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OMA- In Iowa Or Nebraska?  
User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

This has been a question that I have been wanting to ask for years. Quite simply, is OMA in Iowa or Nebraska. I know the CITY of Omaha is in Nebraska but I also know that OMA is adjacent to Carter Lake, Iowa. In fact, going to downtown Omaha on Abbott drive you must drive through Carter Lake, Iowa which is labeled as Iowa Highway 165. (As a side note: Iowa Highway 165 is the only Iowa Highway west of the Missouri River). I researched the OMA website and it is listed as a Nebraska address. However, one of my friends in the aviation industry said it is addressed as Nebraska for "technical" purposes. So if it isn't in Iowa, then where the hell does Iowa begin and Nebraska end to the north of the airport. Because you see a welcome to Iowa sign going to the south of the airport on Abbott Drive but you never see any type of signage going to the north of the airport.

Please help solve this mystery....

On a side note: I think the airport should just be called Omaha/Council Bluffs sorta like...

Tampa/St. Petersburg
Minneapolis/St. Paul
Seattle/Tacoma
Orlando/Sanford

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User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

OMA is in Nebraska. In fact, you can go through arter lake IA to get to downtown, or, you can take the north freeway and I-480 and never enter Iowa. It is in Nebraska for sure.


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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

It's Nebraska. OMA fits into a bend in the Missouri River. Carter Lake also fits into a river bend, but a FORMER river bend -- the river shifted (as they tend to do) leaving the main channel east of the town of Carter Lake, sort of stranding it from Iowa. Numerous examples of that on the Mississippi and Missouri rivers.

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-map-191501965-map_of_omaha_ne-i

OMA could be titled Omaha-Council Bluffs airport. But I don't know Omaha culture that well, do they consider themselves a "twin city"? Similarly, you don't see these airport titles: "Denver-Aurora International", "St. Louis-St. Charles",

"Sanford" isn't an equal city to Orlando, BTW, it just happens to be another location for one of Orlando's airports, like London-Luton or New York-La Guardia.

-Rampart


User currently offlineOMA2FAI2SAV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

I forgot to mention, North of the airport, and west of the missouri river is all Nebraska.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 2):
OMA fits into a bend in the Missouri River. Carter Lake also fits into a river bend, but a FORMER river bend -- the river shifted (as they tend to do) leaving the main channel east of the town of Carter Lake, sort of stranding it from Iowa. Numerous examples of that on the Mississippi and Missouri rivers.

Kinda. The river did shift. It was because of a storm that cut the area off. The lake of carter lake, was originaly called cut off lake, and was slated to be fixed. They were going to dredge the silt away from the lake and make it part of the river again. This was never completed.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 2):
OMA could be titled Omaha-Council Bluffs airport. But I don't know Omaha culture that well, do they consider themselves a "twin city"?

As someone that was born and raised in Omaha, I would NEVER consider council bluffs a twin city. I was priviladged and grew up in a very wealthy west omaha subdivision. We considered Council Blufs another country. But that was just us. Reationships between he cities are growing now though, so who knows.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

It's in Nebraska. Also, why would a little city of 50,000 be in on the name of Omaha airport? Cause its close by? Do you want LAX to be Los Angeles/Manhattan Beach Airport?


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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3581 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 4):
It's in Nebraska. Also, why would a little city of 50,000 be in on the name of Omaha airport? Cause its close by? Do you want LAX to be Los Angeles/Manhattan Beach Airport?

I have seen magazines in the hotels in Omaha that say something along the effect of "Things to do in the Omaha/Council Bluffs Metro Area"

So it's not entirely the same thing as LAX and Manhattan Beach Airport.


User currently offlineF9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3562 times:



Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 3):
As someone that was born and raised in Omaha, I would NEVER consider council bluffs a twin city. I was priviladged and grew up in a very wealthy west omaha subdivision. We considered Council Blufs another country. But that was just us. Reationships between he cities are growing now though, so who knows.

OMA is most definately in Nebraska, although it does boarder Iowa. As other posters point out, the shortest route from the airport to downtown is through Crater Lake, Iowa, but it is possible to avoid.

As for the "Twin Cities" part, it depends on which side of the river you are on. If you live on the Nebraska side, you live in Omaha. If you live in Iowa, you live in Council Bluffs. I believe all the road signs along I-80 from Des Moines to I-29 direct you to Council Bluffs. However, you do see heavy advertising for the casinos in Council Bluffs in Omaha.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 2):
"St. Louis-St. Charles",

They already have BLV, which is a good drive away. And for that matter SUS is out in Chesterfield which is farther from downtown than STL. And if Ryanair ever flies there they will go to SPI.

Also, St. Louis and East St. Louis aren't really ever referred to as twin cities. There is St. Louis City, the County, St. Charles, and everything in Illinois is collectively known as "Metro East."



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User currently offlineEvanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

I forgot to add that at ORD when you look at the arrivals and departures screens for American Airlines it does NOT say- Cedar Rapids, it says, Cedar Rapids/Iowa City...

Interesting...


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6089 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
There is St. Louis City, the County,

A lot of people don't get that the city of St. Louis is not in a county. Another odd thing is the way people talk about the country in terms of North, South, and West. If I were in the telling somebody where I lived in St. Louis I would say something like: "I lived in West County". People might say something like " She lives in North County, but drives to South County for work". I have never heard that kind of thing anywhere else.

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 3):
I was priviladged and grew up in a very wealthy west omaha subdivision. We considered Council Blufs another country

When I was growing up in far west St. Louis County we thought of metro east, Illinois to be like that.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
St. Louis and East St. Louis aren't really ever referred to as twin cities.

You could hardly even call East St. Louis a city. It really isn't that big and it is a dump.

[Edited 2009-05-23 10:03:45]


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

I read about this in Wikipedia.org. I found it very interesting to say the least. Wiki isn't always accurate, but I believe this to be very close if not accurate. But here is the explanation from Wiki.

Quote:
The airport is located northeast of downtown Omaha in east Omaha. Although the airport is in Nebraska and on the west side of the Missouri River, through a geographic oddity it is surrounded on the east, west and south by the state of Iowa: the Missouri River formerly formed an oxbow immediately west of the land that became Eppley Airfield. The river cut off the oxbow during an 1877 flood, leaving behind Carter Lake on a portion of its former course; the Supreme Court ruled in 1893 that though the land cut off by the river's changed route now lay west of the Missouri, it remained part of Iowa. This land eventually became the city of Carter Lake, Iowa.



User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
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Quoting Rampart (Reply 2):
I don't know Omaha culture that well, do they consider themselves a "twin city"? Similarly, you don't see these airport titles: "Denver-Aurora International", "St. Louis-St. Charles",

Something quite funny.

I was over on Hotwire.com making an inquiry. In their "vacations" section where you have to specify a departing airport, PHL is now listed as a "Washington DC area" airport. So in addition to Baltimore / Washington International airport (BWI) we apparently now have Philadelphia / Washington International airport (PHL).

Must be all those Philadelphians who drive 100 miles to Baltimore for its cheaper fares.  Silly


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3184 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
A lot of people don't get that the city of St. Louis is not in a county.

?? St Louis is in St. Louis County.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3111 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 12):
?? St Louis is in St. Louis County.

Like how the City of San Francisco and SF County are the same area, as well, correct?



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User currently offlineF9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3111 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 12):
St Louis is in St. Louis County.

No. Saint Louis City is actually a separate entity from Saint Louis County. Ditto Baltimore City and Baltimore County in Maryland. Carson City, Nevada is separate from any county, as is every incorporated city in Virginia.

By comparison, there is the City and County of Denver, the City and County of Broomfield in Colorado, and New York City is actually five counties. New York County,Kings County, Richmond County Queens County and Bronx County are Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens and Bronx respectively.

The City of Boulder is in Boulder County, Colorado, the City of Los Angeles is in Los Angeles County, while Des Moines County is actually 150 miles southeast of Des Moines City (which is in Polk County, Iowa).


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3079 times:



Quoting Evanbu (Reply 8):
I forgot to add that at ORD when you look at the arrivals and departures screens for American Airlines it does NOT say- Cedar Rapids, it says, Cedar Rapids/Iowa City...

Interesting...

What is so interesting or surprising about that. They have a population ratio of 2:1, not to mention the University in Iowa City bringing lots of traffic.

A little different from the 8:1 ratio for Omaha/Council Bluffs... Not to mention your other examples- Sea/Tac, MSP, those cities are not right next to either other like the Omaha case.

Omaha/Council Bluffs airport....gimme a break.



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User currently offlineGrowly150 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

The city and county of Broomfield, Co, are the same the county limits are the same as the city limits, same as Denver.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2980 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 12):
St Louis is in St. Louis County.

No it isn't. As far as I know, St. Louis isn't in a county. St. Louis County consists of most of the suburbs. There is north, west, and south county, plus St. Charles on the other side of the Missouri River. It is not uncommon to hear people refer to things as being "out in the county."

To further complicate things, there are many little suburban cities in the county like Chesterfield, Olivette, Maryland Heights and Berkely, but there are also areas that although they are built up, are not part of a city. My grandparents live in unincorporated St. Louis County and and therefore have an address in St. Louis, despite not actually living in the city of St. Louis.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

The address of the Omaha Airport Authority is:
OMAHA AIRPORT AUTHORITY, 4501 Abbott Drive, Suite 2300/ EPPLEY AIRFIELD, OMAHA, NE 68110-2689

The address of US Customs is:
United States Customs
5229 Boeing Court (Bldg 4310)
Eppley Airfield
Omaha, NE 68110

http://www.eppleyairfield.com/index.html



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

A look at Mapquest quickly gives an idea of the situation at OMA - clearly in Ak-Sar-Ben.

Here's a picture I took from the east-facing parking garage at OMA a few years ago - I note in the comments that the hills in the background are in Iowa:


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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2407 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):
As far as I know, St. Louis isn't in a county.

Absolutely correct, St. Louis is what's known as an independent city. I do a significant amount of work for both the City and County...I can assure you, the folks at each usually have plenty of interesting things to say about the other!

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):
My grandparents live in unincorporated St. Louis County and and therefore have an address in St. Louis, despite not actually living in the city of St. Louis.

Unfortunately, the benefit of a St. Louis address is given to everyone living in St. Louis County, not just unincorporated areas. My company's main office is squarely within the City of Maryland Heights, yet we use a St. Louis, Missouri address. As someone not originally from STL, that has always bothered me.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Ok the question has been asked an answered but I thought I would add my ammusing ancedote [as a side note, I always wondered how services are rendered to Iowa residents on the left side of the Missouri]

Back in September I was doing work outside of Omaha, and I had booked my return flight as something like OMA-IAH-CLE leaving at 10:30.

Due to a incoming hurricane, CO shut down IAH, and both of my original flights were canceled. The one option to get me back home was like a 5:45 AM departure from OMA. I figured that I wanted to allow at least an hour and a half to return the rental car, check luggage and clear security -- add travel time and I'm leaving the hotel at 3:45 AM after waking up just before 3:00.

I am not a morning person. I am definately not a morning person. Even under the best of circumstances I'm not generally fully coherent until 9:30 or 10:00

Half-awake and driving through the pre-dawn darkness that enveloped Nebraska (and the half that was awake was worrying about what would happen if I missed the tight connection in IAH) and blindly following my GPS's advice I momentarially panicked when I passed a "WELCOME TO IOWA" sign on my way from Omaha to the Omaha airport.

It seems to me there was also a "WELCOME TO NEBRASKA" sign closer to the airport... but I made it to the airport, made my connection, and the rest is history.



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User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Go to Google maps and pull up a map of Omaha. You will see that the state line makes a very interesting deviation, but Eppley Field is very clearly in Nebraska.

I see the state line cuts through several streets. It's interesting to think that one person could have an Iowa telephone number and pay taxes to Iowa while a neighbor would have a Nebraska telephone number and pay taxes to Nebraska.


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
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You know how when you order from an out-of-state merchant online, you don't pay sales tax at time of sale? Would this mean that an IA resident could get of certain taxes when booking with an airline that doesn't operate within the state - such as a WN flight ex OMA for example?

Quoting OMA2FAI2SAV (Reply 3):

As someone that was born and raised in Omaha, I would NEVER consider council bluffs a twin city. I was priviladged and grew up in a very wealthy west omaha subdivision. We considered Council Blufs another country. But that was just us. Reationships between he cities are growing now though, so who knows.

I dated a girl from CB once....long story short, there's a reason it's referred to as Counciltucky!



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
They already have BLV, which is a good drive away. And for that matter SUS is out in Chesterfield which is farther from downtown than STL. And if Ryanair ever flies there they will go to SPI.

Also, St. Louis and East St. Louis aren't really ever referred to as twin cities. There is St. Louis City, the County, St. Charles, and everything in Illinois is collectively known as "Metro East."

I know, that was my point. It was a ludicrous pairing of cities that aren't equivalent or "twin" (unlike legitimate "Minneapolis-St. Paul, "Dallas-Fort Worth", "Baltimore-Washington"). Omaha also has a lot of small airports surrounding it's metro area. Most large cities do. And as you point out, many large cities have alternate commercial airports. OMA doesn't.

-Rampart


25 BMI727 : Wouldn't SUX be a viable alternative to OMA if it was really necessary?
26 Dc-9-10 : I have heard somewhere that the reason why there is a WELCOME TO IOWA sign on the way to the airport and not a WELCOME TO NEBRASKA when you re-enter
27 Steex : Only in the same sense that SPI would be an alternate to STL. It's around 90 minutes, plus or minus, from Omaha up to SUX. It could be used, but SUX
28 Rampart : Like Steex says. Not in the way that ONT or LGB are to LAX, or FLL to MIA, or HOU to IAH, or HPN and ISP are to LGA.
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