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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

I had a lot of fun with another thread like this so here is mine:

American Airlines is known for having a polished aluminum livery, but until fairly recently one of their domestic competitors also had a similar look.

Both airlines also shared the smallest (I think) mainline type for several years.

They also had a smaller jet type that both acquired in mergers and neither airline operated for very long.

At least two regional carriers operated this same type (or a derivative) as feeders for other American carriers.

At one of them they were the stablemate of a European truboprop that is still in service today.

That type's indirect predecessor at the airline in question was also a European turboprop.

Give the airline and aircraft. Have fun and feel free to give intermediate answers once we have the final answer.


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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Airline: USAir
Aircraft: Saab 340



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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Which aircraft do you want?

From what I got it's Air Wisconsin and the Dornier 328


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6626 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
Both airlines also shared the smallest (I think) mainline type for several years.

American and US Airways, and the "smallest mainline type" you refer to is probably the BAC 1-11 (assuming you are limiting your question to jets).


User currently offlineSparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6620 times:
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American
US Airways
BAE146
Sparky


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6515 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
American and US Airways, and the "smallest mainline type" you refer to is probably the BAC 1-11 (assuming you are limiting your question to jets).

No, that isn't the plane I was thinking of. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but the plane I was referring to was operated by both at the same time. AA retired the 1-11 in 1972 I believe.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
American and US Airways,

That part is right though.

Quoting IndyWA (Reply 2):
From what I got it's Air Wisconsin and the Dornier 328

That would fulfill part of it, but which of its predecessors was a European turboprop? I am not saying you are wrong, but I can't think of one and that wasn't what I was thinking of.



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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
That would fulfill part of it, but which of its predecessors was a European turboprop? I am not saying you are wrong, but I can't think of one and that wasn't what I was thinking of.

I believe Air Wisconsin flew the BAe ATP before those planes were spun off into United Feeder Services. That would be in indirect European predecessor.

So that would mean:

USAir
Fokker 100
BAe 146
Air Wisconsin and Mesaba (Avro RJ-85 for them)
Air Wisconsin Dornier 328
BAe ATP

[Edited 2009-05-23 19:29:04]

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6368 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
No, that isn't the plane I was thinking of. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but the plane I was referring to was operated by both at the same time.

Fokker 100?

For the second one, I wanted to say the ATR-72 and ASA/American Eagle, but I'm not entirely sure.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6043 times:
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Are you thinking of the F-27/FH-227? it's the predecessor to the F-28 which was the predecessor to the F-100


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6023 times:
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American and UsAir and the BAE 146

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5940 times:



Quoting IndyWA (Reply 6):
I believe Air Wisconsin flew the BAe ATP before those planes were spun off into United Feeder Services. That would be in indirect European predecessor.

I'm not sure if Air Wisky operated the ATP, but that would be correct except that the Dornier is no longer in service.

You guys are getting very close though.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 8):
it's the predecessor to the F-28 which was the predecessor to the F-100

Predecessor at the airline, not the manufacturer.



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5129 times:

American Airlines is known for having a polished aluminum livery, but until fairly recently one of their domestic competitors also had a similar look. USAir

Both airlines also shared the smallest (I think) mainline type for several years. Fokker F100

They also had a smaller jet type that both acquired in mergers and neither airline operated for very long. BAe-146, AA/AirCal, USAirways/PSA

At least two regional carriers operated this same type (or a derivative) as feeders for other American carriers. ARJ NW Airlink/Mesaba, BAe-146 United Express/Air Wisoncin

At one of them they were the stablemate of a European truboprop that is still in service today. Saab 340, NW Airlink/Mesaba

That type's indirect predecessor at the airline in question was also a European turboprop. F27, NW Airlink/Mesaba


Give the airline and aircraft. Have fun and feel free to give intermediate answers once we have the final answer.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5023 times:



Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 11):
F27, NW Airlink/Mesaba

And we have a winner.  goldmedal 
This happens to be the first type I ever flew on, and I haven't been back on a turboprop since.

I suppose now that we have this if anyone else has any riddles post 'em here. Obscure aviation knowledge is fun.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4583 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
I'm not sure if Air Wisky operated the ATP


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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3975 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
the Dornier is no longer in service.

It's still in service....just type Dornier 328 into the photo database and you'll see a few pictures from a few days ago, and it's in Europe


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3617 times:



Quoting IndyWA (Reply 14):
It's still in service

But not with ZW. Mesaba still has the Saabs with no end in sight.



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User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3428 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
But not with ZW. Mesaba still has the Saabs with no end in sight.

Ahh..the way I had interpreted it was as "in service" in general, not with that specific airline. My bad.


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