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BMI A321 Taking Off At Belfast City - Scary!  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

Just arrived in Belfast City Airport this evening on a FlyBE flight, as doing some work here for a few days and as we landed an BMI A321 was begining its track down the runway and as we was was taxing to the stand, I saw the BMI flight depart on runway 22!

The whole experience of seeing that A321 take off, had my heart in my mouth!

Im not gonna say in anyway Im a pilot and know the safety boundries or limits of the A321. But from a personal experience seeing the flight depart was gobsmacking! It took the whole runway to depart and I would say there was no more than 50-100 metres on the runway left when it actually got airbourne and was past the "piano" markings before it left the ground!

It went up like a rocket and was one of the steepest climbs I have seen of any any commercial aircrafts taking off in recent years. The engines roared like it was a DC-9! Was easily heard over the noisy engines of my Dash 8-400Q.

I just checked out the data for BHD and realised the runway is only 6000ft, a runway of that length for an A321 must be seriously pushing the aircrafts performance boundaries!?

People who are familiar with BHD, might think this post is totally irrelevent and no different to any other BMI A321 departing, but thought I would share it with you! (Be nice please don't flame me!)

In my opinion it just doesn't seem to leave those A321's much room for error if anything goes wrong when on a take off roll!

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16420 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
People who are familiar with BHD, might think this post is totally irrelevent and no different to any other BMI A321 departing, but thought I would share it with you!

Try landing in storm force winds in Wintertime lol....I know what you mean though. Its an interesting experience.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16399 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I just checked out the data for BHD and realised the runway is only 6000ft, a runway of that length for an A321 must be seriously pushing the aircrafts performance boundaries!?

A321s are fairly regular in Skiathos in Greece, which has a runway of 5,341ft, so Belfast City's runway certainly isn't the shortest they operate from.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16249 times:

It might seem scary watching but when you are looking out from the cockpit of any aircraft and you know you have speed and momentum on your side, the end of the runway becomes almost as irrelevent as seeing a turn in the road ahead of you when you are driving.

User currently offlineSuper737 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16247 times:

The A321 has no problem with runway 04/22. When you landed was it possibly the position of your flight on the taxiway/stand? Sometimes its just the angle you see it at but those long buses have no issues at BHD.


If its not a super tractor its not a plane
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16161 times:



Quoting Super737 (Reply 4):
Sometimes its just the angle you see it at but those long buses
have no issues at BHD.

Its possible, but it definately seemed a far more powerful take-off than others seen and they definately close to the end of the runway when its wheels left the ground.

Also another question, slightly off topic!

Was my first time at BHD, and liked the token single air bridges, specially for the BMI flights and to meet their requirements! Are they the only airline that uses this?

Its a far cry from Terminal 2 at BHX where I left from and they have no end of air bridges, but not a single one was being used by any of the airlines. Despite it being reasonably busy! I suppose this is a hangover from the BA days of them using the terminal exclusively!


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15989 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
Its a far cry from Terminal 2 at BHX where I left from and they have no end of air bridges, but not a single one was being used by any of the airlines. Despite it being reasonably busy! I suppose this is a hangover from the BA days of them using the terminal exclusively!

T3 at MAN can look like that these days.



Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15912 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
Was my first time at BHD, and liked the token single air bridges, specially for the BMI flights and to meet their requirements! Are they the only airline that uses this?

IIRC BMI paid for the Air Bridge and thus are the sole users. Maybe thats changed ! I have never seen anyone else use it though.


Interesting blog here ::

Might make the bmi landings a bit less nerve-wracking as the pilots plump the planes down at the start of the runway and throw on the handbrake!

http://alaninbelfast.blogspot.com/20...ity-airport-could-be-sold-off.html


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15559 times:



Quoting Super737 (Reply 4):
The A321 has no problem with runway 04/22.

It may seem short, but there are other airports with very short runways.

SNA has a runway 5701 feet in length. It handles 9 million pax per year and I know there are at least a few 757s landing there. It also handles long distance flights to ATL and ORD.


User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15515 times:

I loved watching the BMI airbus and FR 737 departures over the city at BHD. Seems to be a fairly steep powerful takeoff compared to the smaller aircraft. I assume there is a reason for the steep departure when over the city for noise abatement reasons???

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
Was my first time at BHD, and liked the token single air bridges, specially for the BMI flights and to meet their requirements! Are they the only airline that uses this?

As I remember the gate (4) door is surrounded by BMI logo in lounge, so appears to be exclusive use, and once through the gate doors you enter a corridor on ground level and then have to walk up a few sets of stairs to board by air bridge, the only one at BHD. Seems odd to me to climb stairs to get to airbridge to then board aircraft. Doesn't this kind of defeat the object? Might as well just board aircraft by steps outside. Still I guess it means BMI passengers aren't exposed to the cold and wet.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 5):
Its a far cry from Terminal 2 at BHX where I left from and they have no end of air bridges, but not a single one was being used by any of the airlines. Despite it being reasonably busy! I suppose this is a hangover from the BA days of them using the terminal exclusively!

I noticed this too. With the end of BA ops only seen AF/KL use the airbridges now and BE seem to with the larger E jets. Needless to say FR don't. Also interesting set up they have to make use of all the airbridges: steps pushed up to the airbridge so passengers walk up / down airbridge then onto the steps to get to tarmac walk to aircraft then climb up steps. Did this on a recent BE flight operated by a E145.

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 6):
T3 at MAN can look like that these days

This I just don't get at MAN. The LCCs WW and U2 have all those airbridges free but don't tend to use them. I assume it must be cost at MAN because I've boarded/deplaned on steps at MAN T3 when airbridge free on that stand but at the foreign airport (for me this was BCN and PRG on WW) an airbridge was used. BE seem to use the airbridge for the E190 as does SN for the RJs. And of course the BA shuttles.

Why is it certain LCCs (i.e WW) seem to be airbridge averse at MAN but not overseas?


User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15060 times:

BMI usually send an A319 to Belfast do they not?

User currently offlineBFSBHD From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14892 times:



Quoting Bochora (Reply 10):
BMI usually send an A319 to Belfast do they not?

Usually it is an A319 or A320, but since the start of this month the A321 has been a more frequent visitor.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3314 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14100 times:

I do a lot of photography at BHD and so far I am still waiting to catch the A321! Is there any particular times they use the A321's. I'm sure anybody there today would've got a cracking shot of the BMI A321 lifting off late!


Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1804 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13901 times:



Quoting Spud757 (Reply 9):
This I just don't get at MAN. The LCCs WW and U2 have all those airbridges free but don't tend to use them. I assume it must be cost at MAN because I've boarded/deplaned on steps at MAN T3 when airbridge free on that stand but at the foreign airport (for me this was BCN and PRG on WW) an airbridge was used. BE seem to use the airbridge for the E190 as does SN for the RJs. And of course the BA shuttles.

Why is it certain LCCs (i.e WW) seem to be airbridge averse at MAN but not overseas?

Alot of the time it depends on the handling agreement. At LGW, U2 extensively use airbridges aswell as down route. For example, U2 always use an airbridge at TFS even on busy charter days when other flights are out on remote.



Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 13337 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
SNA has a runway 5701 feet in length. It handles 9 million pax per year and I know there are at least a few 757s landing there. It also handles long distance flights to ATL and ORD.

..and it's great fun as a passenger, especially in a 757, they wind up the engines with the brakes on and then let go followed by a steep initial climb out with a sudden reduction in the rate of climb and throttle back for noise abatement. The captain usually announces this before departure as it can be a bit unnerving to the unitiated. All done in the cause of keeping the nimbys happy, whose own private jets are far noisier than almost any commercial flight out of SNA these days. Any similiar procedures at BHD to compensate for the 6000' runway?


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 12556 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 2):
A321s are fairly regular in Skiathos in Greece, which has a runway of 5,341ft, so Belfast City's runway certainly isn't the shortest they operate from.

Those A321's mostly fly Skiathos - Voulos before continuing to Britain I believe from when I was last there which means they much lighter than normal. Could be wrong though.

-SA006



Proudly South African
User currently offlineSpud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12276 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 14):
and it's great fun as a passenger, especially in a 757, they wind up the engines with the brakes on and then let go

They did this at JMK when XL had leased 757s on the MAN charter flights. The captain made an announcement about the short runway etc. Love the sound of those powerful engines on the 757 winding up with the brakes on, the whole plane feels like it's about to launch; then it does.... like a rocket. Love it! Shame this route will be 737 from the UK with Viking now XL are no more.


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3678 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11974 times:

Can't wait! I will be in Belfast for 10 days next month for a company training and I just noticed that my company booked me on a BMI flight to Belfast City. Is it as 'impressive' as flying to LCY??

Quoting SA006 (Reply 15):
Those A321's mostly fly Skiathos - Voulos before continuing to Britain I believe from when I was last there which means they much lighter than normal. Could be wrong though.

I am not sure about that, does Volos even have an airport???


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11910 times:



Quoting SA006 (Reply 15):
Those A321's mostly fly Skiathos - Voulos before continuing to Britain I believe from when I was last there which means they much lighter than normal. Could be wrong though.

True, but then BHD-LHR isn't exactly the longest of routes either. The A321s departing from Skiathos will also have more passengers and far more luggage than the Bmi aircraft leaving Belfast, so they will probably be pretty similar in weight.


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11910 times:



Quoting Lewis (Reply 17):
am not sure about that, does Volos even have an airport???

Im pretty sure. Its Volos AFB if im not mistaken. When I was there in 05 alot of the charter flights would fly JSI-Volos then on to their destination.

Volos is that coastal town on the coast is it not? Near Larissa?



Proudly South African
User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11820 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 18):

Understand that , was just responding to your comment about Skiathos  Smile

-SA006



Proudly South African
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

Volos and Thessaloniki are the airports generally used for fuel stops. XL used to use Lemnos as well, and sold holidays there to make it a double-drop flight, as apposed to just a fuel stop. Monarch do the same with Volos.

User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3678 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11541 times:



Quoting SA006 (Reply 19):

Yes, that is Volos, its situated on the coast inside a gulf. I didn't know that civilian flights were using the airport (for refuelling I suppose).


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12594 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8277 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):

SNA has a runway 5701 feet in length. It handles 9 million pax per year and I know there are at least a few 757s landing there. It also handles long distance flights to ATL and ORD.

Yes, but don't forget that the 757 is a significantly more powerful aircraft than the 321 - and can operate into some airport which can't accommodate A321s. Where I live - Jersey - both types are a rarity, but the 757 has operated here on a regular basis, when BA used to operate the LHR route. I remember a bmi pilot telling me that 319s and 320s could operate here, but not 321s.

Have 757s ever operated to BHD?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8160 times:



Quoting Lewis (Reply 22):
Yes, that is Volos, its situated on the coast inside a gulf. I didn't know that civilian flights were using the airport (for refuelling I suppose).

Yes last year XL had to make some un scheduled stops in Volos on their DUB-JTR/JSI flights.


25 DLDTW1962 : Try a B757 landing in SRQ. First I did that, I thought we would run right off the runway into highway 41/301. You talk about brake action. Scarded the
26 PlymSpotter : The A321 is a powerful aircraft - I landed at MXP a few years ago in one, and it touched down and turned off within 1000m.
27 Post contains images Gilesdavies : I think it really depends on the approach, I am also visiting Belfast with work and while I have been here since yesterday, all flights are arriving
28 EwRkId : Doesn't CO have a daily flight from EWR to BFS using the 752?? im sure that is abit heavier then the A321
29 Viscount724 : CO operates to Belfast International Airport (also known as Aldergrove), code BFS, which has a 9,100 ft. runway. This thread involves Belfast City Ai
30 AirNZ : Funny enough, I was going to mention that until I got down to your post. Yep, it changed quite a while ago from the A321 to A320, so thank's as I had
31 EwRkId : ahh my mistake thank you
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