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AC Sends 77W To SCL And EZE For This Winter  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Hello all

Sorry if this has been discussed before but couldn't find it in the search forum. I've notice this coming December 1st Air Canada will be deploying B777-300ER for SCL and continue onto EZE for short period of time. Seems there's a lot of demand for Chile since the flight is getting full along with Argentina. I was doing the flight search on AC website from December 1st to see if AC will offer two seperate flights again like they did last Winter or whatever. I'm thinking of going to Argentina again this coming winter. If I do I look forward to flying the new a/c.

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6972 times:
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A great use of the 777 fleet at Air Canada on the opposite season. Its high season to latin America in teh north american winter.

User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6542 times:

Wow that is interesting. I wonder if they will also reusme GRU to the 77W? that would mean several 77W airframes from YYZ to deep South America.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
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Quoting Cayman (Reply 2):
Wow that is interesting. I wonder if they will also reusme GRU to the 77W? that would mean several 77W airframes from YYZ to deep South America.

No, it's not expected the upgrade on IATA summer. They only upgrade during IATA winter !



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6331 times:



Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
I was doing the flight search on AC website from December 1st to see if AC will offer two seperate flights again like they did last Winter or whatever. I'm thinking of going to Argentina again this coming winter. If I do I look forward to flying the new a/c.

I still think that this is bad news for EZE which benefited more with the dedicated nonstop service. The flight when routed via SCL becomes very long especially if you are connecting pax from other destinations than YYZ. Also note that all pax must disembark in SCL during the aircraft stop-over.

Quoting Cayman (Reply 2):
Wow that is interesting. I wonder if they will also reusme GRU to the 77W? that would mean several 77W airframes from YYZ to deep South America.

AC YYZ-GRU daily nonstop B77W is confirmed for the IATA Winter, as explained by Lipe. AC already used the B77W in the 2008/2009 IATA Winter. In the meanwhile, AC continues to operate YYZ-GRU daily dedicated B767 in the IATA Summer.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Sorry if this has been discussed before

This has been discussed, but I do not mind going back to it again...

Rgs,


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6166 times:

I have flown this route in the Northern summer and the Northern winter, therefore seeing the difference between the flight combined (as YYZ-SCL-EZE) and as a single (YYZ-SCL, YYZ-EZE). In both cases, the flights were booked solid, even oversold, indicating that in the past, the strategy worked well for AC (use one daily direct flight to serve both cities in the northern summer and break them up into five weekly, separate flights in the northern winter). However, I flew the YYZ-SCL-EZE flight in July, and I could see that a sizable chunk of the passengers were EZE-bound. On the return flight in the winter, it was still booked full, and by this time the routing had changed, so I was only among SCL-originating passengers. Granted, it would be nice to see what the differences in PAX carried were for both seasons.

In any case, I am assuming (correct me if I am wrong) that the 77W service will be operated daily, year round, with the YYZ-SCL-EZE routing. Any thoughts on what AC might expect?



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

Don't forget cargo folks....those 77W cargo holds will be full coming out of SCL....


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5920 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 6):
those 77W cargo holds will be full coming out of SCL....

 checkmark I'd be curious to know whether cargo is the driver behind this schedule. Certainly, EZE is a larger passenger market than SCL, and that might lead us to predict that AC would schedule the flights in a way that favored EZE.

OTOH, this schedule provides an extremely competitive schedule from most of Canada and the US to SCL, and there's a good bit more competition to EZE, especially on *A carriers (and CO).



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5899 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
I'd be curious to know whether cargo is the driver behind this schedule. Certainly, EZE is a larger passenger market than SCL, and that might lead us to predict that AC would schedule the flights in a way that favored EZE.

As I mentioned above, the flight does not favour EZE because it implies a stop-over in SCL where EZE bound pax must disembark. The SCL stop-over makes the flight to EZE too long.

EZE deserves nonstop and dedicated flight. I am sceptical the flight will work.

Rgs,


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5890 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
EZE deserves nonstop and dedicated flight. I am sceptical the flight will work.

But what other routings are faster than AC via SCL? Most passengers would rather avoid connecting at congested gateways like MIA and JFK, and the latter requires a change of airports which is even less convenient.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5882 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
But what other routings are faster than AC via SCL?

Going via ATL is going to be faster for a lot of passengers, as are MIA and IAD for those cities connected to them.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
But what other routings are faster than AC via SCL? Most passengers would rather avoid connecting at congested gateways like MIA and JFK, and the latter requires a change of airports which is even less convenient.

You are disregarding non-YYZ passengers, a lot of AC pax to SCL/EZE are connecting pax from elsewhere such as Canada (other than YYZ), US, Asia.

Although the YYZ-SCL-EZE flight still makes AC competitive between YYZ and EZE there is no doubt that this is less so if the origin of the pax is elsewhere. AA (via DFW), CO (via IAH), UA (via IAD), DL (via ATL), MX (via MEX), etc are all better and faster options. Even for YYZ-EZE (because of the SCL stop) other airlines such as AA or UA become faster.

I am very sceptical of this flight schedule which comes in detriment to EZE operations. I think EZE should remain nonstop, dedicated instead. AC will not be competitive in EZE market and I expect the leg SCL-EZE-SCL will operate with light loads and low yields.

Rgs,

[Edited 2009-05-26 14:05:50]

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

AC reported in their Q1 earnings reports that the increased capacity to GRU, as well as the dedicated flights to SCL/EZE did not result in the expected increase in traffic they were hoping for. So the 77W on the SCL/EZE is probably a fine tuning in capacity for next winter.

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5826 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
But what other routings are faster than AC via SCL? Most passengers would rather avoid connecting at congested gateways like MIA and JFK, and the latter requires a change of airports which is even less convenient.

You are disregarding non-YYZ passengers, a lot of AC pax to SCL/EZE are connecting pax from elsewhere such as Canada (other than YYZ), US, Asia.

And many of those passengers would require a visa to transit the USA. A direct flight, even with a stop in SCL, is still more convenient than the hassles (and approximate $100 cost) of obtaining a US transit visa. Why would AC do this if they if they didn't think it would maximize revenue on this route?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5817 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Why would AC do this if they if they didn't think it would maximize revenue on this route?

I don't think anyone is arguing that AC isn't maximizing revenue. It's interesting, though, to think about why this particular routing maximizes revenue.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And many of those passengers would require a visa to transit the USA.

Neither Canadians nor Japanese-- likely two of the three largest non-US users of the service-- need a visa, nor do most Europeans.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5810 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And many of those passengers would require a visa to transit the USA.

Neither Canadians nor Japanese-- likely two of the three largest non-US users of the service-- need a visa, nor do most Europeans.

I was referring mainly to passengers from South America. I think most South American passport holders still require U.S. transit visas.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22734 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5795 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I think most South American passport holders still require U.S. transit visas.

They do, though a lot of South American businesspeople probably have multi-entry US visas, meaning they wouldn't have to do anything further to transit in the US.



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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5738 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
I still think that this is bad news for EZE which benefited more with the dedicated nonstop service. The flight when routed via SCL becomes very long especially if you are connecting pax from other destinations than YYZ. Also note that all pax must disembark in SCL during the aircraft stop-over.

Why not originating the flight at SCL. Canadian used to fly YYZ-EZE-SCL if I am not mistaken on a DC10.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5713 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I was referring mainly to passengers from South America. I think most South American passport holders still require U.S. transit visas.

The majority of South Americans who travel - and certainly the ones that generate the most revenue - have multi-entry visas to the United States, some of which are valid for as long as ten years.

This is why U.S. airlines continue to carry a significant amount of transit traffic between South America and other international regions, and will continue to do so.

Airlines aren't losing out as much when they are not transporting a Japanesse immigrant in Peru for his every-seven-years trip to Tokyo, for which the U.S. visa does become a problem. However, it was exactly this type of passenger that airlines like Varig via LAX and Iberia via MIA relied on, which it what closed down those operations.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5696 times:
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Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 12):
AC reported in their Q1 earnings reports that the increased capacity to GRU, as well as the dedicated flights to SCL/EZE did not result in the expected increase in traffic they were hoping for. So the 77W on the SCL/EZE is probably a fine tuning in capacity for next winter

Probably because GRU is very well served thru several gateways in the United States. Besides YYZ, many main Canadian markets are better covered thru US gateways. And, also, AC is not able to attract US traffic.
The best AC can do is to guarantee as much non-stop services as they can. In my view, dedicate non-stop services to more markets in South America (using small planes) works better than using large planes.
They should use the 77W to Europe and Asia, where they can attract US connections.



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5677 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The majority of South Americans who travel - and certainly the ones that generate the most revenue - have multi-entry visas to the United States, some of which are valid for as long as ten years.

This is why U.S. airlines continue to carry a significant amount of transit traffic between South America and other international regions, and will continue to do so.

That is a bit of a generalization. In the case of Venezuela for example getting and renewing visas has become much, much more problematic. Call today for an appointment they will book you for late November. Many many people who formerly had up to 10 year visas are being granted 1, 2 3 year maximum terms. I agree with you that many of the typical passengers might have had visas but as that process gets harder, not easier, that will diminish US transit as an attractive alternative.

Even foreign natiionals legally resident in Canada have to apply in Canada for a visa and wait times can be months.

However, I agree that anyone going to or from EZE is a lot less likely to want to take this flight as a 1 stop via SCL unless there is a much better price or they don't have a US visa.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24905 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5656 times:



Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 17):
Why not originating the flight at SCL. Canadian used to fly YYZ-EZE-SCL

Nonstop service YYZ-SCL gives AC a competitive advantage over LA's one-stop YYZ-JFK-SCL which takes about 5 hours longer. AC would lose that advantage with a stop in EZE.

They are probably less concerned with the SCL stop to/from EZE since there is no nonstop Canada-EZE service.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5545 times:



Quoting ChrisA330 (Reply 12):
AC reported in their Q1 earnings reports that the increased capacity to GRU, as well as the dedicated flights to SCL/EZE did not result in the expected increase in traffic they were hoping for.

As mentioned above, GRU is already well served. On the other hand, the B77W service this IATA Winter will probably have better results because of TAM's joining Star Alliance (which means GRU becomes a Star hub) and AC and TAM are also codesharing the flight which means more traffic and demand.

On the other hand, AC should have considered keeping the B767 daily in GRU and instead of increasing capacity with the B77W a possible new flight service YYZ-GIG could have been launched. Rio has significant business with Canada, has strong tourism demand, and GIG is TAM's second most important international hub.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
The best AC can do is to guarantee as much non-stop services as they can. In my view, dedicate non-stop services to more markets in South America (using small planes) works better than using large planes.

I agree that AC instead of using the B77W SCL-EZE should rather try to serve both markets with B767 dedicated nonstop, even if service is not daily. EZE deserves nonstop service and the one-stop flight will certainly undermine AC presence in this market.

I also expect the short legs SCL-EZE-SCL to operate with very light load, and the SCL stop-over will certainly drive down yileds to EZE.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
And many of those passengers would require a visa to transit the USA. A direct flight, even with a stop in SCL, is still more convenient than the hassles (and approximate $100 cost) of obtaining a US transit visa. Why would AC do this if they if they didn't think it would maximize revenue on this route?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The majority of South Americans who travel - and certainly the ones that generate the most revenue - have multi-entry visas to the United States, some of which are valid for as long as ten years

As mentioned above, the bulk of South American travellers already have a multi-entry visa to the US with validity of 5 ot 10 years.

Quoting CayMan (Reply 20):
However, I agree that anyone going to or from EZE is a lot less likely to want to take this flight as a 1 stop via SCL unless there is a much better price or they don't have a US visa.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
AC would lose that advantage with a stop in EZE.

There is no doubt that the SCL stop-over will undermine AC presence in EZE. I cannot see this flight working.

Rgs,


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5452 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 8):
As I mentioned above, the flight does not favour EZE because it implies a stop-over in SCL where EZE bound pax must disembark. The SCL stop-over makes the flight to EZE too long.

EZE deserves nonstop and dedicated flight. I am sceptical the flight will work.

Rgs,

1- If AC's is going back to a tag instead of dedicated flight then obviously they saw something you don't.

Remembering that airlines act on profit motive.....

2- There are bilateral restrictions between Canada and GIG, hence why no YYZ-GIG.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2228 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

GRU is a 777 also because of cargo lift. Saying moving it back to a 763 means leaving cargo behind as compared to a 777. Cargo in the belly makes a very hefty addition to the bottom line.

25 Hardiwv : This is correct, the Brazil-Canada bilateral only allows for 7 weekly frequencies and AC uses them all to GRU. This also explains the B77W in GRU rat
26 Cubsrule : The SCL-EZE tags have really fallen out of favor lately. 4 years ago (southern summer 2005), you had a daily LH 346 and a daily AF 772 on EZE-SCL-EZE
27 Hardiwv : Nowadays Brazil's GOL flies EZE-SCL for as low as USD50... There is no question about it. I still think that AC would be better flying EZE nonstop bu
28 Flyyul : AC would fly EZE non-stop if it felt that it could support it. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt
29 Cubsrule : The advantage of the "flexible triangle" routing is that a passenger who gets a n/s one way is much more likely to put up with a stop the other direc
30 IrishAyes : This is an incorrect assumption. AC services to South America draws plenty of U.S. originating PAX from the Northeast and midwest regions. If you are
31 Hardiwv : They will also be able to carry Brazil-originating pax from GRU to anywhere in Canada. TAM-AC codeshare covers a list of destinations in Brazil and C
32 Cubsrule : For someone anywhere in the States (even LAX) who wants to stay on *A metal, AC is the best option to SCL and will be even after JJ joins Star.
33 IrishAyes : You are implying that AC has no idea what it is doing. Instead, the reason why they keep alternating between dedicated flights and one-stop connectio
34 Hardiwv : The same cannot be said about EZE hence the disappointment with the return of AC 1-stop service to EZE. Rgs,
35 Viscount724 : Without daily (or almost daily) service, you lose most of your business traffic as they need the flexibility of frequent service. That doesn't work s
36 SurfandSnow : I can't say I'm all that surprised not to see the n/s YYZ-EZE flight return. After all, neither UA nor AA could make ORD-EZE work, and Delta hasn't do
37 Cubsrule : When they ran that schedule in the past, both of the longhaul flights were overnight. OTOH, that's been true since about 2002, and AC has tried a num
38 Viscount724 : How would they do that? I thought the poster that suggested a triangular routing meant that on a routing like YYZ-EZE-SCL-YYZ the same aircraft would
39 Cubsrule : Something like this... Leave YYZ 0050 Arrive SCL 1120 +1 Leave SCL 1300 Arrive EZE 1600 Leave EZE 1800 Arrive YYZ 0510 +2 Canadian domestic flights b
40 LipeGIG : Are you sure ? Why this cargo is only available 3 months per year ?? The reason they use the 77W to São Paulo is just and only because they can sell
41 Hardiwv : Lipe, the extra cargo is well taken by the market when the B77W provides extra space. Of course, in low-season the extra seats of the B77W cannot be
42 LipeGIG : Such short term agreements are not so good as long term ones for sure. Where is the demand during 9 months per year to justify a 77W year round ? Yes
43 Hardiwv : I agree, but the problem is with our bilateral, and the gainers are TAM and US carriers. The same regarding the Netherlands where KLM cannot open GIG
44 Viscount724 : AC uses the 77W on certain transatlantic routes year-round (e.g. YYZ-FRA), although passenger demand is much higher in July than January, but that's
45 LipeGIG : Again AC have the same situation of some airlines, protected market means they will not do anything. As i mentioned, the upgrade for just 3 months is
46 Hardiwv : We can also expect AC performance in GRU to improve with the TAM-AC tie up and codeshare on the route. AC will have access to domestic connections in
47 LipeGIG : Hardi, in order to AC improve its performance, they would need to fly to other markets. AC can compete on Toronto-Sao Paulo. Other markets from Canad
48 CayMan : I disagree with that. AC operates basically hourly service YUL-YYZ and therefore the best possible connection could only be YYZ. Add to the fact of w
49 Cubsrule : Given that the Canadian passengers only have to clear US formalities in the US northbound, I'm not sure that changing planes in the US is really that
50 LipeGIG : As mentioned by Cubsrule, there's no problem connecting in US for a Canadian. I keep my opinion: AC is very competitive on non-stop O&D service, for
51 Hardiwv : I agree with CayMan. Other important factors which make AC competitive is the fact that it 1) AC has its strong FF pax base in Canada; 2) AC holds st
52 CayMan : That is not true. If a passenger were to fly YUL-MIA-GRU on AA, they would still have to pre-clear US Immigration and Customs in YUL. I don't believe
53 Pnwtraveler : Cayman is totally correct. You obviously haven't had to stand in line waiting for US Customs on a busy day frequently. As someone who traveled at lea
54 Hardiwv : Dont tell me about it...what a coincidence, I was just one the phone with a friend who arrived in LHR in transit via ATL from GUA and he said this wa
55 Danimarroquin : talking about AC in south america , any body knows how is AC doing in BOG ? still flying the 767 ? or upgrading to 777 ? how would the 777 performance
56 Cubsrule : It can be bad-- but if it's a choice between a 16 hour itinerary via, say, ATL or a 20 hour itinerary via YYZ, I'm not sure that a 30 minute or an ho
57 Viscount724 : It actually is true. You overlooked that Cubsrule said "clear US formalities in the US. I'm sure that reference was to highlight that they clear such
58 LipeGIG : Ok, i agree with you, the return is not so comfortable, but don't think that a connection in Brazil is something light, it's not and may be it's so b
59 MAH4546 : Why on earth would they put a 77W on YYZ-BOG? It's a VFR route. Their older 767s are good for the route.
60 YULWinterSkies : What other non-stop options are there between EZE and YYZ? None. It simply does not matter if the flight stops. Pax disembark, still they remain on t
61 Hardiwv : AC does not arrive or depart during busy hours in GRU, which means connections are very smooth. I flew AC to GRU and had to connect in CGH and found
62 Connies4ever : Agree the 77W would be way overkill for YYZ-BOG. By 'older' 767s if you mean the 767-200, they're all parked in the desert -- those that are left (I
63 LipeGIG : Arival, yes could be smooth, but not changing airports and/or the departure, in the middle of the busy late night hours where lines can be as long as
64 Cubsrule : This point may actually be relevant to the discussion about connecting in the United States that we had above. If the goal is to arrive in Brazil as
65 LipeGIG : Hardi just tried to show that isn't that bad to connect thru GRU, but in my view, produces in the way back the same problems we may find out in the U
66 MD11junkie : That's if they aren't late. Today one of the Miami flights was scheduled to arrive at 0905, recently did at 1620. AA955 has been rescheduled to land
67 Cubsrule : Of course, but is AA on time appreciably less than other North American airlines? Or, perhaps putting it more relevantly here, the on-time performanc
68 Hardiwv : This was expected. Departing almost anywhere in peak hours is not comfortable. But there is no doubt that arrival is the key point, especially such a
69 LipeGIG : It's a matter of choice from each passenger. Given the fact that i already spent 6 hours waiting for an "immediate" connection, i try to avoid GRU as
70 Hardiwv : Agree. But sometimes there is no choice given AC corporate contracts. The same happened with me in GIG and other airports. Rgs,
71 LipeGIG : I never have such long wait in other airports, only at Guarulhos. Never got in trouble or huge delays in other places. I believe what makes more peop
72 Hardiwv : I had such problems in GRU, GIG and BSB during the air chaos in Brazil, with waiting times of over 7h in GRU, 6h in GIG and in the case of BSB I even
73 Cubsrule : It's certainly not true that everyone prefers the earlier schedule (or AC would have no passengers!), but some undoubtedly do.
74 Hardiwv : This is what I said. And also AC has quite good performance in GRU otherwise it would not have confirmed the B77W (again) for the IATA Winter in GRU.
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