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Andy ROONEY'S Comments About Air Travel 60 Minutes  
User currently offlineJmbweeboy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

I am wondering how many other A'Netters picked up Andy Rooney's comments about air travel on last Sunday night's 60 Minutes.

Long story short, he said while he has children and grandchildren in both California and Europe (he lives in Connecticut) that he was making no plans to go visit them this summer due to all the hassle with air travel. He said while he has the money to buy any type of ticket he needs he just can't be bothered with the whole garbage experience air travel has become.

Just confirms what I've mentioned to many. The airlines are their own worst enemies. They are destroying demand for their own product. The last thing so many people want to do is get on an airplane period. Sad!

JMBWEEBOY

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8886 times:



Quoting Jmbweeboy (Thread starter):
Long story short, he said while he has children and grandchildren in both California and Europe (he lives in Connecticut) that he was making no plans to go visit them this summer due to all the hassle with air travel. He said while he has the money to buy any type of ticket he needs he just can't be bothered with the whole garbage experience air travel has become.

It goes to show that he cares more about a few hours of hassle than about his own family. What a wonderful grandpa...  butthead 



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

The hassel affects those who go to the airport to late and want to breeze past security. If you give yourself time to get through the airport and get through security it shouldnt be a problem. If your flight leaves at 8:00 and boarding starts at 7:30 maybe plan to be in the airport and at the security check points at 6:30? Beyond waiting to put a bag on a conveyor belt and walking through a detector what is such the hassel?

And him blaming his inability to travel this summer on the airline is a cop out especially for one who has more than enough resources to fly on a private jet and avoid the oh so bad commercial experience. The truth is he doesn't want to go and see his family for what ever reason so to justify, he uses a misconception.



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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8729 times:

I liked Andy Rooney my whole life. Fun segment. I think his last few years have been a bit off as he's turning into grumpy old men. I did see this segment and thought he did everyone in the airline and industry an injustice. Rather than spin it like the travel magazine's - go now = no one is on the plane, frequent flier seats a plenty, hotels are cheap and airport lines are short - he chose the bah humbug route. Unfortunate really. However, my trip to Europe this summer with my family will not get canceled b/c of his comments and I'm sure yours won't either so maybe there is no harm.

User currently offlineRIPCORDD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Airlines are not ruining us the paying passenger is we really don't have any loyalty only thing we care about is the price then we bitch about no more hot meals, no pillows, no blankets, no ptv's etc. If we did care AA would still have more room in coach which was my fav. Only CO is prob the only legacy airline left to offer most of these. Service sucks on most now a days

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Airline dis-service to the public and all the little ad-on fees has been discussed here and by the media since 2001. Has Mr. Rooney just figured this out?
safe



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8536 times:

Like everyone else who complains about airline service on this forum, Rooney is forgetting that the market gets what the market asks for.

Through their buying decisions, consumers have emphatically made clear that nothing actually matters but a lower price.

If Rooney (along with all other bellyachers) wants someone to blame, he needs to look in the mirror instead of at the airlines.


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

its the new american mentality, everyone wants first class service from everyone including the minimum wage high school graduate TSA people, but the price they don't want to pay anything but the bottom lowest fair possible

User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

I honestly did not realize Andy Rooney was still alive.
He generally used to be funny, but I agree he became more of a paid complainer then witty journalist.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4354 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8308 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
It goes to show that he cares more about a few hours of hassle than about his own family. What a wonderful grandpa...

 rotfl 

Ikra...that is THE BEST observation I've ever seen on this forum! I couldn't stop laughing! Great line!!!



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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

Most of the hassles of air travel are not the airlines' fault, but are a result of a failure in the government run parts of the system. Air Traffic Control is an antiquated mess. There is a shortage of runways at a few key hubs. And the TSA (though it is improving) just makes things worse. Billions of dollars have been thrown at these problems - mostly money from excise and ticket taxes - and we have seen no results.

But the public blames the airlines and the "solution" is going to be still more government, which will cause still more problems.

Rooney is very uninformed on this issue. For example, he once accused airlines of canceling a flight to save money, because there were too few passengers to make money. Of course, airlines do not do this because their schedules require that their planes be at certain places at certain times. When an airline cancels a flight - it is because they have no choice. Sometimes they have a choice of what flight to cancel, because of the nature of the specific problem. In that case, they will cancel the flight that will inconvenience the least number of people.

He also accuses airlines of lying about the reason for delays - ie, blaming the weather
when there is "not a cloud in the sky". He does not know about things like wind conditions and system delays caused by weather at other airports. That would require him to do research rather than pontificate - and that is too much for him.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

He just gets confused by these new fangled thinigs they call "jets". It is a new concept for him...

I guess we found the 7 people who still watch Andy Rooney, they are here on A.net  Wink



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User currently offlineP3Orion From United States of America, joined May 2006, 544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8227 times:



Quoting Cloudy (Reply 10):
Air Traffic Control is an antiquated mess.

Do you care to expand on that?



"Did he say strap in or strap on?"
User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8177 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 9):
Ikra...that is THE BEST observation I've ever seen on this forum! I couldn't stop laughing! Great line!!!

Laughing? What's funny about what he said?


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8167 times:



Quoting Jmbweeboy (Thread starter):
The airlines are their own worst enemies. They are destroying demand for their own product.

Well airport authorities and other infrastructure aren't helping but point well taken.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
It goes to show that he cares more about a few hours of hassle than about his own family. What a wonderful grandpa...

haha so true.

As for Rooney, at least he's old, white with an Anglo name. I have to put up with all the same sh*t as him but have the added privilege of being "middle eastern looking" and having a name that homeland security pronounces "How do you say that son? Where's that from?" and because I travel for work often book <24 hours in advance. Can anyone say SSSS? Yes sir can I please have another secondary screening. Stop yer bitching Rooney and go see your family. Tool.

YOWza



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8097 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
Can anyone say SSSS

That's a pain. I got SSSS once because I refused to go through the machine that takes naked pictures of you. Nobody needs to see that. Nobody wants to see that!

If I had SSSS every time I fly, I'd not be a happy camper.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7900 times:



Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):
As for Rooney, at least he's old,

Boy, I'll say. He turned 90 in January. If I even live to be that old, I probably won't want to travel anymore either.

BTW, here's his commentary from the other night.

Link

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2248 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 7800 times:

Airlines are not without blame in that they control the levels of service. They can choose how to treat a customer when things go wrong such as the envitable delays. However, a lot has to do with the levels of security. I am glad for the security.

However, everyone just seems grumpier. TSA, agents, and other passengers. I am as fed up with pain in the ass fellow travelers as much or more. I actually asked a woman who kept bitching about some very little things if she always this nasty or just when she traveled. So to be fair a fellow the age of Andy Rooney having to remove shoes or belts etc. gets to be bigger than it really is. My dad has Parkinson's so these sort of little things get very problematic. But if Andy Rooney or anyone else for that matter is going to be grumpy I am quite happy they decide to stay home.


User currently offlineFrmrCAPCADET From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

At ninety a person generally does not have the physical and mental resources to deal with a lot of hassle. And a lot of us a lot younger do weigh the hassle we have come to expect against the rewards of the trip we may want to take. And consider what else we could do with the same resources. I fly less after a couple bad trips. And I do not take it out on the FAs or fellow passengers, except in the sense that I may not take a trip, and am one less customer.

Flying in a very restricted space is stressful, even if one is not aware of it. The choices for food, your control over the imponderables (delays, fog, luggage stowage, security, customs, ground transportation) are big negatives. In former times the semi-luxury of travel, being a little pampered went a long way to compensate for those negative things. The flight was, but is no longer a high light of the vacation/trip. And NO, they do not owe me being pampered - but you gotta know that it does something which made you feel better about everything else.



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User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7660 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):

I have worked for Delta my entire career - and supported their policies
I have watched Andy Rooney - and respected him from when I was in high school.
This has NOTHING to do with how he feels about his family .... this has EVERYTHING to do with the "hassle factor" we all endure today


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7578 times:



Quoting DeltaCTO (Reply 19):
This has NOTHING to do with how he feels about his family .... this has EVERYTHING to do with the "hassle factor" we all endure today

Sorry, but it is a choice he is making.

I will not put up with the hassle even if it means not seeing my children and grandchildren, and with so few years left to live, I could be choosing to not see them at all.

My grandparents lived to 95 and 98, and traveled as long as they were physically able because they wanted to see their family. They would always ask for a wheel chair because they couldn't walk long distances or stand around, and the wheel chair meant there were people to help them along the way.

Mr. Rooney has the resources to travel with an aid, as well.

So either he is just being a curmudgeon for TV and will travel, or he's making a choice of his comfort over seeing his family.

It's hard to spin it any other way. No matter how funny you think the guy is.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7567 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
It goes to show that he cares more about a few hours of hassle than about his own family. What a wonderful grandpa...

Definitely agree with you. Made me think of my dear grandfather who's been dead a good many years now. Wow how lucky I was to grow up living in the same city as he did. I'd go through any trouble to see my grandchildren many times a year; hope I have them one day. I actually hope he's joking and just said this for TV. Nothing worse than being old and jaded.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineOffshoreAir From United States of America, joined May 2009, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7413 times:



Quoting Jmbweeboy (Thread starter):
I am wondering how many other A'Netters picked up Andy Rooney's comments about air travel on last Sunday night's 60 Minutes.

Long story short, he said while he has children and grandchildren in both California and Europe (he lives in Connecticut) that he was making no plans to go visit them this summer due to all the hassle with air travel. He said while he has the money to buy any type of ticket he needs he just can't be bothered with the whole garbage experience air travel has become.

Just confirms what I've mentioned to many. The airlines are their own worst enemies. They are destroying demand for their own product. The last thing so many people want to do is get on an airplane period. Sad!

Haha, it is Andy Rooney guys, he has built the better half of his career on being a crotchety old man. That's what American loves about him, he is THAT grandfather - the one who hates everything to a degree that is very humorous. He even did a segment once on how he hated fan-mail, especially all the gifts he got from fans, as well as small thank you notes. He is an "old school" shock jock if you will. I really enjoy his segments, but they need to be seen as mostly entertainment. Sure, he has some great insight, but an aged man talking about how everything was so much better back in "his" day and complaining about everything is a pretty typical American cliche.  Smile



OffshoreAir
User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3856 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7389 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
My grandparents lived to 95 and 98, and traveled as long as they were physically able because they wanted to see their family.

Well my grandmother lived to be almost 101 but I would never dream of making her come visit me. I would make the effort to visit her

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Mr. Rooney has the resources to travel with an aid, as well.

He probably also has the resources to pay for his family to come visit him, so I say let his kids and grandkids get off their butts and go through the hassle.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7389 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
It goes to show that he cares more about a few hours of hassle than about his own family. What a wonderful grandpa...

And actually, I can't even see where the hassle is?!
All the last flights, business and private, domestic and international, were no hassle at all.

Go to the aiport in time if you don't want to be time stressed, or even more important if you are not used to air travel go to the airport IN TIME!! Pay a bit more for full service carriers if you need to, ask for assistance and you will get it.

Last but not least nobody will blame a 90 year old for not being the quickest at security or the last one to enter for boarding.

btw...who is Andy Rooney?


25 Post contains links Borism : Oh, come on! Whining about old whining comedian, how unclassy is that? Instantly reminded me of Louis CK's Everything is amazing, nobody is happy... s
26 Ozark1 : You guys are incorrect about "SERVICE SUCKING" on airlines. What has changed is the medias determination to paint the industry as something that resem
27 Bananaboy : Absolutely. This weekend, I'm flying back LHR/LAX to spend a day and a half with my in-laws, before returning to London. And in economy too. Why? It'
28 Post contains links Pellegrine : Some old comedian who has about 30 seconds on American TV every week. Sometimes he's funny, sometimes he makes you wish you changed the channel. http
29 QualityDr : He's afraid he'll get the lawn chair on the wing of an old JN-4 biplane, like the last time he traveled to visit family... Seriously, though, he is n
30 SCCutler : Key issue, really: TSA and their ridiculous security theatre.
31 RFields5421 : The US FAA has said for years that the ATC system is old, uses outdated computers and programming and is extremely inefficient for today's airspace d
32 IFly2Eat : At least we know the ONE person who still watches Rooney's incoherent yammerings.
33 Mayor : What saddens me the most about this thread is the apparent lack of respect for someone that is older, not necessarily Rooney but all older people. I'v
34 NIKV69 : I think the people that think this way are few and far between. Not to mention most of what comes out of this man's mouth is complete garbage.
35 7673mech : At the risk of getting flamed - I will agree with him. Been working in the industry 18 years and I dread traveling - used to love it. And to be honest
36 Xdlx : You are quite right.....and deserve a kudos on your comments. Most others beleive the way that things are now is because of "factors beyond our contr
37 FrmrCAPCADET : I am surprised you would be so judgmental regarding a 90 year old. It is not entirely uncommon for someone that age to take a long hoped for flight,
38 Richierich : Boy he's not looking too good though. There is only so much makeup they can put on him but he's starting to look like something that awoke from a mor
39 NicoEDDF : Customer Service is existent. I can't remember a flight where I was badly treated. Quite the difference! Proper pair of shoes? Is it wrong to wear op
40 RFields5421 : They are few and far between on A-Net. They are common as mosquito's across most of the United States. Flying is an experience which is only tolerate
41 Isitsafenow : The company's(airline) definition of Customer Service in the 21st century.. .....One of our employees who talks to the customers of this airline.....
42 ODwyerPW : let me guess? andy complained about it. "boo hoo, i'm rich but can't be bother to go visit my family becuase I will be inconvienced for a few hours."
43 Post contains links Luv2cattlecall : I usually play the Louis CK clip about how traveling used to involve riding a Conestoga wagon while getting arrows shot at you by Indians whenever so
44 TheCol : Not nessicarily true. I've seen a number of flights get cancelled due to the fact that there wasn't enough passengers. " target=_blank>http://www.you
45 KE7JFF : First of all, I'm surprised Rooney doesn't have GREAT grandkids since he probably was on the first Pam Am flight in the 30s with Juan Trippe handing h
46 B6MoneyGuyJFK : My dad, in his 70's has a saying the "People do what they want to do. No more. No less." If it was that important to the man to see his family, he'd m
47 UN_B732 : Anyone wanna bet we see Andy on AA or UA F JFK-LAX within a few months? hehe. -a
48 Fxramper : He was correct and you are incorrect. Airlines are notorious for this. AA has been heavily fined in recent years for getting caught by the FAA. It's
49 Ckfred : Look, flying used to be fun. Security wasn't a hassle. Planes left on time. Service in the cabin was pleasant. You can blame the governmetn for the pr
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