TwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 36692 times:
Just to let everyone know. Jon over at Flightblogger has mentioned that they have just spooled up the Trent1000s on the 787 a few minutes ago . The clock is ticking
Caetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 867 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 36673 times:
I know some people won't be excited until she flies, but woohoo! That's awesome!
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 22934 posts, RR: 78 Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 36666 times:
Rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1252 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 36613 times:
SHE LIVES!!! SHE LIVES!!!!
This is getting to be epic..... What's next, ground taxi testing I believe?
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ABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 813 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 36588 times:
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2909 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 35897 times:
They must really be pushing hard to do this at night when pictures can't be easily taken. With all the publicity surrounding the program and all.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3894 posts, RR: 31 Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 35661 times:
Sorry guys, I'm sure this has been covered a million times but I'm way behind on keeping up with the progress...
Does anyone know the estimated date for first flight? Would be cool to make it up there if possible.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
QANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1540 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 35195 times:
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 8): Does anyone know the estimated date for first flight?
This week looks like they are working on engine runs. Still to come are taxiing runs, high speed taxiing, and aborted take offs where they'll punch it down the runway and stop to the point where the brakes get red hot. After that comes first flight. I read somewhere where this is all to take 5 weeks. So, as of this date, they can make it by "end of Q2" or end of June. Though, in my mind, first week July is close enough to that goal.
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Sunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1751 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 35167 times:
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 11): This week looks like they are working on engine runs. Still to come are taxiing runs, high speed taxiing, and aborted take offs where they'll punch it down the runway and stop to the point where the brakes get red hot. After that comes first flight. I read somewhere where this is all to take 5 weeks. So, as of this date, they can make it by "end of Q2" or end of June. Though, in my mind, first week July is close enough to that goal.
Around July 4th would be great.
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Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3894 posts, RR: 31 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 35102 times:
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1475 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 34253 times:
Some people here are confusing the V1 rotation test with aborted takeoff test.
V1 test is the one that will be performed before the first flight. It means that the plane is accelerated to the rotation speed to verify that the wings and flaps generate amount of lift required for takeoff as designed with no critical issues. No emergency braking action is done during that test, even though the braking itself is a little stronger than the one that takes place during the landing.
Aborted takeoff is not performed before the first flight - usually it is done well into the flight testing programme, because in most cases it causes destruction of the main landing gear tires and in some the disc brake fire, which puts the test frame out of service for a few days. That's when the brakes get "red hot", as the emergency rejected takeoff braking action is engaged.
Quoting Caetravlr (Reply 1): I know some people won't be excited until she flies
Got that right.
I feel like Homer in a Simpsons episode I saw yesterday where the film won't start because they keep showing so many trailers. "START THE MOVIE! START THE MOVIE!"
Rheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1873 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33603 times:
Carryover from the previous thread: The 787 APU does NOT provide pneumatic power, it's purely electric, 2 x 225kVA (or is it 2 x 250kVA in the meantime?)
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 14): Aborted takeoff is not performed before the first flight - usually it is done well into the flight testing programme, because in most cases it causes destruction of the main landing gear tires and in some the disc brake fire,
Don't confuse the rejected takeoff test (RTO) test done before first flight with the maximum brake energy rejected takeoff test you describe above. The difference between the two is that he latter is done at MTOW, while the former is done at a lower gross weight (minimum would be the mission TOW planned for first flight).
Soooooo...now that the engines are running, how much time remaining to first flight? How good is NYC787's guess, shooting for ~4 days for intermediate gauntlet, ~10 days for final gauntlet, and two weeks for taxi, brake and RTO (putting the end-of-May context aside)? http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2009/04/c...ing-fly-787-before-end-of-may.html
SpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 601 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33445 times:
Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 16): Don't confuse the rejected takeoff test (RTO) test done before first flight with the maximum brake energy rejected takeoff test you describe above. The difference between the two is that he latter is done at MTOW, while the former is done at a lower gross weight (minimum would be the mission TOW planned for first flight).
Isn't the RTO test performed on every single newbuilt plane before first flight?
757GB From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 428 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33198 times:
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but as NYC777 mentioned in his blog, somebody (leaving a comment on Jon's blog) mentioned that the engines were turned and fuel was added, but no ignition took place. According to that comment, engine start would take place today in the morning. Of course I can't speak for the accuracy of the comment, however it may very well be true.
IAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 499 posts, RR: 48 Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32894 times:
Hey guys,
Just posted this:
UPDATE 7:35 AM ET: Last night's Braxton Hicks engine "start" had all the ingredients of the real thing. Though the last step, engine ignition, is being held for early this morning in Everett. ZA001's engines were spun up for the first time with fuel flowing to the engine, several sources tell FlightBlogger. The test bore a strong resemblance to engine start, minus the tell-tale cloud of white smoke that would be seen when the storage oil is burnt off.
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I feel like I'm covering the election of a new Pope. We're all just waiting for that puff of white smoke. My apologies for the false start on this one. I would say first start is only a few hours away, but full on mental exhaustion has set in and we're all just getting jumpy, we'll know soon when it really happens.
Nomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1286 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32373 times:
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 19): My apologies for the false start on this one.
TwinOtter4Ever From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 31984 times:
Sorry guys...wish I was there to confirm it.....as you saw on flightblogger... No smoke, in this case, means no fire. I guess it will be clear to us when they really do run. You won't have to even be at PAE to notice it . Hopefully this will happen soon..........
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 7286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 31792 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15): I feel like Homer in a Simpsons episode I saw yesterday where the film won't start because they keep showing so many trailers. "START THE MOVIE! START THE MOVIE!"
Poor RussianJet.
Perhaps you should go on vacation to some place without Internet service till mid June?
Otherwise be prepared to hear about it every time someone twists a knob or tightens a bolt on the 787.
I know we're like new parents carrying around pictures of our new baby, but it can't be helped.
Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 31076 times:
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 19): Last night's Braxton Hicks engine "start" had all the ingredients of the real thing
You must be a recent Dad.
"How many meters are the hanger doors dilated?"
Good way to get tossed out of the delivery room I would imagine.
This whole business has me on pins and needles. I hope they are recording all this stuff so we can watch the process speeded up on the Discovery Channel.
Meanwhile, thanks for keeping an eye on this for us. I am refreshing your page every half hour today.
27 Osiris30: Thank you! Make that 3... but I also follow on twitter, so SMS for the win
28 Faro: Congratulations to all the folks over at Boeing, may this be the first of many !! Faro
29 OyKIE: For those of you not following Flightblogger That is 14 minutes away!!!!!
30 757GB: Your 1/2 hour refresh was about 5 minutes earlier than mine LOL!
31 OyKIE: LOL I am supposed to be writing my Master thesis sketch due to be finished soon, but this is interesting!
32 F9Animal: This is a very special day for Boeing, and every employee that has worked to get this airplane out of the factory. I too can't wait to see this beauti
33 RussianJet: That is a brilliant idea, at least it would be if I didn't have to go to work every day (or night, as in the case of today).
34 757GB: Interesting info by NYC777: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ Fire engine standing by, cowlings closed... good signs [Edited 2009-05-21 09:08:26]
35 Allegro: We want sound too!! Can hardly wait to hear those engines!! Someone please, please record the sound. Just ordered a really cool Head-on view 787 baseb
36 Gr8Circle: "Beastie"? The 787's a slim beauty....were you referring to the A380, by any chance...?
37 OyKIE: Indeed! I am so excited! I'll second that I wish I could be at the factory right now!!!!!
38 Nomadd22: "Fancher says intermediate gauntlet has moved to the left (sooner) and will last seven days. All systems hardware and software on the aircraft has bee
40 Shankly: Yep me too. Can't wait to fly on yet another twin engined wide-body filled with people i'd rather not spend 10 hours with whilst a hacked off FA occa
41 TISTPAA727: Whoohooo....its finally happened! Thanks Jon for keeping us up to date. And thank goodness I can stop clicking refresh
42 OyKIE: That is some very good news! How far are we from intermediate gauntlet? I understand engine tests will take 2 days at least before the plane are move
43 Twinotter4ever: They're Alive First flight coming soon and by the looks of it #2, 3, 4, 5....will not be far behind. Good work. Finally nice to see thing progress. Th
44 Nomadd22: Here's hoping they have better luck than a certain A340 did on engine checkout. Â I doubt if any plane could be good enough to cure pathalogical whin
45 MCIGuy: Yep, white smoke seen from the eninges. I'm hoping Liz Matzelle will have some more HD video.
46 Zeke: Fire engines tend to also standby in the US when fuel related activities are done with people still on-board the aircraft.
47 NYC777: My estimate is around June 19th. By the way, ZA003 is close to be ing powered on.
48 757GB: Correct. I meant the comment in context with the article linked, not as a determining factor in itself.
49 IAD787: First pics are coming in right now: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/ My blogging platform has been funny all morning and the direct li
50 NYC777: Some pics of the engine start are here: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2009/05/first-pics-of-787-engine-start.html Thanks to Liz Matzelle for allowing me
51 757GB: Thank you both once again for the AWESOME JOB!!!
52 NYC777: Interesting note: Liz Matzelle told me that the engines a re SILENT when they're on. The frogs 100 ft away from her were louder than the engines. WOW!
53 Revelation: Would you like some cheese with that whine?
54 OyKIE: Double WOW!!! I agree! It is very nice to be able to follow this event so closely. So Thank you once more!
55 PolymerPlane: Boeing has to eat their own words on white noise now . Prepare for PR spin Cheers, PP
56 SeaBosDca: I can't imagine! An airframer engaging in PR spin... Seriously, though, I doubt the engines will be much quieter than before from inside the aircraft
57 Petera380: Anyone know the registrations of all 6 flight test aircraft? I think the first is N787BA and the second maybe N787EX? Thanks, Peter
58 Adipasqu: Huh? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over this JT8D stuck in my right ear...lol.
59 Glom: Confused.. confused... oh yes. Didn't Boeing try to argue that the 777's noisier cabin compared to the A340 was an advantage because it drowned out t
60 Ikramerica: That's at idle. Boeing new the engines were going to be so quiet that they trimmed the insulation inside the aircraft specifically because they are n
62 IAD787: I believe this is what you all wanted to see and hear: Video: Boeing 787 - ZA001 - Engine Start - May 21, 2009 http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...
63 Osiris30: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is wrong with the two of you. That droning engine noise is the best part of sitting on a 9/80/etc. Amazing how so many of you t
64 757GB: It gave me that impression too. No way to be sure of course. It's funny how the frog's noise was quite clear at the beginning.
65 787: One more off the checklist for 787! First flight will be Tuesday June 30.
66 WILCO737: Is that a confirmed date? Where do you get that from? Or is it only a guess? wilco737
67 Hawkercamm: Some of the early engine tests involve spooling the engine up and allowing fuel to pass through unburnt. This allows the integrity of the fuel piping
68 Glideslope: Kudos to the 787 team. Today you were part of history.
69 Glideslope: Agreed , a good tad over idle for a spurt. The Frogs were very evident. The wind did seem to be blowing away from the microphone. Still very quiet th
70 Ikramerica: It's the last day of Q2 2009. He's just using the worst-best case scenario.
71 WILCO737: Well said Everything after the 21st would be fine, then I'd hop on the LH490 (FRA-SEA) and guess where I will be thean wilco737
72 Osiris30: And from what I could hear they engines had a very nice 'tone' to them. Be interesting to hear it up close, but you those RRs did sounds quite nice.
73 CARST: A lot of people say it will be June 19th, cause Boeing would like to do it on a Friday too have a larger effect on the media; Sunday newspapers, Mond
74 WILCO737: That would suck as I would be on vacation then - not in SEA though... I'd just call Boeing and ask them to postpone... A couple of days later wouldn'
75 CARST: I am sure they will do that for you ... they are on-time with the whole program, so they don't care about a delay of some days and some good media re
76 Stitch: I would think if they could Boeing would like to get it into the air during Paris, hosting a special broadcast in their chalet.
77 MCIGuy: I think it makes sense that things are proceeding ahead of schedule since they've had time to go through her with a fine-tooth comb. Very nice that th
78 CARST: To be a little bit over-optimistic, why wait so long? Perhaps they can bring the whole plane to the Paris Air Show... I think it starts on June 14th.
79 Nomadd22: Anybody have Boeings lates 787 production numbers? As in, how many they'll have finished before they can start delivering them?
80 LY4XELD: And have it sit idle while it could be testing? Not a chance.
81 CARST: Flying two TATL legs just to present her to the public isn't really sitting idle... I would just fly her over one day, have all the media talk about
82 Ikramerica: They could, in theory, run a test flight to RR's neighboorhood (only if they are secure in their belief it won't need to put down somewhere remote),
83 Shankly: Yes please; as long as you don't drop it on my lap!
84 KELPkid: Glad Boeing waited for a clear, blue CAVU and VFR day to do this Congrats, Boeing and Rolls-Royce on a job well done. Hopefully, these engines will ha
85 KELPkid: On kind of a practical matter, IIRC, the FAR's require that an experimental category aircraft (which ZA001 is until Boeing is issued the type certifi
86 Ken777: And it someone in PR reads all of your 5,000+ posts on a.net? At least you can pray for rain.
87 AirframeAS: That's a 9-10 hour flight, man. I don't think Boeing would be too comfy to do that.
88 Ikramerica: Reports are that they have already started the second wave of engine tests as of 2 1/2 hours ago, and that the startup has been declared by Rolls and
89 Brons2: The plane will only have an "experimental" type rating when it flies, can they even fly overseas with that?
90 Ikramerica: Yes. Otherwise, they couldn't complete the flight test program. But there are rules regarding how many hours in you have to have on the plane, etc.
91 AndrewUber: Been there - seen that. Lots of Boeing test flights have been based out of MWH. There is a HUGE runway there, and Moses Lake is very sparsly populate
92 787seattle: This is great news! Thanks for sharing! I sure hope it's not within 3 days of June 19th because that's when school gets out for me (and when the last
93 Carls: Then this will be a problem, who was the guy who said that the quitness of the A380 would be a problem????? I guess it will be a problem here too....
94 Clickhappy: Lots of Boeing test flights have been based out of MWH? Name one. There is no infrastructure in place for Boeing to base anything in Moses Lake - all
95 OldAeroGuy: They usually turn west, fly out the Strait of Juan de Fuca and test off the coast to build up the 40 hours.
96 Tdscanuck: Yes, but the regulatory body(s) of all the airspaces they're going to all have to agree to it. Foreign regulators don't automatically recognize FAA e
97 AirframeAS: Or PAE, for widebodies. BFI is the 737/757 testing and delivery center.
99 PGNCS: Still. Why are you jumpy? It'll fly when Boeing is ready to fly it. Sure it can. Put the pictures away; we've all seen a baby before. Only in a relat
100 Clickhappy: Thanks LOL Here - have a look at some of my 787 pictures
101 Clickhappy: Just another thought - I would take these engine noise comments as just someone's opinion - you can't even hear a Dreamlifter at idle power from that
102 757GB: Well seeing your username, I bet you were looking forward to this!
103 Revelation: I'll name two: B-47 and B-50. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_County_International_Airport I actually remembered about the B-47 from one of t
104 OldAeroGuy: It depends on the tests being conducted. On the 757 program, I spent several nights in Moses Lake. Many certification flight tests are done remotely.
105 NYC777: Boeing said that 787 flight testing will be out of BFI. The 6 test planes will make their initial flight out of PAE but will land at BFI and be based
106 Clickhappy: Of course Boeing goes remote- all manufacturers do, but nobody is running a test program out of MWH. Unless of course you are the guy who mentioned th
107 NAV20: Friday's not actually a good day for 'serious' news, CARST. At this stage Boeing are basically aiming at the professionals of the aviation industry,
108 Allegro: Any word on on where Hot and High test will be? I vote for PHX !! Might not be that high but it sure is hot!
109 NAV20: Could very well be Australia, Allegro:- http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,23734105-5013209,00.html A lot depends on the time of year the tes
110 Baroque: That would be for the "quite hot but not at all high tests" perhaps?
111 Ikramerica: I think that was last year when they thought the flight test would start in November. So now, Australia won't be among the first places to see the 787
112 Tdscanuck: Only production flight testing is done from Everett. Experimental goes from BFI, for both wide and narrowbodies. I'm not quite sure that Boeing actua
113 KirkSeattle: I was planning a birthday trip south the weekend of June 19th....anyone have some guesses on whether or not it's that weekend or next. For the test f
114 SA7700: They could bring it to JNB - it is hot and high. Rgds SA7700
115 Rampart: I recall seeing some 777 testing at PHX. It was in UA colors. I also believe they've used COS for the "high" testing in the past. -Rampart
116 Ruscoe: As you know the 777 did some "hot" testing at Alice Springs. I can think of a couple of good reasons 1. It's Hot, very hot, but usually very dry. So
117 NAV20: There's even a fifth reason, Ruscoe. Qantas is just about their best customer for the 787.....
118 AirframeAS: IWA. Boeing brought down a 773 (was it a -300?) in AF colors a couple years ago. Then who is doing the deliveries? I thought PAE does that for widebo
119 Baroque: Oddly enough just one day over 40C in Dec 2008, Jan 2009 one day, Feb 2009 3 days, Mar first three days but after that not hot at all. Five days with
120 EGCC777LR: I'm not sure that anyone else has picked up on this one but June 12th is the 15th Anniversary of the 777 first flight , it happens to be a Friday as
121 Glom: Why would the 747-8 be significantly noisier than the A380?
122 CARST: Nice find, didn't know that. But June 12th was my second guess anyway, because they could bring her to Paris on-time. ^^ Airbus did a lot of work reg
123 SEPilot: I think you are exaggerating a bit. The Germans did come up with the swept wing concept and did quite a bit of analysis of it, which Boeing used, and
124 Dynamicsguy: Do you really think they aim for a certain level of noise (not to quiet and not too loud)? It's a weight saving opportunity to use less insulation at
125 CARST: That might be true, but it is a fair point. Some days ago there was a thread about airplanes getting too quiet. And i was one of the people arguing t
126 Revelation: Thanks for saving me a lot of typing. Will also add that the pods help counteract the twisting of the wing, which lets the wing be lighter. This conf
128 SEPilot: Just for the record, I am half German myself (my mother was born in Germany and came here in 1938.) I have a very healthy regard for German engineeri
129 OldAeroGuy: Let's see where the 787 lands after the first flight. For delivering Type Certified airplanes, yes. As has been said, Experimental airplanes are base
130 NYC777: I think we all should forget about the 787 being in Paris except in spirit this year. Even if they have first flight before the show Boeing will keep
131 LY4XELD: I agree with Tom - it'll be BFI. There's been plenty of precedent for this with the exception of the 777F which had some sort of issue (which escapes
132 Stitch: I don't think any of us are suggesting Boeing would send an actual 787 to Paris, just that Boeing might try to schedule first flight during the Air S
133 MCIGuy: We won't see air show appearances until mutiple frames are flying, possibly all six.
134 NAV20: Exactly. Except to add that (given that none of the leading firms has anything worthwhile to announce in terms of orders, expansion, new products, et
135 SEPilot: It would be great to have the 787 flying during the airshow, but after pulling one stunt to meet an arbitrary date and have it backfire on them specta
136 757GB: This is totally subjective. But I get the feeling that at Boeing the attitude is more to do the best possible. If it flies on time, great. If it takes
137 United787: What do you all think of a Chicago Air & Water Show appearance? August 15-16 would give them 2 months of testing under their belts...After all, Chica
138 Stitch: And it's a major hub for 787 customer AA. Park it out on the tarmac at ORD when it's not buzzing Lake Michigan.
139 KELPkid: Even that was an "accidental" discovery. The leading edges of the wings on the ME-262 were swept due to a late program design change that altered the
140 Allegro: See the 787 at Farnborough 2010 ... let's hope
141 Stitch: I'd be happier to see her at LHR or LGW in 2010.
142 RedFlyer: Maybe Boeing has picked up on it: [emphasis added] An analyst talking, but maybe he knows some inside information. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/b
143 IAD787: In the last week I've heard the following dates for first flight ALL from very reliable sources: June 1 June 10 June 14 June 19 June 27 I've heard def
144 AirframeAS: I wonder how you can average out all those dates... LOL
145 Gregarious119: That would be June 14th at 0448 hours. Somehow doubt it'll be that early in the mornin'
147 KELPkid: Up here in the Nortwest, this time of year, it will be twilight at time of day (believe it or not). Early morning is traditionally the best flight co
149 Nomadd22: All of Jon's dates were right. They're for the first 5 planes. Number 6 will go on July 8 just to remove the evil stigma of that date. (From a reliabl
150 Rheinbote: Doesn't match with the schedule issued to the press on the media day in April. Apart from that, Fancher said http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...r
151 Flynorth: So now that the engines have been started, what will be the next step in the ground testing before first flight?
153 IAD787: Guys, my point was to suggest that if anyone tells you exactly beyond a shadow of a doubt when first flight will be, they are either: 1. Lying or 2. M
154 Ikramerica: They continue to test up until the point they feel that the intermediate gauntlet, no trimmed to 7 days, can run without a hiccup. Basically, the goa
155 SunriseValley: At any time during the ground tests does the aircraft become airborne for a brief period of time before being put back on the runway?
156 NYC777: It really seems like the 787 has gotten past most of the issues that has been plaguing the program for 2 years. No sign of the major problems that a c
158 Tdscanuck: Deliveries go from PAE for widebodies. Fair enough. The Germans definitely didn't pull all the bits together, that would be on Boeing. The Germans di
159 PlanesNTrains: Makes you wonder what Airbus has "standing by" in the event that the 787 decides to take to the skies before/during the show. I'm not implying anythi
160 Clickhappy: It would be pretty bush-league of Airbus to try to steal any media attention away from Boeing during such a big event, and I really doubt they would d
161 NCB: Are you really sure that all the problems are behind? Just because the engines were started and were turning at idle doesn't mean that the entire air
162 Rampart: Probably not. Mine was probably back in 1994 or 1995, more than a couple years, and I can tell the difference between a UA and AF color scheme. While
163 NAV20: Of course no-one is sure, NCB - not even Boeing. But the significance of getting the engines running can't be over-emphasised. Up to now all testing
164 OldAeroGuy: Deschutes Brewery Obsidian Stout please. Examples: 757 First Flight - takeoff RNT, land PAE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygMTncjJtKg 777 First Flig
165 Hawkercamm: They also had a massive input into the development of modern day aerodynamics through people like: Prandtl Ackeret Blasius Busemann (swept wing) Schl
166 Rheinbote: Your comment reminds me of a scene from "Return of the Jedi", where Vader is reviewing the progress of the second Death Star ("I am here to put you b
167 AirNZ: Is there something wrong with using your own?
168 757GB: From what I gather, the nose will lift briefly during the high speed taxi test right before V1. Excellent description of the whole process on this li
169 Stitch: Is the eight-day schedule of the "final gauntlet" a hard limit imposed to just see what happens over eight days, or is it the schedule Boeing has give
170 Sphealey: Via Flightblogger: Scott Fancher, general manager and vice president of the 787 program, said yesterday at Boeing's annual investor conference: "In ab
171 NAV20: Only a guess, Stitch, but I expect that some of it (like running in the engines) is a matter of hours, but the majority consists of 'ticks in the box
172 Cosmofly: What is holding the plane on the ground when they test to 80 or 100% thrust?
173 NAV20: Others will have better information than I have, Cosmofly, but as far as I know they now have to re-test everything they've tested before. Using the
174 Ikramerica: Well, you took him seriously by countering his joke with facts, so methinks you didn't realize it at the time...
175 OldAeroGuy: The brakes with chocks as a back up.
176 Tdscanuck: I think it's a quantum mechanics thing...the harder we look at the 787, the more wildly it's location seems to jump around. And there's a lot of peop
177 NYC777: They were run at seting higher than idle and that was accomplished on Thursday night. Flightblogger even reported that it was run at thrust levels of
178 Ikramerica: Correct. There were certain things that were being reworked like the braking logic, IIRC, but most of the systems basically had an extra 18 months of
179 Manfredj: This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of delays, and the end of replies like this. Wonderful, but fantasy is one thing, reality is
180 Rheinbote: Left half of brain talking to right half of brain... Seriously, how does engine start-up technically put an end to any delay other than the delay of
182 CARST: There is no direct link between first flight (which will happen in a few weeks) and the problems which caused the delays, but all the fast progress i
183 Pygmalion: I don't disagree in theory but i think you have to look at the engine run as an indicator of the state of the airplane. You could be right, there is
184 Stitch: And none of them really should affect moving to first flight unless the plane wasn't (re-)assembled properly. The airplane is completely assembled wi
186 Lightsaber: It means 3 crews doing round the clock testing. At a minimum, the port engine must be turned off for crew changes. In the case of an EY A346, not muc
187 Cosmofly: It makes sense as the brakes are not proven yet.
188 Stitch: I am sure the brakes were "proven" prior to engine thrust testing. I'm pretty sure a simple visual inspection will show whether or not they are engag
189 IAD787: Yeah, they were proven. Not to mention the BCMS was delivered in ready for flight (different from EIS condition because of the RDC redesign) last fal
190 Tdscanuck: Forget unlikely...it should be darn near impossible. Taxi and gauntlet shouldn't get anywhere close to limit load, let along ultimate. For a structur
191 AirbusA370: On an electric brake? Would brake line voltage be the proper term?
192 Rheinbote: If the 787 can make it in time, one major ingredient for a live broadcast at LeBourget would already be in place: Billboard screens. According to Avia
193 Stitch: Then reporting zero pressure would be a positive sign. Tells you how closely I've been following her design as of late. And don't they do some kind o
194 Tdscanuck: I don't think they do this on the actual airplane, because you'd need a lot of intrastructure to spin and realistically load the wheels (a big dynomo
195 Rheinbote: Certainly. What you can't simulate on a test stand is the elastic deformation of the airframe due to the landing gear loads, which is a dynamic probl
196 WCS: Hi all, I will be in town (on purpose) between 07/06 and 07/09. I will actually spend one night in Everett the day before my returning visit to Future
197 MCIGuy: I'd say you'd stand a pretty good chance of seeing a 787 flying, maybe even 002 by then.
198 Stitch: And if you stay at the PAE Hilton Garden Inn with a view of the tarmac, you will have a nice view of the flight line area.
199 Tdscanuck: You probably can simulate it (by now, they should have a good idea of the structural response), but I'm not sure if they bother. That might be one of
200 WCS: All right all, thanks for the feedback! Yep, I will stay at the Garden Inn. Action is granted, that's for sure. That's a very exciting place to be; As
201 MCIGuy: Well, they're saying 002 should fly about 20 days after 001 and IF they get 001 in the air by say, 6/15...
202 Aerofan: yeah right- i'll believe it when i see it
203 Ikramerica: I would hope you'd believe it when you saw it.
204 Ikramerica: BTW, for those from California who want to fly up for first light, VX is offering $49 one-ways to Seattle from LAX, and I assume it's similar from SFO
205 WCS: That's a good suggestion, and one should not throw it away, even if it's not the Day. I mean, there is some much to do and see around! That more or l
206 Ikramerica: Yeah, but some people can't afford to take two trips to Seattle in two weeks and pay for hotels twice, car twice, take off of work twice, etc. Much c
207 Ikramerica: Correction, it's $59+tax from LAX, $49 from SFO.
208 Dynamicsguy: New Airplane has a new video up called 787 Dreamliner Path to First Flight. It shows a few of the milestones along the way up to the move out to the f
209 757GB: Thanks for the link. The part that impressed the most was the wing deflection test. I've read about it, but in the video the bending of the wing brin
210 Manfredj: I dunno if its been on there a while, but there is also neat video and photos under the 748 tab. I didn't know the 747 was as far along as the photos
211 Khobar: Is this THE wing deflection test - the big 150% test?
212 757GB: Ok from what I gather here: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...etting-from-here-to-there-787.html the ultimate load test will be after first fligh
213 IAD787: Nope, the picture is the limit load test. It takes the wing to 100% of the maximum loads the 787 will ever see in flight. However, they took the wing
214 Part147: Now wouldn't we all be sick if this 'secret first flight' came true!!! http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090526/BLOG01/905269997/1005/BIZ
215 Stitch: I expect the local affiliates will be carrying it live as they did with the 777, but this time it will be in high-definition so I will likely skip bei
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