.
119 Mariner : Sorry, bit confused. Missed one? Which one? That wasn't my quote. mariner
120 MillwallSean : Regarding Chinese destinations. I agree with Mr Byrne on the "put up or shut up." Personally what I can see is a belief in a market, a belief that has
121 Knid : Pulling out from China may not be a practical option if Air NZ does have long term plans there. If they have made private assurances along those lines
122 Koruman : There are a lot of significant points here. It is my opinion that the conventional wisdom for why Air NZ (and indeed the country of NZ) should be tar
123 Kiwiandrew : do we 'know' that in the sense that it has been repeated so often that it is regarded as fact , or do we 'know' that in the sense that it is verifiab
124 Mariner : I'm confused. Is it 30-50% or is it 20-35%? mariner
125 NZ1 : Neither. Not sure where you're getting your info Koruman, but the loads to China are a lot higher than that. Some flights have been in the 80% range
126 Post contains links 777ER : Today on Grab a seat AKL - PVG, LAX, Tokyo, HKG, YYZ, Beijing, SFO and HNL with fares dropping throughout the day till sold out Arrivals up 10pc at Au
127 NZ8800 : British Airways flew Auckland - Melbourne - Perth - Bombay - London (Heathrow) in the past, (source: OAG Pacific Area Pocket Flight Guide, June 1982)
128 NZ107 : Hong Kong would have been good but all of them were at funny times. I'm surprised that NZ could only spare another dollar off the NRT fare - funnily
129 Dddale : Information about sale of Qantas Jetconnect Aircraft. Some of you may already know this, but... I was reading through the Speed News Aviation bulletin
130 SunriseValley : I believe this aircraft is to be broken up for parts. See recent postings on this site on this topic.
131 777ER : Will be re-engined and flowen to the USA shortly for scrapping. There is a picture of it in the database sitting at AKL with engines and livery remov
132 Cchan : Time for them to come to Africa to replace those 737-200?!
133 NZ1 : JNO is currently being scrapped in CHC, with the wings due to be cut off next week. NZ1
134 Dddale : Thanks for the information NZ1. I saw it there only two weeks ago went I went to Christchurch. I think it had an engine missing then too. What a pity
135 NZ107 : What a shame.. Fond memories climbing out of ZQN in 1A and on the same flight flying past thunderstorms approaching AKL. I might post some pics from
136 777ER : Thats a shame. Any idea when the aircraft will be all gone?
137 TG992 : Air NZ longhaul cabin crew have just voted 'yes' to our new proposed employment contract, which has been negotiated for the last 8 months. 83% voted i
138 Aerokiwi : Inflation is forecast to drop to about 1 percent per annum for the next couple of years, possibly longer if the recession holds. I'd say you got a pr
139 Post contains images NZ107 : In a way, I guess but the damage came more towards the end of their lives. I'm sure it would be a lot more reliable than some 732s floating around th
140 AerorobNZ : Yep they''ve lost many business class/Frequent Flyer passengers to NZ & EK due to operating these aircraft on transtasman services to BNE/MEL with su
141 ZKOJH : with SQ axing its MAN ops from the winter timetable and put all the work on LHR, is this a 'good time' for NZ to pull the Japan route and use the airc
142 Alangirvan : I presume that part two of the Qantas revamp of Trans Tasman product will be for Jetconnect to use 738s on AKL-BNE, and perhaps WLG-BNE, with JQ to i
143 Alangirvan : "For all payments by credit or charge card, an additional $5 will apply per passenger per international flight sector booked." This condition is part
144 Kiwiandrew : all aircraft end one day , personally I think that being scrapped at the end of a productive life is much less of a sad end than being written off in
145 Dddale : You are right. However, for me it's the history and the fact that it's been a workhorse for so long. But as the saying goes, all good things must com
146 NZ1 : The tail was removed today. Wings next week. The fuselage has been picked up by our design business, Altitude, who will use it for doing BBJ cabin mo
147 777ER : Not sure about AKL, but WLG already has QF B738s on some of the newly re-timed MEL route
148 CHCalfonzo : 10 June this service is retimed and operated by Jetconnect again.
149 ZK-NBT : Engines have been refitted, it was towed out and doing some runs on Sunday afternoon. There is and AKL-AKL flight tomorrow at 1100 I'm guessing a tes
150 777ER : Anyone able to say why todays NZ1 arrival into AKL is now scheduled to arrive at 2.10am on Friday? flight NZ6320 will depart at 11am and is scheduled
151 NZ107 : Just looking at Emirates' sale fares from AKL - why is is that BNE is $20-30 more? I can't comprehend that BNE would have higher fees than say SYD and
152 777ER : Today on grab a seat NZ has fares ranging from $5 - $25 oneway to all airports that have mountains nearby to celebrate the anniversary of Sir Ed's con
153 Post contains links 777ER : First 747-400 heads for wrecker - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...77/First-747-400-heads-for-wrecker
154 TG992 : NZ has just announced they're going to cut group wide capacity for the 2010 financial year by a further three percent. The latest round of changes see
155 NZ107 : Now that's a bit more of a shame than the QF 733.. Maybe they can train the excess cabin crew up for the A320 and then they won't have any problems w
156 767ER : SAN FRANCISCO FLIGHT CANCELLATIONS All Tuesday and Thursday B777 flights between AKL & SFO from 15Dec09 until 25Feb10 LOS ANGELES SCHEDULE AMENDMENTS/
157 Mr AirNZ : No doubt to come from Mt. Cook with the parking of an ATR in July (or so the rumour network says).
158 Pewpew320 : That actually is an excellent idea!
159 ZKOJH : Air New Zealand wish to advise the following three additional Auckland to Cairns services in July and August * Saturday 11 July, and Thursday 06 Augus
160 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2457106/Air-NZ-cuts-services Certainly sounds like there is a drop in demand for the xmas rush period, or is the B744
161 PA515 : Would this aircraft be parked for the ATR72-600 style cabin upgrade or in addition to. And will the upgrade be for all 11 ATR's or only 10. The press
162 NZ1 : Not sure what tree you're barking up, but there is no upgrade planned for the ATR's. We have an agreement to purchase the ATR's at the end of their l
163 TG992 : Surely you're not advocating they become scab labour? I'd like to think you're not. However, in my crystal ball, I do see domestic crew being trained
164 PA515 : This tree: Dominion Post, 7 Oct 2008, Page 2 Air NZ cans replacement option (by Roeland Van den Bergh) Air New Zealand has shelved a US$300 million (N
165 NZ107 : I'm not advocating anything, just listing suggestions out there from an economist's point of view as they know about Air NZ, protocols, same uniform
166 TG992 : People are at domestic because they want to be, by choice. They earn more than the Zeal crew and have better conditions. If the company does cross-tra
167 NZ107 : Ok, I guess that little thought wouldn't eventuate to much. But surely those doing the AT7s/Q300s would be paid less than ZEAL320 staff? I'll leave it
168 PA515 : There was also a notice to staff with this same information on 06 October 2008. Only seven of the eight leased ATR's mentioned plus the cabin upgrade
169 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ slates tourism spend - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...458504/Air-NZ-slates-tourism-spend
170 Cchan : What do the aircrafts do on days which there are no HKG-LHR service? Sit on the tarmac at HKG until the next day and go back to AKL?
171 DavidByrne : Yes, I was wondering that, too. Maybe they'll have a daylight flight back to Auckland on the days there's no flight to LHR. They could make it daily
172 TG992 : Couldn't some schedule nerd (ZKNBT, I'm looking at you!) figure it out by routing the aircraft via HKG one and LAX the other?
173 RichardJF : Should the company criticise the tourism minister?....
174 RichardJF : Also would it not be more logical to drop NRT and KIX and start HND?
175 NZ107 : I don't think HND is an option. Its only international flights are short hauls to Asia. It doesn't have the capacity to take large amounts of interna
176 RichardJF : Because NZ is a small operator a daily HND-AKL might make a lot of sense. Also you could use it as a bit of hub to ICN as well.
177 NZ107 : Not sure if we'd be allowed by the Japanese Govt to do so either.
178 Cchan : It probably only works out if both routes are with 772, otherwise they'll end up with a half full 744 via HKG?
179 RichardJF : Fyfe would seem to be in a far more powerful position with such a contemporary in as tourism minister. Should be using it to change where they fly to.
180 PA515 : AKL-HKG-PVG, PVG-AKL plus AKL-PVG, PVG-HKG-AKL twice a week would work and the slot times appear compatible except for the PVG arrival from HKG. PA51
181 RichardJF : It would be useful to have somebody a level or so down from the top agitating for a more unconventional approach and that it is known to the board. Gi
182 RichardJF : To the previous pm the company was likely of little personal interest but just another soe. That's not the case now. Which ministries especially for t
183 TheCommodore : Can anybody tell me the registration of the ZK ATR-72 that I flew on recently? CHC-ZQN WED 20 MAY 3.45 pm scheduled departure (actual dept. approx. 4.
184 VirginFlyer : Sorry, can you clarify what you are talking about there? I don't think I'm following where you're going with this... V/F
185 ANstar : I don't think any of us are....
186 Koruman : I always like RichardJF's posts, because while occasionally a bit bonkers they are always thought-provoking, and he sees things the rest of us don't.
187 RichardJF : Rob Mercer from forsyth barr made a pretty good point about NZ on HGK-LHR. Those sort of comments don't go unnoticed.
188 Kiwiandrew : for the benefit of those of us who did not notice it how about posting a link so that we have some idea of what you are talking about ?
189 TG992 : Problem with HND is that we carry a LOT of traffic to and from Europe on the European carriers, particularly KLM. Switching from NRT to HND would surr
190 RichardJF : Kiwiandrew - sorry I don't have the link. It's a very good time for somebody ambitious to get ahead.
191 Post contains links ANstar : http://pulse.alacra.com/analyst-comments/Rob_Mercer-A20507 Perhaps somewhere in there??
192 RichardJF : Under my scenario NZ would fly HND-europe in conjunction with JAL.
193 Cchan : I wonder how much international traffic HND can handle. It is already very busy with domestic flights.
194 RichardJF : ceo needs to start rocking the boat in that company...exciting and lots of direction. Air NZ is very typical of a lot businesses in New Zealand it's w
195 RichardJF : Differcult to be the ceo because to be effective you need to be very detached from those top managers directly below you..... easier said than done.
196 ZK-NBT : Hehe thanks! I guess really both flights need to be daily for the best and easiest way to make this work. And the same type would be good but not 100
197 Post contains links Axio : http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5623329 "Air New Zealand rival Pacific Blue is expected to announce details tomorrow about the introduction o
198 QF175 : Pacific Blue will make an announcement tomorrow regarding new services to/from Hamilton (I think we may see our first Domestic NZ E90 services). Stay
199 NZ107 : Great! I may not have to venture over to Aussie to get onto the E190!
200 PA515 : Sounds more like a Trans Tasman service. "A spokesman declined to give details of tomorrow's announcement but said it would be good news for air comm
201 Rwy21 : lets hope that if this is the case they also announce some more services to the 4 main airports they currently serve domestically
202 NZ107 : Ah yes getting a little ahead of myself atm.. Guess we'll wait and see what happens tomorrow.
203 QF175 : Interesting.. I was under the impression it would be services to Auckland and not TT-based flying, although perhaps we'll see a return of Sydney and
204 NZ107 : Come to think of it again, it'd be pretty weird to have a place like HLZ on the PB map which is only accessible from SYD/BNE. My first reaction was t
205 ANstar : Would it have enough to time to do HLZ-CHC-HLZ-BNE-HLZ-CHC-HLZ in a day?
206 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-NBS departs AKL tomorrow at 1720 as NZ6390 AKL-LAX-ROW (Roswell) www.jetspotter.com/ Forums, New Zealand, NZ Aircraft Movements and Logs May 2009 P
207 Koruman : I think that LAX-LHR is the key sector for the entire airline: it's currently Air NZ's only sector between two very large and very rich markets. The
208 NZ107 : Leaving early in the morning I believe it would be able to. However due to consistent winter fogs in both CHC and HLZ, I don't know if the OTP of thi
209 DJ738 : I've just logged on to "break" this news, but I'm WAY too late! From the little we know, I'd expect it to be no more than a HLZ BNE service using exi
210 Rwy21 : ..and anytimes a good time to be a pax on the red jets Just need a few more services to be a semi serious contender for my work related travel though
211 VirginFlyer : And that in a sentence sums up the difficulty of breaking into the New Zealand market. Can the market support two operators operating high enough fre
212 777ER : I've been on a UA Express E170 in 2007 and totally enjoyed every minute of it. If/when DJ launch domestic E190s ops here, then it will be a good day
213 Post contains links 777ER : Thread #57 is here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4431531/
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