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SQ A380 To AKL, Is It Possible?  
User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9195 times:

Just been going thru the schedules for Christmas period and I see SQ has sold all of its tickets in the economy class betweek AKL and SIN and is operating a 77W.(Tickets still available in business class)

Since the numbers are bound to explode comming closer to the date and given that SQ is a star alliance member, what is the possibility that they will upgrade the 77W to A380 during the peak Christmas time?

Last time I flew SQ they were operating a B747-4 but now switched to a smaller 77W? Why is that?

Thanks


Raj Koona
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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

It's called yield management.

I don't think SQ has a spare A380 it can move onto the AKL route; if the 744's are still around, they might switch it to 744 - particularly when it has a much larger Y cabin. Will costs outweigh the extra revenue? That's a question for SQ to decide. If the plane will go out profitable as is, they may not want to change it.

The 744 would be a downgraded product, however, IMHO.



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User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9112 times:

The SIN-AUK route is seasonal in terms of demand, which is not good for an airline which usually deploys the same plane type throughout the year. SQ would rather deploy the A380 on routes which can fill each plane even during slower months, and just ram up frequencies using smaller planes on lesser routes such as to AUK.


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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9067 times:

It is more likely that SQ would upgrade their late flight into AKL which is currently operated by 772


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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8916 times:

SQ281/282 will go 7x during peak periods to offset the excess demand in Y from the current 5x. SQ285/286 will maintain the 7x 77W. No point upgauging an aircraft just because Y is overbooked and F & J are some what empty.

Prior to the EIS of the 77Ws, the 744 was the only aircraft fitted with the long haul product but this provided excess capacity which wasn't required. Also it's the twilight of the 744 ops for SQ, the last 744 service should be in October this year. SQ is replacing the 744s with the 388, 77W & 73A (Refurbished 773).


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8743 times:



Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
(Tickets still available in business class)

That pretty much answers it for you. New Zealand is a rather low yielding destination and you can see that by CX pulling their First Class cabin out of AKL-HKG a long time ago, QF operating 2-class aircraft to LAX, NZ switching to a better Business product rather than operating a First, MH decreasing, TG eventually realising this and decreasing premium class space. Because the A380 has been designed to hold so many business class seats, it'll be extremely unlikely SQ would send an A380 here, even if it was for a week. They could probably get more from keeping it on the SYD-SIN route than switching it over to fly to AKL. It'd screw up their schedules too and they could just as easily deploy it on other routes like MEL-SIN IMO. The only reason why AKL got the A380 was because SYD was high in demand and their Trans Tasman flights are restricted.

Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Last time I flew SQ they were operating a B747-4 but now switched to a smaller 77W? Why is that?

Their 744s are getting old (they only operated a leased 744 to AKL for a long time (9V-SPP) unitl they could get the 77Ws in) and they are rather inefficient in comparison to the 77W. They switched to the 77W for pretty much the same reason as NZ.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8726 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 4):
the last 744 service should be in October this year. SQ is replacing the 744s with the 388, 77W & 73A (Refurbished 773).

October? That is soon.

Current 747-400 routes are SIN-MEL, SIN-SYD, SIN-FRA-JFK, SIN-NRT-LAX.

I can see the MEL and SYD flights being switched over to the upgraded 777-300. But, what about JFK and LAX? A380 or 77W? With a daily A380 replacing the 10x? weekly 77W to CDG, they should have roughly 2 free 77Ws.


User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8668 times:

IN other words I guess there is no chance that I will get to fly the whale jet this year.

Will try my luck again next year.

Thank you guys for your info...shows the complexity of airliners planning their routes.



Raj Koona
User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8659 times:



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
October? That is soon.

Yes. It's mentioned in this month's SilverKris magazine.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
Current 747-400 routes are SIN-MEL, SIN-SYD, SIN-FRA-JFK, SIN-NRT-LAX.

SQ231/232 will go 77W on 25JUN.
SQ219/220 will go 773 on 05OCT

So it's a matter of time before the aircraft changes for the remaining 744 flights are uploaded to GDS.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):

I can see the MEL and SYD flights being switched over to the upgraded 777-300. But, what about JFK and LAX? A380 or 77W? With a daily A380 replacing the 10x? weekly 77W to CDG, they should have roughly 2 free 77Ws.

Most likely 77Ws for SQ26/25 & SQ12/11.

With LX withdrawing it's BKK-SIN service, they have started to codeshare with SQ. It's possible that SQ will withdraw the current 14x 77W service and convert it to a 7x 388 service with SQ346/345 once SKI/SKJ are delivered. This should free up 4 77Ws. One 773 is believed to be undergoing refit at the moment (9V-SYD), this will help free up an additional 77W.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8590 times:



Quoting Qslinger (Reply 7):
IN other words I guess there is no chance that I will get to fly the whale jet this year.

If you really want to try the A380 out, just fork out $300-400 and get yourself to Sydney! That's the easiest way  Wink



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8576 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 8):
One 773 is believed to be undergoing refit at the moment (9V-SYD), this will help free up an additional 77W.

The non-ER 773 has 3 classes. While I have seen how the YCL and JCL will look like, what about PCL? Anyone has any photos of it?



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

While it is indeed unlikely that SQ will introduce the A380 to AKL anytime in the next few years atleast it is worth noting that AKL can be done with 1 aircraft like SYD and MEL so if there was a need they could definatly do it though I doubt they will.

SQ did load SQ285/286 as a 772ER which is 2 class before deciding to lease 9V-SPR a 744 ex MH. I heard the 772 would have been a temp until more 77Ws arrived so SQ do see a market for First ex AKL though loads vary from empty to full.


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8497 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 4):
Prior to the EIS of the 77Ws, the 744 was the only aircraft fitted with the long haul product but this provided excess capacity which wasn't required.

not true, there were quite a few 772s in longhaul configuration around....

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 10):
While I have seen how the YCL and JCL will look like, what about PCL?

AFAIK the 773s that are going to be converted to the longhaul product are going to get exactly the same product as the 77Ws



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8474 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 12):
AFAIK the 773s that are going to be converted to the longhaul product are going to get exactly the same product as the 77Ws

First and Economy will be the same as the 77W Business will be the new regional seats on the A333 I hear.

Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 4):
Prior to the EIS of the 77Ws, the 744 was the only aircraft fitted with the long haul product but this provided excess capacity which wasn't required. Also it's the twilight of the 744 ops for SQ, the last 744 service should be in October this year. SQ is replacing the 744s with the 388, 77W & 73A (Refurbished 773).

What about the A343s before the 777s they would have been long haul configured but SQ didn't use those to AKL. I wonder why?


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8411 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
First and Economy will be the same as the 77W Business will be the new regional seats on the A333 I hear.

hm, I'm not sure if that makes sense.... from what I hear SQ is converting the 773s precisely to free up routes currently flown by the 77W for which the 773 would have the range, but SQ wants to fly the 77W product on (prime example, SYD). Why would they choose an inferior product in Business then? If they put the A333 biz class in they could as well fly the A333 to those destinations from the get-go... Y class is identical anyway.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8238 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 12):
AFAIK the 773s that are going to be converted to the longhaul product are going to get exactly the same product as the 77Ws



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 14):
Why would they choose an inferior product in Business then? If they put the A333 biz class in they could as well fly the A333 to those destinations from the get-go... Y class is identical anyway.

It has been understood the upgraded non-ER 773 will feature similar YCL/JCL as the 333 which is notches above the original 773. However nothing much has been mentioned about the PCL upgrades and how they are going to look like.

Based on the present competition plying the Kangaroo Route, the upgraded 773 JCL seats will be on par (if not better) than other's unless of course you are comparing it to the A380 of EK and SQ. QF is not even on the radar... Hahahaha...



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User currently onlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8216 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 15):
However nothing much has been mentioned about the PCL upgrades and how they are going to look like

F seats will be the same as the B77W F seats.



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 12):

not true, there were quite a few 772s in longhaul configuration around....

What I meant was the SQ 744 was the only aircraft fitted with long haul F. The 772ERs don't have F.

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 14):

hm, I'm not sure if that makes sense.... from what I hear SQ is converting the 773s precisely to free up routes currently flown by the 77W for which the 773 would have the range, but SQ wants to fly the 77W product on (prime example, SYD). Why would they choose an inferior product in Business then? If they put the A333 biz class in they could as well fly the A333 to those destinations from the get-go... Y class is identical anyway.

SQ considers routes <8 hours to be regional. Quite a number of the regional 77W flights at the moment are done during the day and these are prime candidates for replacement by the 73A. The "new" long haul J is an improvement over the Spacebed/Ultimo for redeyes but it pales in comparison to the new regional J and to a certain extend the Spacebed when it comes to lounging during a day flight. The new regional J on the 73A will still be an improvement over the 744s currently servicing SYD/MEL. The 333 does not have a F cabin, those destinations have F traffic.

[Edited 2009-05-19 03:04:35]

User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8093 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 13):
What about the A343s before the 777s they would have been long haul configured but SQ didn't use those to AKL. I wonder why?

Possibly higher demand for J? The 343 had 30J, compared to the 744 which had 59J (Ultimo).


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7995 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 4):
he last 744 service should be in October this year. SQ is replacing the 744s with the 388, 77W & 73A (Refurbished 773).

We were actually planning a trip to Norway from Australia in Christmas time. However, we decided not to through FRA with SQ, as one leg would be in the inferior 744 product. So, by Christmas, SQ 25/26 should have the new product? How certain is this?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5152 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 18):
Possibly higher demand for J? The 343 had 30J, compared to the 744 which had 59J (Ultimo).

Possibly. AKL does quite well in J I hear. I wonder iif the 772ERs will be upgraded with the new long haul J?

Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 14):
hm, I'm not sure if that makes sense.... from what I hear SQ is converting the 773s precisely to free up routes currently flown by the 77W for which the 773 would have the range, but SQ wants to fly the 77W product on (prime example, SYD).

As mentioned above the New regional J class is streaks ahead of the old so this is a decent upgrade for a route like MEL which gets the 773A, SYD doesn't get 773As regularly at the moment but will on atleast 2 flights when they are upgraded and the 744s are gone.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4901 times:



Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Just been going thru the schedules for Christmas period and I see SQ has sold all of its tickets in the economy class betweek AKL and SIN and is operating a 77W.(Tickets still available in business class)

This will have more to do with SQ's selling policy than the flights being full. SQ only allocates a portion of seats on a flight to any particular market. It picks up which market you are in by the internet address/IATA agency code. I gather that you will be looking at the NZL market. Other markets, often with higher yield and different booking patterns, eg the UK, might see that the flight is wide open. This contrasts with other airlines which display the full inventory in all markets. SQ also release availability in blocks as the year progresses. It had draconian auto-cancellation systems to clear out held space and convert reservations into sales.

As an former travel agent, I'd often look at other higher yield markets, eg request a TYO-SIN-AKL route even though the traveller needed a LON-SIN-AKL service, to see if a required flight was full or if it was just NZL's allocation that was unavailable.

From memory, I'm fairly confident that the A340 was used to start the daytime SIN-AKL and overnight AKL-SIN flights were initially introduced. The A340 was also used on the SIN-CHC route.

As for A380 flights. Never say never, but the current decline of the long haul market to NZL makes it extremely



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4732 times:



Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 21):
From memory, I'm fairly confident that the A340 was used to start the daytime SIN-AKL and overnight AKL-SIN flights were initially introduced. The A340 was also used on the SIN-CHC route.

The daylight SIN-AKL flight was initially an overnight sector aswell and was always a 772 either way since it started in 2003. It changed to daylight in 2005 I think it was. The A340 was only seen in AKL on charters. Yes the A343 was used to CHC!


User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4285 times:



Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 21):
As an former travel agent, I'd often look at other higher yield markets, eg request a TYO-SIN-AKL route even though the traveller needed a LON-SIN-AKL service, to see if a required flight was full or if it was just NZL's allocation that was unavailable

TravellerPlus: Thats amazing! Never knew that. I am going to see if any of my friends around the world can book the flight which is comming as unavailable. If you are interested it as well, here is the booking I am refering to

27 Nov 09 WLG - HYD
02 Jan 10 HYD - WLG

The routing is

Going: WLG - AKL - SIN - HYD
Return: HYD - SIN - AKL - WLG



Raj Koona
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

are the chances really good of SIN-NRT-LAX getting converted to the 77W this summer??

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