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Skywritings Over Jamaica....Jamaican Thread #14  
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12100 times:
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Welcome to the 14 installation of our fast paced thread...

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In our last thread, Mr Wehby stated the company has seen operational improvements and is still on path to break-even in July...There has been rumours speculating, one of the offers came from a consortium that consists of Michael Lee Chin and the interests in Iberostar Hotel..



In other news:

A special welcome to B6..The newest addition to our tarmac...

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Tinson Pen Airport will be relocated to Caymanas Estate..

Introduction of Seaplane services with the next six months...

JM to implement baggage policies on flights to GND..

JApex ended on a high note with several airlift agreements being organised..

BA to resume nonstop LGW-MBJ-LGW services in Oct..

B6 to start JFK-KIN services in Oct..



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Play Safe..


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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12091 times:

Much thanks Hummingbird for this the 12th in the series. It is an accepted fact that once the end of June arrives or before we will have a different owner structure to deal with.


BTW the New York Post is running a promotion in conjunction with Jetblue. The grand prize is really amazing as New Yorkers or just about any one can win an expense paid (fully inclusive) .

...."One Grand Prize Winner will receive an all-inclusive Getaway in Jamaica for themselves and nine friends which includes:

Roundtrip airfare courtesy of JetBlue®
Hotel accommodations courtesy of RIU Hotels

http://www.nypost.com/contests/VGS2009.htm

So, this is a major incentive. Too bad I don't live in the states as I would enter.

[Edited 2009-05-24 21:15:00]

User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12075 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
Welcome to the 14 installation of our fast paced thread...

14 Threads strong and still counting. Cool photos of 07 at MBJ and those of KIN as well. A historical note regarding MBJ.... the terminal building was actually on the opposite side of where it is currently located which means that it was closer to the ocean back then.


Seaga points to hotel trouble

'' NEGRIL, Westmoreland - Former prime minister Edward Seaga says small hotels are faced with extinction if swift action is not taken by the authorities to secure their market in the face of overpowering competition from Spanish hotel chains which can afford to offer low rates. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/..._SEAGA_POINTS_TO_HOTEL_TROUBLE.asp


Bahia Principe slapped with enforcement notice

'' The Spanish hotel faces prosecution if the terms of the notice, which were issued on May 15, are not complied with. The terms, according to NEPA, are: ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/...PPED_WITH_ENFORCEMENT_NOTICE__.asp


The aforementioned hotel has been in the news since construction began.


Seawind speaks out

'' For your readers' information, the developer, Seawind Key Investments Limited, is proudly capitalised by US$100 million (J$8.8 billion) and confirmed loan financing of US$80 million (J$7.04 billion). We continue to operate at full pace and all our direct suppliers and contractors who honour their contract are paid promptly. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lette..._152132_OBS_SEAWIND_SPEAKS_OUT.asp


Courts order LIAT pilot back to work

'' The Antigua and Barbuda Industrial Court has barred the pilots from continuing any further industrial action whether by means of a strike, go slow or sick out. ''

http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/18224/88/

Last week was a real mess for air travel in the EC with delays and passenger inconvenience as a result of the contaminated fuel etc.

Quoting HummingBird (Thread starter):
JM to implement baggage policies on flights to GND..

Very sticky issue as some people whose travel plans are for one week or less will be inconvenienced by their new baggage policy. Wonder what will be the ultimate solution for JM's baggage problems on the GND route ? Obviously the A320/A321 isn't the most suitable aircraft for that route and they would not acquire another ( eg B752 ) soley for just that route predominantly as it would be too costly. Also they would probably not want to block some of the seats to accomodate more luggage so it will be interesting to see how this one play out in the future.

Re AA's FLL-KIN...Read elsewhere where it is stated that the cut is seasonal and not permanent.



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 12054 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
the terminal building was actually on the opposite side of where it is currently located which means that it was closer to the ocean back then.

It is rather interesting that you make reference to the Mobay airport as I have just come across a 30 minutes documentary detailing the state visit of the late Ethiopian Emperor to Jamaica in 1966. It is in black and white and quality poor but anyone that is a history major will find it a reservoir of info.

But in the back ground is the Kingston International Airport, which was the venue for his arrival and the Montego Bay Airport which was used for his departure. You have at both airport a panoramic view of both facilities.

What am trying to determine is the type of aircraft that was used to transport the late King on this state visit.

BTW....In 1966 the King traveled by rail across the Island and the footage is nothing but pure delight for me.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 12045 times:

An update to the current list for the winter season

So far, these are the new additions to the winter line-ups for MBJ...
BA-LGW
Blue Panaroma-Italy
CM-PTY
TAM/Ocean Air- Brazil
Avianca-Colombia
TUI-Germany
Air Berlin-Berlin/Dusseldorf

We can add to the list
Condor - FRA
Livingston Airlines - MXP
Virgin Atlantic - LGW
Jetairfly- Bru


User currently offlineLimaMike From Jamaica, joined Feb 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12004 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
An update to the current list for the winter season

So far, these are the new additions to the winter line-ups for MBJ...
BA-LGW
Blue Panaroma-Italy
CM-PTY
TAM/Ocean Air- Brazil
Avianca-Colombia
TUI-Germany
Air Berlin-Berlin/Dusseldorf

We can add to the list
Condor - FRA
Livingston Airlines - MXP
Virgin Atlantic - LGW
Jetairfly- Bru

Add Arkefly - AMS



Cleared for takeoff!
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11976 times:



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 5):
Add Arkefly - AMS

Thanks Limamike

We will refresh this list as soon as we have an update plus includes all UK carriers.

We are working on a list of North American gateways for the upcoming season as well.


BTW, Captaink must be commended for his contribution in the ongoing debate about the baggage debacle of Air Jamaica with regards to there operation in the EC. He must know that it is quite refreshing to have someone who actually have first hand experience in dealing with such a raw matter.

From this experience it puts things into perspective and shed light on the dilemma that Air Jamaica faces with regards to those flights. It is fair to say then that Air Jamaica is really caught in a bind as the 320/321 are not ideal for the sort of VFR market that it currently caters to. The carrier is dealing with a market that does not travel light plus it serves these destinations not on a daily basis.

Thank you Captink your insight is quite refreshing.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

Just nothing that VS 69 out of LGW - KIN has been experiencing some major delays for the last few days. VS69 out of LGW today is 2:45 minutes late in leaving and last week it was over 6 hours late in getting into Kingston.

I am sure it is a combination of several factors: technical, late arrival from another station.


User currently offlineJm02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11915 times:

Article in SKN Vibes about the JM baggage charge; to save you from having to read it. The opposition are displeased with the charge, the change in flight timings and the bad publicity that has been generated in US travel industry journals and newspapers about the charge.
http://www.sknvibes.com/Politics/NewsDetails.cfm/9781

I feel the JM marketing boys were very slow off the mark in defending this policy. I am no fan of the policy but it took over a week of bad publicity and headlines before the Airline's marketing team finally pushed back.

I'm a natural sceptic and i've learned not to take anything at face value, but am wondering if i'm the only one who thinks it a tad strange that 6 tourist should drive some 3 hrs from their gated all inclusive resort into downtown Kingston, seems somewhat odd to me. Just whom or what were they going there for?


User currently offlineJm02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 11894 times:

Justing looking at LGWs website and it does not look like JA will be getting much connection traffic out of there. As the traffic is all leisure and none of the legacy EU carriers have a feed into LGW. It looks then that the traffic that BA will be bringing to JA will be a mix of those from the independent travel agents unable to work with VS, new traffic and those not wanting to slum it on the charters or travel with VS.

There is much talk about the Tourism minister making a push for Chinese tourist, which is all very laudable, but why is no work been done to generate greater numbers of Japanese visitors. They already travel in large numbers, are considerably richer than their Chinese counterparts and are knowledgeable about the Jamaican product.
Any Economist/Realist will tell you that there just isn't much of a viable tourist market between JA and China. I look forward to the rumoured charter in the summer but I don't see how it's viable to fly a long haul aircraft all the way to JA with only paying pax on one leg of the trip. Better to try and increase the number of Japanese visitors who can already access JA through a number of US gateways.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
Seaga points to hotel trouble

Seaga seems to make more sense with age, if only he was not so prone to 'foot in the mouth disease'. The points he makes are all valid. I don't think the small hotels necessarily need monetary aid. What they need is a Jamaican version of www.barbados.org. That way they could advertise there products in one place. This would especially appeal to the independent minded tourist who want to experience the real Jamaica and will put more money into the Jamaican economy than any all inclusive visitor.

Finally why does the JTA do so little, if any advertising in CARICOM countries. There is ready airlift to KIN via CM or BW that could generate greater number of arrivals for long weekends and short stays. The answers to our problems are always closer than we imagine and I think GOJ could take a leaf out of the books of GOB when it comes to marketing to CARICOM nationals. The Jamaican product is diverse and has a lot to offer not to mention the fact that many alumnis of UWI should have fond memories (you hope) of JA and if reminded would return.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11884 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 3):
But in the back ground is the Kingston International Airport, which was the venue for his arrival and the Montego Bay Airport which was used for his departure. You have at both airport a panoramic view of both facilities.

What am trying to determine is the type of aircraft that was used to transport the late King on this state visit.

Think I have viewed that video a couple of times as well. Not certain of the aircraft type either. Initially I got the impression it was a DC8 or B707 ( if we are referring to the same video clip ) but I could be wrong.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
An update to the current list for the winter season



Quoting LimaMike (Reply 5):
Add Arkefly - AMS

And more than likely we will be seeing Orbest from LIS again. Have there ever been a charter from CDG or ORY to MBJ ? I figure the number of French tourists to the island is no where near the levels of those from the UK or Germany.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 6):
From this experience it puts things into perspective and shed light on the dilemma that Air Jamaica faces with regards to those flights. It is fair to say then that Air Jamaica is really caught in a bind as the 320/321 are not ideal for the sort of VFR market that it currently caters to. The carrier is dealing with a market that does not travel light plus it serves these destinations not on a daily basis.

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Quoting Jm02 (Reply 8):
Article in SKN Vibes about the JM baggage charge

I am certain we will continue to hear about this issue for a while.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 7):
Just nothing that VS 69 out of LGW - KIN has been experiencing some major delays for the last few days. VS69 out of LGW today is 2:45 minutes late in leaving and last week it was over 6 hours late in getting into Kingston.

I am sure it is a combination of several factors: technical, late arrival from another station.

Where I currently reside I get a very good view of aircraft on long final for RWY 12 at KIN and yes the VS B744 from LGW has been passing over much later than usual of late. Hopefully they get their schedules back on track soon.

Understand that 14 guests who were staying at the Milk River Spa had to be rescued via boats because of flooding in the area as a result of torrential rains that have been pounding the area since 5:00 am this morning. Luckily the water didn't enter the building.



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 8):

Again, I repeat that the people managing there PR is doing an awful job. Even though this is measure that was introduced to contain the problem of delayed baggage the fall out is nothing short of a nightmare.

If you were to read the comments in the Caribbean Thread detailing the problems at GND then you would appreciate the fact that something has to change.

I am not in favor of this seven day time frame as there are some people that goes on holidays for very short stay.

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 8):
I'm a natural sceptic and i've learned not to take anything at face value, but am wondering if i'm the only one who thinks it a tad strange that 6 tourist should drive some 3 hrs from their gated all inclusive resort into downtown Kingston, seems somewhat odd to me. Just whom or what were they going there for?

I think it is a rather unfortunate incident where these innocent people were caught up in but that alone is defeating the efforts of those who wants to show case the attractions of the capital city. Too bad they did not get to see it.

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):
Justing looking at LGWs website and it does not look like JA will be getting much connection traffic out of there.

I am not sure I agree with you on that one as the intent is to harness BA connectivity from across the UK and continental Europe using Gatwick Airport. I think BA is the carrier only that they are looking at.

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):

There is much talk about the Tourism minister making a push for Chinese tourist, which is all very laudable, but why is no work been done to generate greater numbers of Japanese visitors

A recent report from the JTB posted in an earlier thread talked about the issue of China and why the board is not pushing at this time. The gist of there argument is that the recession is taking a toll on there economy and as the board is seeing China as more of a long term strategy. The Japanese economy has really taken a beating from this recession and is in a far worse position than China.

There is value in what the JTB is doing in courting the Chinese market as prior to the enset of the economic melt down it was one of the fast growing industry. Chinese dont travel as individuals but as a part of large groups. So therein lies the focus of the JTB.

So far the strategy that they have pursued are working in there favor.

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):
What they need is a Jamaican version of www.barbados.org.

You and I are one on that subject as Barbados is the envy of how to promote and manage small hotels. The problem with the small industry in Jamaica is that it is looking to the government for protection. But I detest the fact that they are not proactive and is not pursuing marketing initiatives that will ensure there success.

Again, Barbados small hotels have all pool there resources and is reaping good dividends.

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):

Finally why does the JTA do so little, if any advertising in CARICOM countries.

There is no money to be made in doing that. That is the honest truth.

[Edited 2009-05-25 19:56:35]

User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11852 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 10):

Think I have viewed that video a couple of times as well. Not certain of the aircraft type either. Initially I got the impression it was a DC8

I will send you the link but it is not a B707 for sure as the aircraft was not a jet. My suspicion is a Vickers 953 Vanguard. But I could be wrong

Quoting JM079 (Reply 4):
So far, these are the new additions to the winter line-ups for MBJ...
BA-LGW
Blue Panaroma-Italy
CM-PTY
TAM/Ocean Air- Brazil
Avianca-Colombia
TUI-Germany
Air Berlin-Berlin/Dusseldorf

We can add to the list
Condor - FRA
Livingston Airlines - MXP
Virgin Atlantic - LGW
Jetairfly- Bru

Orbest - Lis - (http://www.orbest.pt/destinos.aspx)

Thanks AirJamaica, I miss that one.


User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11841 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 10):

You live in the hills my bredren....Where the breeze nice and cool. LOL.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11832 times:



Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):
Justing looking at LGWs website and it does not look like JA will be getting much connection traffic out of there. As the traffic is all leisure and none of the legacy EU carriers have a feed into LGW. It looks then that the traffic that BA will be bringing to JA will be a mix of those from the independent travel agents unable to work with VS, new traffic and those not wanting to slum it on the charters or travel with VS.



Quoting JM079 (Reply 11):
the intent is to harness BA connectivity from across the UK and continental Europe using Gatwick Airport. I think BA is the carrier only that they are looking at.

I too was of the impression that the JTB was specifically targeting BA's connection at LGW. Though LHR have substantially more opportunities where this is concerned, LGW does have a decent feed from other UK cities and other points in Europe as well. Based on the planned departure time of BA 2285 LGW-MBJ , convenient connections can be made on BA from Rome, Manchester, Amsterdam, Luxembourg, Brussels, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Venice, Budapest, Jersey, Bologna etc. Conversely the arrival time at LGW from MBJ for 2284 allows for convenient onward connections to quite a number of BA UK and European destinations.

Quoting JM079 (Reply 12):
I will send you the link but it is not a B707 for sure as the aircraft was not a jet. My suspicion is a Vickers 953 Vanguard. But I could be wrong

O.K. Probably different videos we are referring to. Will look out for the link.

Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 13):
You live in the hills my bredren....Where the breeze nice and cool. LOL.

Not yet...lol....Actually on the hot plains. Only thing I really enjoy in this area is the view of aircraft on finals for 12 to Manley and those that use 30 for departure.



greenheart
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11784 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 1):
Much thanks Hummingbird for this the 12th in the series. It is an accepted fact that once the end of June arrives or before we will have a different owner structure to deal with.

You are welcome....My champagne has been on ice since March, lol..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
14 Threads strong and still counting. Cool photos of 07 at MBJ and those of KIN as well. A historical note regarding MBJ.... the terminal building was actually on the opposite side of where it is currently located which means that it was closer to the ocean back then.

Stronger by the moment.....MBJ in it's current state has come a long way..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 6):
BTW, Captaink must be commended for his contribution in the ongoing debate about the baggage debacle of Air Jamaica with regards to there operation in the EC. He must know that it is quite refreshing to have someone who actually have first hand experience in dealing with such a raw matter.

 checkmark 

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 8):
Article in SKN Vibes about the JM baggage charge; to save you from having to read it. The opposition are displeased with the charge, the change in flight timings and the bad publicity that has been generated in US travel industry journals and newspapers about the charge.

Its a delicate situation, but its a no win situation on both sides....

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 8):
I'm a natural sceptic and i've learned not to take anything at face value, but am wondering if i'm the only one who thinks it a tad strange that 6 tourist should drive some 3 hrs from their gated all inclusive resort into downtown Kingston, seems somewhat odd to me. Just whom or what were they going there for?

Am applauding Bruce and his team for their proactiveness in ensuring the safety and continued comfort of these tourists..It was mentioned, they were on their way to KIN on a day tour and made the wrong turn into a volatile comuunity..While the incident may be overlooked on the local scene, Ed has made plans to visit these visitors on his next trip to Canada as the situation can be sensationalised in the international media..

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 9):
Finally why does the JTA do so little, if any advertising in CARICOM countries. There is ready airlift to KIN via CM or BW that could generate greater number of arrivals for long weekends and short stays. The answers to our problems are always closer than we imagine and I think GOJ could take a leaf out of the books of GOB when it comes to marketing to CARICOM nationals. The Jamaican product is diverse and has a lot to offer not to mention the fact that many alumnis of UWI should have fond memories (you hope) of JA and if reminded would return.

Currently, the level the JTB wants to achieve cannot be sustained by The Caricom market..Hopefully with the rise of boutique hotels, we may see more marketing in the region

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 10):
And more than likely we will be seeing Orbest from LIS again. Have there ever been a charter from CDG or ORY to MBJ ? I figure the number of French tourists to the island is no where near the levels of those from the UK or Germany



I think there was one in the 90s, but it was a short lived service..I hope Ed will target the French market as they are big fans of reggae and dancehall music.....Alongside that the performance of our athletes has led to the a major love for the black, green and gold...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 14):
too was of the impression that the JTB was specifically targeting BA's connection at LGW. Though LHR have substantially more opportunities where this is concerned, LGW does have a decent feed from other UK cities and other points in Europe as well. Based on the planned departure time of BA 2285 LGW-MBJ , convenient connections can be made on BA from Rome, Manchester, Amsterdam, Luxembourg, Brussels, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Venice, Budapest, Jersey, Bologna etc. Conversely the arrival time at LGW from MBJ for 2284 allows for convenient onward connections to quite a number of BA UK and European destinations.

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Now that S7 plans to join OneWorld, Jamaica will have more access to the Russian market...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 2):
Re AA's FLL-KIN...Read elsewhere where it is stated that the cut is seasonal and not permanent.

Another season for load factors in their 40s.......The suspension of their services will allow NK and JM to strengthen their position on the route...AA will only gain support if they flood the market with cheap fares.....



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11778 times:
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A letter from an irate customer who was inconvenienced by the contaminated fuel in BGI..

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
Can we really learn some lessons from the events of May 22nd?

We had over 40 persons to meet on three different flights that day.

ZM drivers had been arranged to meet them based on scheduled and quoted arrival flight times.

Close to the original arrival times it became obvious that there were going to be delays, so the sensible thing to do was to first check with the airline.

One major carrier had not even changed its local recorded flight arrival announcement since 9 a.m. that morning, despite the aircraft being diverted to St. Lucia and eventually landing at 4 p.m.

On checking its website, the announcement stated that both the inbound and outbound flights were cancelled.

Another airline had not updated its recorded announcement since 11 a.m. that morning, again relating to a flight that should have landed at 9.50 p.m., but finally arrived at nearly 2 a.m. the following morning.

Yes! We eventually extracted that it was a problem with fuel, but this should have not taken anyone here by surprise. Where does our A1 aviation fuel come from, and who had been having the problem with contaminated fuel for days?
Trinidad of course!

Also knowing the vast amounts of taxpayers%u2019 monies invested in the various pipelines from Oistins and massive storage facilities at the airport, did we really not have two or three days%u2019 supply of non-contaminated fuel?

I cannot understand why airlines the size and reputation of some of the carriers that service Barbados, seemingly do not relate that it may be one of their relatives, an ageing grandmother, wife, child or distance friend that could be on that flight.

Just for a moment, try and imagine the worry and concern of friends and relatives meeting those flights, let alone the huge loss in productivity and expenses related to the delays.

For the sake of a manager taking the responsible of ensuring simple basic communications to the people that actually pay your salary, it reminds us that we are still a long way from making %u201Ctourism our business%u201D.

Grantley Adams International is now one, if not the most expensive airport to use throughout the Caribbean, extracting over $90 million in departure taxes each year alone.

If the individual airlines are unwilling to play their part in ensuring their customers are kept informed on a timely basis, then perhaps GAIC should step up to the plate.

Adrian Loveridge

http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=letters&NewsID=3861
[quote=HummingBird,reply=15]

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The tourism industry in Cayman has seen consecutive months of decline in arrivals....In a report last month, their Tourism Minister was quick to criticise the markets of Jamaica, Mexico and Dom Rep as 'cheap'......With a new Govt, hopefully they will elect a Minister who will reviatlise their industry..

http://www.caycompass.com/cgi-bin/CFPnews.cgi?ID=10382603

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The treatment of Caricom nationals from Guyana and St Vincent by officials from Barbados and Trinidad is being described as 'despicable'..The PM of St Vincent and Guyana have aired their views.

http://caribbeannetnews.com/news-16686--39-39--.html



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

The ongoing debate in Caricom about the treatment of people at several Caribbean airport has solicited the following comments from Jamaica.


...''“Interestingly, despite the fact that people have been sceptical of the position of this government in Jamaica towards Caricom, there is no country that has done more to observe and to comply with the provisions of the treaties than Jamaica. We don’t place any restrictions on Caricom people coming to Jamaica. The Red Carpet treatment has been rolled out. We have a special line at the airport for Caricom internationals,” he explained.

“I am proud that Jamaica cannot be faulted. We have done our part. But we are going to insist that when we send our patties down there (in the region) we don’t want to hear that they are held up on the wharf because people need to come and inspect our processing facilities. We have standards. We have standards organisations. We can’t fly over the world to inspect every little packing house everywhere and that is why we have international standards and specification that we adhere to,” he said.


This seems to be the official position of Jamaica as the statement was made by the Prime Minister


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11749 times:



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 14):

I too was of the impression that the JTB was specifically targeting BA's connection at LGW.

Further to that point, which must be made is that Gatwick website in all practical sense can not provide a fair measure in determining BA route network. A more accurate measure would be to view BA route network via www.ba.com.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11734 times:

Congrats to Virgin Atlantic who have bucked the trend in revealing a healthy profit margin for there operations last year.

It would be interesting to see details of what sort of return they are getting for there operations into the Caribbean.

Off point. UK Cable and Wireless Operations in the Caribbean called LIME has just revealed that the Caribbean operation has been one of record profits last year. So, I would be interested in know what sort of return that VS is seeing in he region.


User currently offlineJm02 From France, joined Mar 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11720 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 18):
A more accurate measure would be to view BA route network via www.ba.com.

The BA route network just further highlights the point that I was making, ie LGW is a leisure airport. All but two of BAs routes are to the South of Europe.
The truth is that if JA is after EU connections it needs flights out of LHR.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
I hope Ed will target the French market as they are big fans of reggae and dancehall music

Other than St Lucia, JA is one of the best known island's in the English speaking caribbean to the French, however there exists the French West Indies and thats where the French go. The French predominantly take their holidays at home in France or the overseas department. Far better for JA to go after the Scandinavian market.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
Currently, the level the JTB wants to achieve cannot be sustained by The Caricom market

The level the JTB and the GOJ wants to acheive are environmentally unsustainable. Why spend scarce cash trying to get say 20-40 Chinese tourist a week from China when you could get an additional 100 a week from CARICOM at considerably smaller costs.
If JA gives up on the small hotels and independent traveller niche then it will be left to compete with Cancun and the DR whose input costs are considerably less than JAs.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

An update on the Air Jamaica London slots debacle continues as we now have the details of the British Airways proposals.

http://www.ocg.gov.jm/website_files/...athrow_investigation/airj_inv3.pdf

I am stunned by its revelation as from what BA was offering to Jamaica it would have been a vast improvement on the existing arrangement.

In the agreement BA has committed to offer cross Island service. In addition the recent plans to re-introduce service to Montego Bay would have commenced nearly two years ago.

http://www.ocg.gov.jm/website_files/...athrow_investigation/airj_inv1.pdf

Also document as prepared by the previous CEO supporting BA as the viable carrier.

[Edited 2009-05-26 15:28:48]

User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11660 times:
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Quoting Jm02 (Reply 20):
Far better for JA to go after the Scandinavian market.

Hopefully it will be targetted for the Winter Season..

Quoting Jm02 (Reply 20):
The level the JTB and the GOJ wants to acheive are environmentally unsustainable. Why spend scarce cash trying to get say 20-40 Chinese tourist a week from China when you could get an additional 100 a week from CARICOM at considerably smaller costs.
If JA gives up on the small hotels and independent traveller niche then it will be left to compete with Cancun and the DR whose input costs are considerably less than JAs.

This was discussed at a meeting with the JTB heads...They are pleased with the current travel levels...The Caricom basin is a small travel market that demands little or no promotiom..Nationals who travel to Jamaica are often affluent individuals from these nations...GCM followed by T &T and Barbados has been suppling Jamaica with Caricom based tourists.......Any additional promotions will be focused on large travel markets outside the region..

On the topic of Chinese visitors..The current plan is in the foundation stages..The target next year is to see at least 200 visitors per week...

Quoting JM079 (Reply 21):
In the agreement BA has committed to offer cross Island service. In addition the recent plans to re-introduce service to Montego Bay would have commenced nearly two years ago.

If BA were offered the slots at that time, it would have been upgraded to daily flights based on demand..



A youtube clip of VS on approach to Kingston...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_rL9voJCM&feature=related



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Finally located former CEO of Air Jamaica - Mike Conway.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/04/prweb872544.htm

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_rL9voJCM&feature=related

Great view of the city. I notice that the flight entered Jamaica airspace from the east coast.


User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11624 times:

That clip on vs brought back memories. Nuff memories. I remember the days when i used to ride jump seat on jm and it was always nice to see the motherland coming into view....ahhhh the good old dayz.

25 Post contains links Jm02 : http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ness/columnists/article6368226.ece I would take anything that Sir Richard Branson and VS say with a pinch of s
26 AirJamaica : Quite interesting documents there regarding BA's proposal. " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV_rL...lated Nice clip of VS's arrival int
27 Post contains links HummingBird : They still receive oil at concessionary prices from Petro-Caribe..JM cannot afford to participate in a fuel hedge agreement.. This is what they appli
28 Post contains links JM079 : I have read the report as well as all the supporting documents to get a clear idea of the matter. http://www.ocg.gov.jm/ocg/supporting_documents.php
29 Post contains links HummingBird : A feature of B6's inaugural flight....The Inflight Crew on this flight were all Jamaicans...This flight has been receiving alot of media attention..B6
30 Yellowtail : At which end will they extend?
31 AirJamaica : It was announced that it would have been extended to 10,000 ft for quite some time now. Wonder what is the latest re the construction of a new ( and
32 A340Jamaica : So Jetblue finally decided to try KIN. It should be interesting. As I have said before, KIN is not MBJ and eventually assuming JM hangs around, it wi
33 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.hospitalityjamaica.com/news1.html This is really commendable that there will be further expansion of the facilities and I feel that this wi
34 HummingBird : I wonder if they will use LAN or TAME.. I am surprised the tower for the airport is not higher... There will be alot of restrictions as the road to S
35 JM079 : The bigger issue here is that Air Jamaica will not be state own carrier quite soon. So, with a recapitalized entity and a hard core base on hand, how
36 Par13del : If that really were the case they could have gotton much more money offering the slots to US carriers who were paying thru their noses for slots into
37 AirJamaica : MBJ tower is still serving it's purpose but it has also done its time so to speak. Very low indeed. I remember when the gates on the newer concourse
38 Jm02 : AA offered $6 million and they were the only US carrier interested, but the times were not ideal because they were not fixed and they were all after
39 Par13del : Well judging by how many slots AA and BA already have at LHR I would be suspect of their interest, but that's just me. As for the time frame, LHR is
40 Post contains links Jm02 : Brazen criminals rob BW's Southern Carlton centre office http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161483224 This could happen anywhere
41 Post contains links and images HummingBird : One would have imagined, the current tower would have been higher based on the fact there were proposals to extended the current runway.... If you we
42 Post contains links HummingBird : Air Jamaica celebrates 10 years of service to Grenada Miami, FL – May 28, 2009 – Air Jamaica is celebrating 10 years of service to Grenada, and ma
43 Post contains links JM079 : Air Jamaica arrival and departures at LHR were not in the prime slot times thus they held no significant value. But of interest in the report of the
44 Post contains links JM079 : That is accurate but if you were to read the response from Mr Noel Solely and Mr Melhado it was also revealed that AA was willing to switch slots wit
45 JM079 : This is highly debately point as there is a huge Jamaican community in the UK that has been lobbying for the return of Air Jamaica. The last time aro
46 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Have some snapshots of some aerodromes in Jamaica.. Ken Jones Aerodrome.. This is the Ken Jones Aerodrome on the north coast of Jamaica. It has recent
47 Jm02 : Great pics! especially appreciate finally seeing what Vermafield looks like; it obviously has alot of potential.
48 Speedbird2263 : Oh man! Love those pics Hummingbird! Brings back alot of memories. I remember the first time I flew into MKKJ, it was an early morning run from Tinso
49 AirJamaica : Agree. It will be a plus in many ways including keeping prices competitive as there will be two major players now on the MBJ-LGW route. My concern th
50 Post contains links JM079 : Just an update on a new development. Canada's newest charter airlines www.enerjet.ca will be operating charter service out of YYC to MBJ. EG630 is exp
51 JM079 : Port Antonio is quite picturesque. It simple takes your breath away. Too bad the GOJ is not serious about expanding the facilities as in previous yea
52 HummingBird : Thanks....I remember a couple years ago, there was constant war between the police and the cartel over who has control over the airport....I believe
53 JM079 : It is now official as Barbados Tourism Authority has announced that Air Jamaica will be one of several carriers will be providing additional airlift f
54 Speedbird2263 : From what I can recall yes it was a private airfield but Im not quite sure if it still is. I remember another field being private as well, I think it
55 Post contains links JM079 : http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1243508162.html Delta has opted to make some variance on there baggage fee policy which should be coming into effec
56 Post contains links JM079 : Bahamas is reeling from the fallout in visitor arrival and there seems to be panic setting in as in this report from the Nassau Guardian http://www.th
57 HummingBird : This was an unexpected move, but am glad to see The BTA having faith in JM......The directions they have taken will ensure they are serviced by carri
58 JM079 : That is funny. But seriously though, I can help but to think that this move by Qatar is a serious endorsement of the long term potentials that Cuba h
59 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Exactly.. Last month the Four Seasons closed their property in The Bahamas....The investors probably took the warnings and turned their focus to Cuba
60 AirJamaica : This decision by DL came as no surprise though. A proactive move on their part as they obviously know that in certain regions that $50 second baggage
61 Yellowtail : The folks in Jamaica need to look at CNS when thinking how to develop this one....same kind of location .....
62 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.travelweekly.com/article3_ektid195242.aspx Preliminary information released by LIAT revealed that the Caribbean airline lost close to $131,
63 LimaMike : Do these additional frequencies share the same departure times as the current schedule?
64 Post contains links HummingBird : http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/22256/view/?service=0 This is an aerial photo of Boscobel....The GOJ earlier this year mentioned the intentions t
65 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBC0l5SnNZU In this video of JM14 landing at NMIA there is BA 777 as well as VS 747 at the a gate. What a treat. http:/
66 HummingBird : The PIC did a good job with the crosswind landing.. Am yet to hear about the performance of the Jamaican flights...
67 JM079 : Did you notice how smooth the landing was plus that "gloating" sentiment from the FA. The Virgin flight was about to depart as the bridge had already
68 Post contains links and images HummingBird : A well known performance of JM pilots... It is refreshing to see both VS and BA in KIN at the same time...... Does KIN have a Premium lounge? 6Y-JMD
69 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPK6fU8cGc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NAjGVZ3DF0&feature=related Continuing the trend these two videos of BA land
70 HummingBird : Nice videos...... Over the last two weeks, BA have announced services to MBJ, PUJ, SSH, MLE and LAS..There have been speculations BA is trying to ent
71 Captaink : They are really top notch. They do have a healthy salary though.. AHA
72 JM079 : Strong players in the industry such as BA and Virgin are merely exerting there influence to gain market share. You will see weaker carriers and leisu
73 AirJamaica : Yes....same time schedules. Great video clips. VS seem to have spent quite some time at the holding point before rolling. Being a private entity I fi
74 Post contains links JM079 : The line for MBJ is going to be quite interesting when winter arrives as so far we have been documenting the number of carriers that are expected at
75 AirJamaica : Wished there was an official observation deck down there. Really miss the ' waving gallery ' days at KIN and MBJ. I am expecting to see those 3 desti
76 Post contains links JM079 : Jamaica is about to receive the first direct nonstop service from South America. The Minister of Tourism, Ed Barlette has announced the following: ...
77 HummingBird : Its a pity 20 of these individuals will be made redundant... I agree...It was interesting to witness their short take-off from MBJ... I am sure they
78 HummingBird : Would love to see DEN and SEA added to that list.....Hopefully they will offer seasonal charters from Alaska...
79 JM079 : It promises to be a very competitive season but from what I am seeing you will have more flights from regional airports in the UK. But that is predic
80 LimaMike : I know they have operated YHZ-MBJ and YEG-MBJ as well, are these services planned for the winter season as well?
81 HummingBird : I remember at the time of BA pullout, MBJ was filled with charters..Sundays was a known British day with up to seven flights to the UK... I forgot to
82 Post contains links Jm02 : http://caribbeannetnews.com/news-16746--10-10--.html Short-stay visa waiver agreements were signed on Thursday between the European Union (EU) and fou
83 OB1504 : I would assume that LAN is most likely, since they have substantial operations in both Ecuador and Peru. With the current A32X fleet unable to cope w
84 JM079 : Air Canada schedule does not indicate any schedule for either YHZ or YEG for MBJ. But Canjet will be operating the YHZ to MBJ. Skyservice and Transat
85 AirJamaica : I think NW still operate MSP-MBJ seasonally. Would be cool to see LAN in MBJ but I get the feeling it will be TAME. Lets see. Wikipedia** is currentl
86 Post contains links and images HummingBird : We will probably see the A310 on a short term basis before they make a decision on a new widebody.. A picture of the JM crew and other dignitaries pr
87 Post contains links Jm02 : Are you able to allude any further on the duty day rules for JM, also where do JMs pilots come from? There does seem to be a large number of Latin Am
88 Ilanbwoy : The latin american captains all left when the airline went back to govt. All pilots are now jamaican whether by birth or as a result of their parents
89 HummingBird : The duty day is 12 hours and this does not include flying hours...Any flight that has a duty day in excess of 12 hours will require a 3rd crew member
90 JM079 : Thanks for the update as I had missed that info thus I withdraw that earlier posting and is issuing the necessary apologies.
91 Post contains links JM079 : THE Barbados Tourism Authority (BTA) is committed to ensuring that the airlines it has support agreements with have a 70 per cent load factor througho
92 JM079 : Barbados Tourism Association has just concluded a major tour of Jamaica from May 18 -22, 2009 to secure airlift and to increase the number of Jamaica
93 Post contains links JM079 : It seems as if the recent news that Jamaica will be getting direct airlift out of South America has caught the attention of Barbados as in the current
94 Post contains links AirJamaica : Off topic but this is a very sad day in aviation......... Slim chance of finding survivors from missing Air France plane '' Air France said the Airbus
95 Post contains links JM079 : My sentiments too. The prediction for survival is getting quite remote. I am reminded of the 340 from Air France that ran off the runway here in Toro
96 Jm02 : Last year May I flew BGI to KIN and following push back it was just a sprint along the taxi way before turning onto the runway and then rolling start
97 AirJamaica : I remember that accident quite clearly as well. AF 358. On that day JM 079 had the morning departure to YYZ from KIN. Luckily that accident did not r
98 HummingBird : A good move, but hopefully they will encourage CAL to lower their prices on the route...I can't fathom why they would have such high prices on such a
99 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.newsday.co.tt/business/0,101269.html Not much has been made of this article from the Trinidadian dailies - Newsday about the proposal to me
100 JM079 : In that report carried by Barbados Advocate which talked about the additional air feed that British Airways will provide to St Lucia for the up comin
101 HummingBird : Credit is given for this concept, however as an outsider I see the same issue of political intereferece as a stumbling block....As we have seen in th
102 Post contains links AirJamaica : Now this doesn't make any sense to me if one is attempting to smuggle cocaine through an airport (s) but.................................. Airport aut
103 JM079 : Given the history of how territorial these respective Islands are it is going to require a significant amount of compromising to achieve the stated o
104 JM079 : Delta Airlines will commence direct/nonstop service from JFK to KIN effective December 19, 2009 in time for the winter season. Flt505 will depart JFK
105 AirJamaica : Interesting. And we all know about AA's famous '' low'' fares between BZE & MIA. We saw it coming. Good to see KIN getting additional service. Now th
106 Post contains links JM079 : Jamaica is expected to see an increase in earning from tourism of about 11.2 per cent higher than the year before. This according to the Jamaica Touri
107 Yellowtail : Well, to be honest..lately it hasn't been too bad...US$350 RT or so.... But early this year it was about $900 to MIA and $1000 to IAH......then every
108 HummingBird : I did not expect to see DL so soon in KIN, but this confirms the growth of the KIN market.... Another impressive move.....I still believe that after
109 AirJamaica : Not bad at all. Unbelievable. I would make the treck to CUN as well. Agree. More than likely. They had a small ticket office in New Kingston. Not cer
110 Post contains links JM079 : There is news today that Cuba Travel Service will be commencing flights between LAX and HAV. ( http://www.travelagentcentral.com/cuba/new-nonstop-serv
111 HummingBird : News on babybus...The aircraft will be configured in a two class compliment...8F and 138Y..
112 A340Jamaica : So DL decides to join the KIN action. Should be interesting. I honestly believe they and B6 are doing this just to make sure that they have their bas
113 Par13del : I am aware, my point is based on your second paragraph, most local airlines were under-capitalized from the get go, its why we usually scrapped aroun
114 HummingBird : Believe me, if that were the case, AA/DL/B6 would quickly add 2 daily services...JM079 had previously mentioned the anticipated 2-5% growth in traffi
115 Ilanbwoy : Talk about a sardine can. That will be 1 tight fit.
116 LimaMike : When it rains it pours. A mere two weeks and two additional JFK-KIN services announced. I'm intrigued though as to why DL only intends to offer 1x we
117 JM079 : This should not come as a surprise at all as Jamaica has been highlighting the continuing growth in air arrival. Air Jamaica shifted it focus last ye
118 Post contains links JM079 : Valid point as it was a bone of contention from day one when JM came on the scene the company was only given the necessary capital for start up opera
119 JM079 : It is a strategic move on there part as they are anticipating major changes to the landscape as every one is expecting the divestment of Air Jamaica.
120 Post contains links JM079 : http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=9658 Grenada has given some incentive to JM to ensure that the carrier can maintain the current service
121 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.jetblue.com/deals/new-cit.../?intcmp=hpIMG1NewCitySale20090604 Jet Blue has loaded its new schedule for its BGI, KIN and UVF for October. K
122 AirJamaica : Let the games begin ....B6's introductory fares on JFK-KIN is not bad at all. It stipulates JFK-KIN only though so I guess if your trip is originatin
123 HummingBird : They added the seats to integrate the aircraft in the fleet and to increase yields on the South Florida routes..With a cramped 138Y, I assume they wi
124 HummingBird : Ever since it's inception..Butch was flexible with the negotiations.... Pity the AA flight is struggling.... Despite all wishful thinking, GND will o
125 Post contains links JM079 : British Airways has opened its new Executive Club Lounge at the Norman Manley International Airport on Tuesday, June 2, 2009. The new BA Executive Clu
126 HummingBird : In their application to the JCAA, they listed the Embraer as the designated aircraft... .............................................................
127 Post contains links HummingBird : Well guys, here is the official news..JM079 and myself have kept this secret....I do hope Mr Wehby evaluate the recent trade dispute with T&T and offe
128 Post contains links JM079 : The news has been unwrap for the longest time so credit should be given to Caribbean Airlines for wanting to embark on an expansion program but from
129 AirJamaica : Interesting twist. Never saw this one coming. Very interesting days are ahead indeed. I am certain VS will do likewise shortly at KIN. Good to see th
130 HummingBird : I envison Thomas Cook using MBJ as a Caribbean hub that offers multi-vacation opportunities..It will be cheaper for them to fly their A330s and use J
131 Post contains links JM079 : The news that Thomas Cook Hummingbird and I were told that Thomas Cook was the preferred bidder due to the nature of there operations and the fact tha
132 Jm02 : I am more inclined to go for a tie-up between JM and BW. There is already rumours of a LI BW merger and with JM in the mix the region will have a full
133 HummingBird : Last month Mr Nobles informed the lessers they would be returning some aircrafts as they will be receiving aircrafts from the new investors..Hopefull
134 JM079 : I really don't think you are looking at the bigger picture as the government of Jamaica has made tourism one of there major pillar in there growth st
135 AirJamaica : Especially where fleet commonality/suitability and tourism is concerned. Most definately. Based on what the article disclosed where cash is concerned
136 JM079 : I am agreeing with you here that the bottom line is who can best meet those requirements. I have been blogging the various initiatives that Jamaica h
137 HummingBird : Thats where I draw the line....I would rather see them on the line of co-operation...JM has to now focus on expanding and strengthening services on i
138 Post contains links JM079 : Info available online indicates that Thomas Cook is owned by one of Germany leading International tourist and retail group. ( http://www.arcandor.com/
139 BWIA 772 : At the end of the day it is not always about who has the most capital but which partner will be a better fit to JM, the partner whose goals are more i
140 JM079 : Those are noble ideals but in all practical sense they have no relevance when it comes to the strategies that Jamaica intent to pursue in terms of it
141 JM079 : The report in the Jamaica Observer indicating the bidders for controlling interest in Air Jamaica reminds me of the two options that were presented to
142 JM017 : See, I agree. I think BW would be a great fit for these very reasons. But it will never happen. Sure money comes from the VFR routes (and this is the
143 Par13del : It's been many years since I lived in Jamaica, only occasional visits now, but what percentage of tourist traffic comes from North America - US and Ca
144 HummingBird : What will CAL bring to Jamaica to increase it's tourism figures..Thomas Cook is an international airline with experience in global tourism..With thei
145 JM079 : There is no info that is available at the moment that actually reveals the official bidders. For sometimes now the name Thomas Cook has been circulat
146 Par13del : Ideal situation would be a subsidary whose focus is regional and a parent whose focus is international, unfortunately, our histories have shown that
147 JM017 : Yup argument #1 Yeah, the idea of Air Jamaica being owned by the Gov't of T&T!!! It would be the end of the gov't, no matter how logical a hookup it
148 JM079 : The issue at hand is the divestment of Air Jamaica and how it will contribute to the national economy for the betterment of the Jamaican people and n
149 JM079 : LOL. It is a valid argument and you I know that. It is highly unlikely that you will KIN spin JM off to become a regional entity when it initially se
150 AirJamaica : Agree. JM's focus is on its core VFR routes FLL, JFK, YYZ, GND where the earnings/yields are higher but we have to also remember that a big part of t
151 Jm02 : Everyone's getting very emotional about the BW bid for JM and this may have a lot to do with personal preferences and individual animosity. I for one
152 Ilanbwoy : Thomas Cook vs Caribbean Alines. Caribbean Airlines would be a disaster in the minds of a lot of Jamaicans as based on recent political happenings reg
153 Caribbean484 : You are the voice of reason on the forum and I congrats you for that, we all have to look beyond the stupid pride and arrogance of this one is better
154 Post contains links JM079 : I aware of the reasons as to why it is not the final court of say for Jamaica. The current admin in KIN had opposed it while it was in opposition and
155 JM079 : That is a very good story. But that is all it is as events as described there in never transpired. That I can guarantee.
156 Jm02 : Thats a given so anyone buying JM, either BW or MT would have to keep the name. You have not stated how BW ownership would reduce airlift to Jamaica,
157 Caribbean484 : I can guarantee you that you did not know CAL was a contender of this bid, I know because there were a few that knew and was told to be very tight li
158 Post contains links JM079 : At no point in time did I say that BW ownership of Air Jamaica will result in a reduction in airlift to Jamaica. What we have talked about is the req
159 JM079 : You need to go back and look at the answer I gave you and then we can proceed with this discussion. BTW for the report: Air Jamaica management was/is
160 Caribbean484 : I never said Golding was involved with Manning, I said they all had an agreement about a regional carrier at the last head of Government meetings in
161 A340Jamaica : This is certainly interesting news. This kind of helps explain B6 and DLs recent movements re JFK. They know that if BW takes over JM, given the behav
162 BW424 : This might happen in the short term, but people will eventually soften up to it. The same thing happened with BWIA. Loyalty had sort of diminished an
163 JM079 : Fair enough but when I go back and read your expose you started off by saying..."I will give you all a little history on what has transpired for this
164 AirJamaica : A part of the reason for AA's success out of MIA into KIN/MBJ is the connecting traffic that they get through their MIA hub. Notice they cannot repli
165 HummingBird : This morning Enerjet had a flight from YYC.. JM used the A319 to ORD.. TS operated 2 A310 from YUL that departed within minutes of each other.. DL upg
166 Caymanair : I too would say of the two bidders indicated, Caribbean Airlines is the best for JM and for Jamaica. JM will never again control 50% of the market of
167 AirJamaica : What aircraft type did they use for this flight ? Is this the first time '' baby-bus '' is visiting the Windy City ? Canadian traffic still robust. I
168 HummingBird : A B738... Yes... I agree... As you have seen, I have been verbose over the revelation of the final two bidders for JM.... Well, brace yourselves as w
169 A340Jamaica : If there is a name change then we can agree that the plan is to not have a Jamaican airline any longer as that will be the outcome once the formerly
170 Post contains links AirJamaica : Editorial........... Don't sell Air J to T&T '' I hope the Government does not sell it to them. I am very angry at what is going on at the cement fact
171 Jmc777 : With all due respect, the Thomas Cook Group has an annual turnover of almost £9 billion and amongst other parts of the business operate a fleet of 9
172 HummingBird : Sticky situation....However, once it is officail, I will elaborate....We can only hope for a miracle at this point... Thanks for the clarification..I
173 Post contains links Jm02 : Surprised just how little news coverage this has generated, there has not been anything in any of the UK broadsheets business pages, nothing in the T
174 A340Jamaica : If JM is sold to T&T and the name is changed. Good Bye diaspora!!! I hope they know that. Jamaicans, myself included will then view JM as no differen
175 JM079 : US Airways has updated there schedule for the coming winter season and has increase the number of flights out of Boston to Montego BAy. US has always
176 Post contains links AirJamaica : I should note that in 2005 they were able to maintain a LF of 81% on their LHR route. http://www.abtn.co.uk/news/air-jamaica-reports-best-year-in-a-d
177 JM079 : I have decided to add some facts to the on going discussion as it is obvious that not much is know about the company called Thomas Cook. JM02 has stat
178 Jm02 : The answer to this question can proberly be got from what Trinidad and Tobago Prime Minister Patrick Manning has been saying since 2002. Manning supp
179 Post contains links and images Jmc777 : Sorry about that, was a slip of the keys, absolutely should read £309, NOT £390, apologies. Jm02 - Unfortunately, the group combines all the UK & I
180 Jm02 : Looking at the CAAs latest air passenger traffic to and from the UK, the figures below are for both MBJ and KIN. Of note is that each year since 2005
181 JMBWEEBOY : Regarding this whole subject as to the possible loss of the name Air Jamaica while unthinkable to me as recently as a year ago, I would have no proble
182 JM079 : I think it is important that the following should be stated as factually. There are several postings being made that the Jamaica politicians have enga
183 HummingBird : AA used it's B763 on its MIA-KIN flight.. ............................................................................................................
184 Post contains links JM079 : The majority shareholder in Thomas Cook, Germany leisure and retail story - Arcandor has filed for chapter 11. They were in the news last week seeking
185 Post contains links Jm02 : This is actually old news and was mentioned as far back as reply 151, proberly earlier but so many posts have been deleted it's hard to gauge. In ess
186 Post contains links JM079 : Air Jamaica is getting additional funding from the government as this report was aired this morning. The Government is to provide more financial suppo
187 HummingBird : In my opinion I would not be surprised if they extended the deadline for divestment....The final two bidders are not up their expectations.. In the c
188 Post contains links JM079 : News out of the UK is that Jamaica is seen as the best buy for a UK vacation due to the movement of the UK pound. "Jamaica offers the best of a lot of
189 Caymanair : (1) Point taken... Thomas Cook has a wider background than I imagined. Actually seeing this information makes me wonder what exactly Thomas Cook think
190 Post contains links EI787 : In recent days, this thread has attracted a lot of attention from the moderators due to Forum Rule infringements. At this point, it appears necessary
191 A340Jamaica : I honestly cannot see why some feel that a merger of regional airlines will work. If you look at the geography of the Caribbean, particularly the Ang
192 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/18719/52/ The Government guaranteed a stock of loans totalling just over US$101 million as working capital fo
193 Post contains links JM079 : What about the argument that has been thrown into the mix to buttress there position that the merge will foster greater integration? Is BW interested
194 Post contains links JM079 : The minister with responsibility for Air Jamaica admitted today they are in talks with more than two prospective bidders for the national carrier howe
195 Jm02 : Why it will work, in my opinion, is because it will be capitalised and have sound financial foundations. If we imagine hubs in KIN, ANU and POS. Then
196 JM079 : RadioJamaica is reporting on there online news edition this morning that Air Jamaica has surpassed there expectation of a break-even by summer and in
197 HummingBird : Agreed..The market is way too small and even with integration we may only see an addition of turbo props with existing changes to the current airline
198 AirJamaica : That is really good news indeed and is quite commendable. Looking forward for more details when it is posted.
199 JM079 : I think that your statements are being made in relative isolation with out due regards to the current climate which every knows has hit rock bottom.
200 Post contains links Jm02 : Well done to the team at JM, and it seems the strategies that they have put in place are starting to bear fruit. Further good news on the JIS website
201 Jm02 : Does that mean that EK and EY are failures? In a world Economy where airlines are expected to lose collectively $9 billion I think JM needs backers w
202 Post contains links JM079 : Such a comparison is beyond me. Think about it. I could reel off a list of reasons why the comparison is impractical. But to your core point that a r
203 JM079 : What evidence is there to prove that point. Show me examples. What is the source of that claim that Airone backer has pulled out.
204 Post contains links Jm02 : Airone should have started up this year March and had hoped for a base in KIN, but they were refused permission by the GOJ pending the privatisation
205 JM079 : That is a very strong statement so I am again asking for evidence to support that position. I agree that not much is reported about this venture of l
206 Jm02 : CARICOM passport have been issued by all 12 CARICOM countries as of March 09. My belief that BW would make better owners of JM than MT, is my own per
207 A340Jamaica : As I stated earlier, the nature of the Caribbean, the discrepancy in population and market size, the distances between markets and the politics mean
208 Post contains links JM079 : Not much has been said about the AirOne venture that was suppose to get off the ground this year but from several posting from info posted by JM02 (mu
209 Post contains links JM079 : You and I are on the same page with respect to the impracticality of the suggestion as I had pointed out before that the idea of a regional carrier h
210 Captaink : With the 3 airlines the caribbean as separate entities, there is the air of a monopoly. Neither competes directly with the other. Haven't you noticed
211 Post contains links EI787 : Continued here: Divestment Deadline..Jamaican Thread #15 (by HummingBird Jun 10 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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