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Fiji Govt OK's HNL-NAN-GUM  
User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Tourism Fiji Chairman Says Additional Sky Traffic From Continental Micronesia Will Generate Significant Benefit To Island's Tourism Industry

Guam - It's official. Fiji's Department of Civil Aviation has licensed Continental Micronesia to fly a Boeing 737-800 to Fiji twice weekly from Guam and Honolulu.

According to Fiji Times Online, the new leg will ensure additional connectivity from mainland USA via Honolulu and various other points which Continental Micronesia services through its Guam hub.

Aside from saying that the new arrangement would generate significant benefit to Fiji's tourism industry, Tourism Fiji chairman Patrick Wong tells the Times:

"Continental Micronesia's service will not only provide connectivity from eight Japanese cities for Japanese outbound travel, but also provide connectivity from major American economic centers like New York, Houston and Los Angeles to Fiji via connection at Honolulu."

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24846 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

About time

The US government was on the verge of threatening Fiji and possibly going after some Air Pacific rights due to their seemingly reluctance to accede to CO's application including even questioning legal status of Guam vis-a-vis the United States and applicability of US-Fiji traffic rights.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

That's great news. I wonder when the skeds will come out. I think we'll see something like a 8pm GUM-NAN, 0600 NAN-HNL, turning to a late afternoon HNL-NAN, midnight NAN-GUM. Since the aircraft appears to be turning around at HNL, the connects could be on the long side in both directions at HNL.
What might work better is if LAX-HNL went to a 738, where it could go thru to NAN about the same time flight 1 leaves to GUM and the HNL arrival coming in about 5 pm going through to LAX. Of course that would rotate a currently non-Micronesia 738 HNL-LAX-HNL.
Could the 739ER be heading to Micronesia? It's scheduled for LAX-HNL for at least a couple months this summer. Question is whether the 739ER would work well in Micronesia as it has the same engines as the 738, requiring more runway when carrying a heavier MGTOW.

[Edited 2009-05-23 22:57:13]

User currently offlineDxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

The 730ER could operate most routes in the CMI System easily. There could be problems with the Island Hopper, as the runway at TKK is 6000 feet long and the runway at KSA is 5750 feet long. Another CMI airport with a short runway is YAP, also 6000 feet long.

These flights are could be a nightmare for Crew Scheduling. Still air flight time is about 6 hours from GUM-NAN and NAN-HNL, which would theoretically allow a 3 man crew to do it, but I don't think the FAA would buy off on 6 hr block when Air Pacific is using 6:45 for HNL-NAN. Twice weekly flights will mean 80 hour layovers in NAN, which is not very productive or positioning crews on Air Pacific which operates HNL-NAN on Fridays and Sundays. Alternatively, I suppose they could use 2 IROs, for over 12 hours flight time and a 5th Flight Attendant (provision for CMI FA duty day over 12 hours) and just operate all the way through.


User currently offlineDxBrian From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Sorry - that message above should say 739 ER.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2358 times:
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it seems bizarre that the Fijian 'government' took so long to approve this, they should have welcomed this service with open arms , bearing in mind that Fiji's tourism industry is struggling and that this service offers a double boost to the inbound market ( the GUM-NAN leg can bring in tourists from a number of Japanese points - something that has been missing for the Fiji market since FJ pulled their NRT services and the NAN-HNL can bring in pax from the CO mainline nextwork in the US ) . On the other hand , given the ongoing instability in Fiji it is possible that the ever-cautious Japanese will continue to give Fiji a miss .


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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Does anyone have any thoughts on how well or otherwise this service will do ?


on the plus side

CO has , through its 40 plus years of Air Mike/Continental Micronesia , substantial experience in 'island-hopping' routes and presumably knows a thing or two about the viability of such services .

CO ( Mike ) has a track record in the Japanese market .

CO mainline has flights into HNL from their two principal hubs EWR and IAH , as well as fom LAX , so feeding 2 narrowbodies per week for the HNL-NAN sector wouldnt seem too much of a challenge .

Once CO become *A members I guess that they will get additional feed into the GUM hub from both OZ and NH ( any other *A members operating into GUM ? )

2 narrowbodies per week on both sectors does not represent a huge investment for an airline the size of CO

on the negative side

uncertain time to be starting a new route

I doubt if there is a lot of O&D between GUM-NAN so it will probably have to rely on funneling traffic through the GUM hub - although CO has a lot of experience with relatively long narrowbody ops I wonder how pax will respond to say a 3-4 hour narrowbody flight from Japan to GUM followed by a 6(ish?) hour narrowbody flight to NAN .

the 'situation' ( can I say that ?) in Fiji is currently very unstable and there are a lot of competing destinations in the Pacific which can offer sun , sand and sea but no 'situations'.

[Edited 2009-05-25 04:43:51]


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

can't wait for the service to start...........certainly will be on one of the first few flights!!!!


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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

NH and OZ have pulled out of Guam, but NH may feed Via Japan and CO flights to HND are rumored

User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1837 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
Does anyone have any thoughts on how well or otherwise this service will do ?

On a previous thread someone mentioned the fact that substantial numbers of US forces and families were repositioning to Guam from Japan, so would be looking at mainly selling to this market.

I checked the CO timetable and the GUM-CNS-GUM flights are now 4 weekly. I think it was only twice weekly not so long ago.

Anyway, an interesting move by CO. Have they got any other plans for this part of the world?

PA515


User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1778 times:



Quoting PA515 (Reply 9):
On a previous thread someone mentioned the fact that substantial numbers of US forces and families were repositioning to Guam from Japan, so would be looking at mainly selling to this market.

That was the pitch to increase GUM-CNS flights. GUM-NAN is aimed more at picking up the traffic on NRT-NAN since Air Pacific dropped the route.

Quoting Cospn (Reply 8):
but NH may feed Via Japan and CO flights to HND are rumored

DL/NW are stepping up service next month by adding a daily 767 and 332 service on NRT-GUM. That's on top of what they already have, existing 757 service to NRT, NGO and KIX. CS is still operating 2 767s and one 738 daily.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
I doubt if there is a lot of O&D between GUM-NAN so it will probably have to rely on funneling traffic through the GUM hub - although CO has a lot of experience with relatively long narrowbody ops I wonder how pax will respond to say a 3-4 hour narrowbody flight from Japan to GUM followed by a 6(ish?) hour narrowbody flight to NAN .

Passengers transited through GUM to make connections to CNS, DPS and NOU before. Even those coming from HNL had to endure additional time in the air to other places like HKG, ICN and TPE. It's tough but the only other alternatives would be flying nonstop to HNL or SYD to make it there and that's more backtracking than flying from here.



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