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BA's Ngncw On The A318?  
User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Not too sure if this has been discussed before... (Brand spanking new member here!!)
British Airways A318 cabin product for the LCY-JFK route... I saw a picture from the BA's investor day back a few months ago, and the simulated image shown was not like any BA Premium product I had seen before.
Does anyone know if they are going to keep the continuity and install the NGNCW on board this jet? or have they had to alter the cabin design to work with the constraints of this type of aircraft?
Again, sorry if this has been discussed/answered before. Just would be interested to know as I work in and out of Manhattan 2-3 months of the year if i can expect to see the NGNCW, as the routing out of London City is looking more and more attractive for my requirements.

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

It's a difficult question to answer. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, no operator of long-haul A318/319s or B737s has managed to fit a fully flat bed J class product like the Club World seat. I guess it's because of space and weight constraints.

Eos managed it on its B757s which operated STN-JFK but this is a much larger plane.


User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6279 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):

It'll be interesting to see how BA brand the cabin if it turns out that it's not going to be the NGNCW seats.

Thanks.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6190 times:



Quoting ClubWorld1986 (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to see how BA brand the cabin if it turns out that it's not going to be the NGNCW seats.

Biz Bed? ala OpenSkies



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8422 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6190 times:
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Quoting LondonCity (Reply 1):
Eos managed it on its B757s which operated STN-JFK but this is a much larger plane.

All Boeing narrow body planes are 142 inches wide, 707, 727, 737 and 757's were all from teh same fuselage. Airbus did a similar thing the A300, A310 & A330/340 are all the same fuselage too.


User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6133 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 3):

Yea, maybe something along those lines... Perhaps that's why they pushing for the communications provider OnAir, to provide in-flight mobile phone services on board, obviously for their core business clientele, but also to try and compensate in some form for the lack of fully flat bed (if it turns out they're slanted/lie flat)


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6133 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
All Boeing narrow body planes are 142 inches wide, 707, 727, 737 and 757's were all from teh same fuselage. Airbus did a similar thing the A300, A310 & A330/340 are all the same fuselage too.

Thanks for pointing this out. I thought that the B757 would have more cabin space for fully flat bed seats than the A318 which BA is using.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5896 times:

I'm sure I read somewhere that they'll be like the openskies seats...?

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5851 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 7):
I'm sure I read somewhere that they'll be like the openskies seats...?

That would make sense. It saves the cost of developing a new seat type.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting ClubWorld1986 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if they are going to keep the continuity and install the NGNCW on board this jet? or have they had to alter the cabin design to work with the constraints of this type of aircraft?

The aircraft will be fitted with a newly designed seat/bad. It has been decided the NGNCW seat is to heavy to fit a 2/2 configuration on the A318. Instead a new lie flat seat will be introduced on the A318. It will be wider than the current CW seat. Further details can be found by clicking this link:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...8-all-business-cabin-revealed.html

There will be 32 seats onboard the A318. The flight will be operated by 1 Purser and 2 Main Crew from BA's LGW base. The service onboard will be an enhanced service to that currently on offer in CW ex LHR and LGW. The popular sleeper service will be available ex JFK and although not yet confirmed it is thought the service may be not that dissimiliar to that offered by Openskies.

Many of BA's biggest customers are based in the city and have shown a huge interest in the route. The minimum 15 minute check in time at LCY and the imigration clearnce at SNN have been all big selling points when the route was first pitched to them over a year ago.

Flights from EDI, GLA, ZRH, FRA and AMS will also offer 30 min connection times at LCY to the JFK route.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8):
Quoting Vasu (Reply 7):
I'm sure I read somewhere that they'll be like the openskies seats...?

That would make sense. It saves the cost of developing a new seat type.

The EC Biz Seat is the old BA cradle seat with added in seat power.

[Edited 2009-05-22 09:05:01]

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Could the flight legally be flown with 2 F/A's since there is less than 100 passengers on-board this A318? This i a bit out of topic, but I do not think it warrant a new thread


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2528 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 10):
Could the flight legally be flown with 2 F/A's since there is less than 100 passengers on-board this A318? This i a bit out of topic, but I do not think it warrant a new thread

No it couldn't as the crew would be required to fit in a break of at least around 45 mins each due to the length of flight. This would then mean the other two would have to be on duty for cabin monitoring. Remember if one F/A has to go into the flight deck another must be on duty in the cabin.


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