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NWA/DL 757 At NRT  
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

I was looking at this photo:


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What is a 752 doing in Tokyo? Obviously it doesn't fly directly from the US. Does it fly regional routes within Asia for NW/DL? If so, doesn't it take some sort of open skies agreement or ATI to do this without originating or terminating in the airline's home country?


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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

It operates intra-Asia routes, flying from NRT to:

PUS, ICN, BKK (now back to A330), TPE, SGN, GUM, SPN, NGO, KIX

Given NW's extensive traffic rights to & through Japan acquired after WW2, there is no open skies agreement or anything like that required for them to operate regional 757's out of NRT.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

NWA has a hub in NRT and full 5th freedom rights from Japan (as does UA which aquired the rights from Pan Am.).

This goes back to the end of WWII.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5300 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

Doesn't UA do the same at NRT? 757's or A320?

User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Well, I feel like an idiot. I'm totally outta the loop, apparently. I knew CO had s imilar setup in Guam, but thought since it was a US territory, they were able to get away with it. Didn't realize Japan simply granted these rights. Sorry fir the ignorance, and thanks for the info fellas!


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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Also, keep in mind that fifth freedom rights don't require the aircraft to operate any particular origin/destination, only the flight number. As is the case with most airlines at their hubs, NW operates many USA-NRT-XXX flights with a change of gauge at the NRT hub. The 757's based in NRT do not rotate back to the states on scheduled flights. On the occasion that maintenance or other needs cause an NRT 757 to travel to or from the states, it's generally as a ferry flight with a tech stop in ANC.

User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6293 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Doesn't UA do the same at NRT? 757's or A320?

Nope...... we just use 777 or 747 metal and market the flights from place to place via NRT pretty much. I.E. UA891 is marketed as JFK-BKK via LAX and NRT. The JFK-LAX leg is a PS 757 and the other two are 747s.

I would be so neat to see UA do this type of 757 Asia operation but its not going to happen.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

I thought I recalled seeing pictures of NW A320 in NRT. Did NW use A320 prior to the 757?

User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6252 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 7):
I thought I recalled seeing pictures of NW A320 in NRT. Did NW use A320 prior to the 757?

Yes, then 757s were brought in and the A320s went back home.

I think they need some DC-9s over there  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6127 times:
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Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 7):
I thought I recalled seeing pictures of NW A320 in NRT. Did NW use A320 prior to the 757?

They had several 320s in NRT during the whole SARS outbreak due to light loads. When the loads picked up the aircraft were swapped back out with the 757s.
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

CO brings in their 737-800s to NRT from Guam:


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10653 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 8):
I think they need some DC-9s over there

Maybe NW could open up SYA (Shemya) as a fuel stop, again.     










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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5788 times:



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 9):
They had several 320s in NRT during the whole SARS outbreak due to light loads. When the loads picked up the aircraft were swapped back out with the 757s.

They had them there prior to the SARS outbreak, however they took over some extra routes.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):
Maybe NW could open up SYA (Shemya) as a fuel stop, again.

Yes, at one point it was the only private airport owned by an airline.

NW can do this where as UA can't since NW had more slots and they also got slots for the smaller runway.



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User currently offlineDanielb From Canada, joined May 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5776 times:



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 8):
I think they need some DC-9s over there

Yeah, Please. I'm sorry but with all due respect to Mcdonnell Douglas and all that, you must be Kidding!! I can't wait for NW to get rid of those ugly beasts!! I doubt if they wouuld make it all the way across the Pacific anyway. Besides the 757 is the most beautiful aircraft in the sky!!  sarcastic 


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5700 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 2):
NWA has a hub in NRT and full 5th freedom rights from Japan (as does UA which aquired the rights from Pan Am.).

Indeed, however, NWA/DAL1 NRT-SGN does not have that right to pick up local traffic out of NRT.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Doesn't UA do the same at NRT? 757's or A320?

UA only use wide-bodies in/out of NRT!

Quoting DescendVia (Reply 6):
I would be so neat to see UA do this type of 757 Asia operation but its not going to happen.

I hope not, otherwise forget non-reving to or transiting NRT.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10653 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5545 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Yes, at one point it was the only private airport owned by an airline.

Maybe the terminal, but I imagine that the airfield was owned by the gov't. There have been GI's stationed there since the 40's. I myself was there in '68 and the only commercial service we had was Reeve.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5443 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
NW had more slots and they also got slots for the smaller runway.

huh?
UA could have a hub in NRT. How do I know this? They did. They don't need a hub in NRT because they have SFO. No need to have NRT. The fly over NRT and use NRT as a stopping point for flights such as SIN which are to long and more than likely couldn't live without the 5th freedom traffic. PA had around the same size hub in NRT as NW did. NW can use the 757 because they use the smaller runway which IIRC doesn't have slots. UA could do the same.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 16):
They don't need a hub in NRT because they have SFO. No need to have NRT.

UA also has a Japanese *A partner , NH , who can provide onward connections from NRT . Skyteam doesnt have a Japanese partner so the NW/DL hub at NRT is rather more important for them



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4291 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
Yes, at one point it was the only private airport owned by an airline.

SYA was never owned by NWA. After WWII, the USAAF/USAF considered transferring SYA to the CAB, however, it proved vital as a refueling stop for the transpac flights and then the start of the Korean conflict made the decision mute.

However, on 1 July 1954, the USAF declared the facility surplus and transferred it to the CAB. In 1955, NWA leased the facility from the CAB until 1958 when the USAF took control of the island. NWA operated in and out of SYA until 1961


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10653 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 18):
However, on 1 July 1954, the USAF declared the facility surplus and transferred it to the CAB. In 1955, NWA leased the facility from the CAB until 1958 when the USAF took control of the island. NWA operated in and out of SYA until 1961

I believe the cargo/pax building I worked at was a NWA structure. It certainly looked old enough.



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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5230 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3106 times:



Quoting Danielb (Reply 13):


I can't wait for NW to get rid of those ugly beasts!!

Describing a DC-9 as an "ugly beast" is an insult to aviation lovers everywhere, Sir!

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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

I wish I had a dime for everytime someone started a thred, Why is there a CO 737 in MNL or What is a NW 757 doing in NGO or NRT..

But I guess thats why A.N is here...


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2857 times:



Quoting Cospn (Reply 21):
I wish I had a dime for everytime someone started a thred,

And I wish I had a dime for every time someone posted a reply to complain about someone else but didn't bother to check their spelling  Wink


User currently offlineDanielb From Canada, joined May 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2745 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 20):
Describing a DC-9 as an "ugly beast" is an insult to aviation lovers everywhere, Sir!

Okay. Okay. I'm sorry, I was a little rash in my previous comments....it's just that it seems that every airline has them nowadays and I'm tired of them. Especially when nearby there is 757's, 767's, 777's etc. Do you see what I mean??

Danidlb.


User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5230 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting Danielb (Reply 23):


Okay. Okay. I'm sorry, I was a little rash in my previous comments....it's just that it seems that every airline has them nowadays and I'm tired of them. Especially when nearby there is 757's, 767's, 777's etc. Do you see what I mean??

No. DL/NW has one or two from what I hear...and who else has any flying around N. America?

MD-80's don't count.  Wink



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