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Condor Adds New Destinations In The US  
User currently offlineBWE320 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

I just received a Condor newsletter via e-mail and they are announcing new services to the US airports of Juneau, Seattle, Santa Rosa, Portland, Honolulu and Maui. I suppose they will probably need one or two new planes for this services. Where could they come from?
Quite interesting destinations though. Juneau could be interesting for Alaska cruises (same for Seattle). Are they the first foreign airline at Santa Rosa?

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User currently offlineDba4u From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 668 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

These are codeshares on Alaska Airlines metal from LAS and ANC (Hawaii).

Edit: Not even! Just an interlining agreement

[Edited 2009-05-23 08:32:31]

User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

Will that be direct flights too Hawaii? Nearly 6500nm...

Or will it be a 1-stop flight in combination with the new Seattle destination?


User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8946 times:



Quoting Dba4u (Reply 1):
These are codeshares on Alaska Airlines metal from LAS and ANC (Hawaii).

Ah thanks Dba4u ... so no CO metal in HNL?


User currently offlineBWE320 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

Thank you for the info. Quite disappointing though. Why Santa Rosa?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8907 times:



Quoting BWE320 (Reply 4):
Why Santa Rosa?

Wine Country, Sonoma and Nappa.



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User currently offlineDba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 668 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Well, but FRA-ANC-HNL would certainly be something different. Pricing is pretty decent for high season (from around 1300EUR FRA-HNL) as well. Now if they would grant a stopover in ANC...

The next question, however, is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er for 10 hours each way!


User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8799 times:



Quoting Dba4U (Reply 6):
is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er

What detour? I don't think the plotted course could be any more straight than this!


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8273 times:



Quoting CARST (Reply 3):
so no CO metal in HNL?

There is CO metal to HNL, but probably you meant DE.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7926 times:

Which Portland? Portland , Oregon or Portland Maine?

User currently offlineBAKJet From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7675 times:



Quoting LHPDX (Reply 9):
Which Portland? Portland , Oregon or Portland Maine?

The Press Release says west coast ,so I would assume Oregon.

Link to PR
http://www10.condor.com/tcf-us/news....CAA8DC69F3D6A816DCF74FF.as10worker


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

I assure you, they will not being flying into Santa Rosa. It does not even have Immigration facilities.


John@SFO
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6032 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

On the subject of DE routes to YXY and ANC, what's the market segment they cater to? Or rather, I assume it's tourism, but what sort of tourism?

At least the former doesn't exactly ring of the usual bucket and spade holiday market DE otherwise caters to  

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 10):
The Press Release says west coast ,so I would assume Oregon.

Sounds like a bit of a detour, since LH already flies there nonstop from FRA?

[Edited 2009-05-23 16:28:12]

User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Condor.com says HNL is available "30.05.2009 until 12.09.2009". Is that the period AS operates it's seasonal ANC-HNL?

User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Im guessing the Santa Rosa flights might be handled by Horizon Air considering they fly the Dash-8 into the region.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6916 times:



Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 14):
Im guessing the Santa Rosa flights might be handled by Horizon Air considering they fly the Dash-8 into the region.

...and they are the only airline serving STS.


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6756 times:



Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 14):

Not just handled, they ARE Horizon flights. These are just interline agreements with Horizon and Alaska, no DE metal will be flying these flights


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5948 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6355 times:
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I was kind of hoping that the SEA part would actually be under DE's metal.

Does Condor actually get into LAS early enough to make that LAS-STS connection? That is an interesting connection for QX...non-typical.

Perhaps DE should consider flying to PDX or SEA if they want to do additional codeshares or interlines to other AS/QX destinations. Although, I think they would have stiff competition from LH at both.


User currently offlineTHEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Are they planning to get new aircraft anytime soon. If Im not wrong their 767s must be pretty old.

User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6201 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
Does Condor actually get into LAS early enough to make that LAS-STS connection? That is an interesting connection for QX...non-typical.

A codeshare to STS and JNU by a European carrier is strange to me no matter how strange it is for QX. STS I kinda get but it's still a stretch. JNU I really don't get. It's not at the beginning or end of any cruise, and there really isn't a ton of tourismy stuff there.

Quoting Borism (Reply 13):
Condor.com says HNL is available "30.05.2009 until 12.09.2009". Is that the period AS operates it's seasonal ANC-HNL?

No ANC-HNL is year round. It was OGG that was seasonal...but that now is going to be year round. Also don't know why they wouldn't codeshare to OGG as well. Maybe times don't line up.

I believe these dates coincide with Condors seasonal service to ANC. They only offer flights in the summer and those dates seem about right for when they start and stop service each year.

Quoting Dba4U (Reply 6):

The next question, however, is if this detour is really worth beeing stuck on one of Condors '67er for 10 hours each way!



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 7):

What detour? I don't think the plotted course could be any more straight than this!

ANC is very conveniently located in comparison to a lot of places. That's why so many airplanes stop in from Asia and back. So connecting in ANC probably is better for the traveler than what it may seem from looking at a flat map.

FRA-LAX-HNL 7246 nautical miles
FRA-ANC-HNL 6462 nautical miles

[Edited 2009-05-23 22:58:06]

User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6069 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 19):
JNU I really don't get. It's not at the beginning or end of any cruise, and there really isn't a ton of tourismy stuff there.

Are you kidding? It's outdoor recreation central for SE Alaska. National parks and forests (literally adjacent to or across the bay from the city). Glacier tours. Skiing, fishing, kayaking, camping, local cruises. Whale and birdwatching. Outdoor and environmental destinations are keen for a lot of Germans. Go to Death Valley or Southern Utah in August, and count how many German visitors make up the population. I wouldn't be surprised if St. George or Moab eventually showed up as a DE codeshare  Smile .

-Rampart


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5948 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
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Quoting Rampart (Reply 20):
I wouldn't be surprised if St. George or Moab eventually showed up as a DE codeshare

I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there. But I guess DE would have to serve LAX first.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6026 times:



Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 19):
ANC is very conveniently located in comparison to a lot of places. That's why so many airplanes stop in from Asia and back.

This is true. Somewhere I read that 90% of the world's population is within 9 hours flying time of ANC or something like that.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there.

Those would be pretty logical destinations for a charter airilne to offer.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6026 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I'm waiting for PRC and FLG to show up since QX flies there.

Definitely! I could honestly see FLG show up if Santa Rosa can. Great central location to a lot of stuff. Have to rent a car, though. Or not: My German housemate in college often had buddies visit from Germany. Rather than rent a car, they'd buy an old Buick or Chrysler land-yacht for $800 from some retiree in Scottsdale, tool around the desert for a month, making small repairs as necessary, till the car utterly died, sell the remains to a junkyard, fly back home, come back the following summer and do the same thing.

Anyone know, does or did Condor fly to PHX? Didn't LTU serve PHX, regularly, at one time?

-Rampart


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5408 times:



Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 18):
Are they planning to get new aircraft anytime soon. If Im not wrong their 767s must be pretty old.

DE is just refitting their 767 fleet with winglets and a cabin upgrade, so I suppose the aircraft will stay for quite a while longer. There haven't been any rumors covering a fleet rollover in the German aviation scene anyway.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
25 Hatbutton : I'm well aware of what's in JNU, but honestly, not much of that is any different than almost anywhere else in and around ANC. Skiing, fishing, campin
26 BA744PHX : LTU use to fly DUS-PHX started in 1997 and lasted for 2-3 years service was twice weekly
27 Viscount724 : Germany has always been a big market for adventure-type tourism to remote parts of the world where they can see things that don't exist in Europe --
28 Rampart : Well, maybe Juneau just wants a piece of the Alaska tourism pie. They try to market themselves as a destination. Juneau is different enough from Anch
29 Wedgetail737 : Wow! Such passion in the great debate between ANC and JNU. Maybe I'll just visit KTN and SIT for neutral ground. LOL!
30 Hatbutton : Haha I don't have anything against Juneau. It just seemed odd to me because nobody ever has really gone after a code share to JNU like this. If they
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