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AirTran Dumping Milwaukee-Branson?  
User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 30
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

After just a couple of weeks in the air, it looks like Milwaukee-Branson is being cut to three days per week after June 10th, and then pulled from the schedule after July 6th.

Anybody know if there's anything contractual with Branson that AirTran is obligated to keep X level of service for a certain period?

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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Good to see Air Tran dumping the silliest route they fly. Will MKE-STL be next? I think the Branson route could survive on weekends or on the reduced schedule, but aside from that I really dont see the point.

User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1598 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Atlanta - Branson is going up to nine times a week. The flight today is full.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5332 times:



Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
Good to see Air Tran dumping the silliest route they fly. Will MKE-STL be next? I think the Branson route could survive on weekends or on the reduced schedule, but aside from that I really dont see the point.

MKE-STL JUST started on Thursday, maybe give it some time to see how it is actually doing...

Are you saying MKE-XXX is silly for Air Tran? Why is MKE-Branson silly as is MKE-STL, why not axe DEN too?

Alex



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5284 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
Are you saying MKE-XXX is silly for Air Tran? Why is MKE-Branson silly as is MKE-STL, why not axe DEN too?

point 1 with limited connections - point 2 with little or no no demand to point 1 is silly. It doesn't matter who's flying it or which two cities that may be. Notice I said that I think Branson could survive under certain circumstances.

I'm probably jumping the gun on STL, and thats fine.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

I tought that Branson was going to guarantee a certain amount of revenue to FL for the MKE to Branson route. I am guessing that the contract is up. I never had one person ask me about flying to Branson in the 12 years I have been a travel agent.


Mark in MKE



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User currently offlinePhxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

I don't think anyone can be surprised at this. I mean really...MKE-Branson?!? If people want to go to Branson from Wisconsin, they are likely to just drive. Not only that, but Branson is basically the Wisconsin Dells on steroids and the Dells are much closer than Branson. On top of that, there is little potential for connections into MKE onto Branson. This flight was doomed from the get go.

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
tought that Branson was going to guarantee a certain amount of revenue to FL for the MKE to Branson route

I'm fairly certain that Branson pays either $6 or $8 per passenger to the airline, forget which figure it is.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5093 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
Why is MKE-Branson silly as is MKE-STL,

MKE-STL may seem like an odd route, but when I think about it there is a case to be made. A lot of people from the north suburbs may be as close or closer to MKE as MDW. There may be a bigger market than we think.



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User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5012 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
MKE-STL may seem like an odd route, but when I think about it there is a case to be made. A lot of people from the north suburbs may be as close or closer to MKE as MDW. There may be a bigger market than we think.

Er, how about ORD-STL on AA and UA. Seems like a highly competitive market for people in north suburbs. And both AA and UA dwarf Airtran in terms of frequencies.


User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4980 times:

That's too bad, but I get the feeling this route could've been better served by 2-3 daily YX CRJs. It just seems like more of a route they would fly instead of FL.


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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

What is the airport code for Branson? I tried looking at on FlightAware yesterday, but the only airport that comes up is SGF as Springfield-Branson.

User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4640 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 9):
That's too bad, but I get the feeling this route could've been better served by 2-3 daily YX CRJs

Most of the people who go to Branson are somewhere between 50 and death. They like a slower pace and tend to have a lot of free time on their hands. I would guess that they drive. Branson is more like a Las Vegas with out the neon and strippers. YX would not even service that place with a RJ. Maybe a Q400 that has better economics but that is all.

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineSuprazachair From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4560 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 10):
What is the airport code for Branson? I tried looking at on FlightAware yesterday, but the only airport that comes up is SGF as Springfield-Branson.

KBBG


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
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I would think a route NE from BBG/BKG would do better than MKE. How 'bout BWI. That makes a lot more logical sense than MKE ever would. O and D as well as connecting opportunities. Also, I believe Branson Airport,LLC should get westbound service from there. Unless they are content to give it to G4 from XNA and SGF to LAS and LAX.


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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4331 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 13):
I believe Branson Airport,LLC should get westbound service from there.

The rumors I've heard is that this is in the works. Specifically, F9/L4 from DEN. The wildcard is the economy and if the passenger estimates turn out to be true. It could be a very lucrative route if the demand is there.



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4247 times:



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 11):
Branson is more like a Las Vegas with out the neon and strippers.

Wow your not kidding. They even have their own Strip!
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7620/090106bransonmaindrag.jpg

All along I thought Branson was just your oridinary small town in the heart of the country.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4204 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):

MKE-STL may seem like an odd route, but when I think about it there is a case to be made. A lot of people from the north suburbs may be as close or closer to MKE as MDW. There may be a bigger market than we think.

No you have me confused, I was quoting him because he claimed that Branson was stupid, and while they are at it why not axe MKE-STL, so I said why is that a stupid route, and much less one that only began 2 days ago, I agree MKE-STL could do well for FL, if WN stays off that route.

Alex



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4083 times:



Quoting Michman (Reply 8):
Er, how about ORD-STL on AA and UA. Seems like a highly competitive market for people in north suburbs. And both AA and UA dwarf Airtran in terms of frequencies.

Price can be a powerful motivator. Plus, many people in southern Wisconsin use the Chicago airports too.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 16):
I said why is that a stupid route, and much less one that only began 2 days ago, I agree MKE-STL could do well for FL, if WN stays off that route.

I am not disagreeing with you. I think that MKE-STL might actually be smarter than we think. Once in a while airlines do get things right. After all, twelve years ago or so who would have thought that BMI-ATL/MCO would be a good route, yet it is still here.



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3698 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
Wow your not kidding. They even have their own Strip!

The travel agent knows.  Big grin

Mike have I ever steered you wrong???

Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3410 times:
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Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 11):
Most of the people who go to Branson are somewhere between 50 and death. They like a slower pace and tend to have a lot of free time on their hands. I would guess that they drive.

 checkmark  I couldn't sum it up better myself. There are quite a few people in Iowa who drive down, and they are all older with plenty of time on their hands, and wouldn't fly even if it was cheap.

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 15):
All along I thought Branson was just your oridinary small town in the heart of the country.

Ordinary no, but it is certainly no Vegas. Basically a watered down elderly friendly crappy version of vegas.

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
I never had one person ask me about flying to Branson in the 12 years I have been a travel agent.

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Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 2):
Atlanta - Branson is going up to nine times a week.

Very interesting, I almost bet the connecting flights all over the east coast make this flight, and a lot of the passengers are actually locals or business travelers (what limited number there is). You don't ever hear of any one going from Atlanta to Branson by air for a weekend getaway, nor do you hear of anyone in Boston going to Branson period. The only people who visit are the ones on a road trip with time on their hands or retired folks in the midwest with time on their hands wanting a vacation.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24998 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3273 times:
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Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 14):
The rumors I've heard is that this is in the works. Specifically, F9/L4 from DEN.

I think that might work well (at least for part of the year), or maybe as a one stop through MCI.

I'd never heard of Branson until this thread, and I've done a little digging.

I don't think it's my preferred vacation destination, but there has to be a market for it. I'm surprised at how many hotels they have, and how many shows.

The Baldknobbers Jamboree has been running for fifty years:

http://www.baldknobbers.com/the-show/

Yeehaw!  Smile

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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1598 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

It appears the vast majority of passengers (at least on my flights) are not Branson tourists per se but folks going to/from Springfield, Joplin, Fayetteville and other areas where the limited service is very expensive.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3085 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
think that might work well (at least for part of the year), or maybe as a one stop through MCI.

I concur.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 21):
It appears the vast majority of passengers (at least on my flights) are not Branson tourists per se but folks going to/from Springfield, Joplin, Fayetteville and other areas where the limited service is very expensive.

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User currently offlineDLDTW1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3007 times:

I have a had groups ask me if their are flight service to Branson. I thought NW/DL out of DTW was going to use XJ or 9E to service Branson 2 x's daily?
Is that true...

Chuck In DTW/ARB


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2896 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 19):
Basically a watered down elderly friendly crappy version of vegas

We could set up geritol and depends stands on the corners, as well as inthe terminal.  Wink


Mark in MKE



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25 Skyway1 : When I noticed FL had MKE-BBG I was like W-T-F. I've never been to Branson but I've always envisioned what you described. Maybe even a Gatlinburg wit
26 Mariner : I love Gatlinburg. As a foreigner working in Tennessee I drove up there a couple of times and thoroughly enjoyed myself - especially the Dixie Stampe
27 TheGreatChecko : Personally, I wouldn't go to Branson to see the country stars, I'd go to hang out on the lakes. SW Missouri is the prettiest part of the state and rea
28 Skyway1 : Oh I hear ya'.....spent many a time in my youth in Gatlinburg, Pidgeon Forge, and the Cherokee area of North Carolina. Like Checko mentioned...if I e
29 Mariner : The biggest problem for an airline seems to be the off-season. I gather January to March are pretty quite, and I guess (?) the same is true for, say,
30 Moman : I spent years living there and it's true, but I have a hard time seeing how BBG and SGF won't compete for the same passengers. In the early 1990s Bra
31 Iowaman : The ozarks are a very nice area, with a lot of money in places (and not so much in some as well). It's mostly only known locally (a good chunk of the
32 Mariner : I first went there twenty years ago. I wasn't quite so ancient then. mariner
33 Legacytravel : Hey we age like fine wine mariner. I have not been to Gaitlinburg yet but I will do my Southeast USA and Smokey Mountain National Park trips in the n
34 Enilria : I'm sure what happened is that bookings are so bad that the city pulled the plug to avert writing a giant check. FL wouldn't care if it was full or n
35 Post contains links Knope2001 : Do you know what sort of subsidy they actually are receiving? What I'm finding online are things which either speculate on a subsidy to the airlines,
36 BMI727 : You probably won't find that as I think that BBG is privately owned. They don't have to say, so they won't.
37 Cubsrule : AA flies STL-MKE 3x daily and does just fine with the route. Yields are astronomical (average fare in Q208 was nearly $200 o/w). There's clearly room
38 Enilria : True, but these deals are typically a guarantee of break-even for the airline with a maximum loss which is usually less than $1 million per route. If
39 Legacytravel : filler filler Mark in MKE
40 Mdw22l31c : Would MDW-branson work better the MKE branson. their are a lot of Chicago people in branson.
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