NYC-AIR From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
I know a lot of people from Manhattan who travel out to ISP, via the long island rail road, to get WN's cheap fares. It's actually ironic that Stewart airport is constantly thought of as a possible relief for NYC's 3 airports - it doesn't have a rail connection to Manhattan. ISP, however, is just 1h 20m on the train + taxi from Ronkonkoma station, making the whole trip under 1h 40m.
ISP needs a flashy carrier with low fares to draw people. WN is already doing the trick, but imagine if Virgin America were there - something to bring naysayers out.
Or what if, and this would never happen, but what if the LIRR just built a spur from Ronkonkoma to the airport. Just saying, it would be a lot cheaper than whatever keeps being proposed for Stewart - not like that' s gonna happen either.
SXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2391 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2561 times:
I remember "back in the day" when Carnival flew in here with their 732's - US Air with their DC-9's and sometimes the Fokker's and the 737, and I believe I saw an AA 727 takeoff from ISP one time! I also remember a carrier that had a yellow tail and cheat line they flew 737-200s but I cant remember the airline.
Always wondered what it would be like if AA came back to ISP? I guess they'd fly the "Super 80" into ISP?
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Silentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Quoting LONGisland89 (Thread starter): At ISP only WN and US remain. Does anybody think any former carriers will return ie NK, DL, CO? How about new WN destinations. ISP is boring! Southwest everywhere
If anyone tries to come into ISP, WN will just drop their fares to $49 or some other number that nobody is going to compete with. It doesn't make sense for any domestic airline to try and come back in to that market at this time.
ADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 952 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2441 times:
As far as new service?? It wouldn't be domestic. I could see B6 come in with a SJU flight or Ryan Air from SNN.
It is a shame that WN comes in and pushes the competition out. It was nice when "everyone" flew there.
Quoting NYC-AIR (Reply 3): Or what if, and this would never happen, but what if the LIRR just built a spur from Ronkonkoma to the airport
Going back to the glory days of ISP the talk was to put the new terminal on the north side of the airport and it would be connected to the LIRR station. I don't know why that never happened as that was a good idea I thought.
The original Piedmont had B737 service several times a day to the BWI Hub. Occasionally they would have 1x service to CLT.
EA had a B727 to ATL and a few EA Shuttle B727 doing the Florida runs.
US had several DC9's to PIT and DCA and at one point even jet service to PHL. (PHL and DCA later to become Dash 8s) and B1900 to BOS and ALB
Empire at one point had Metroliners to Syracuse
Delta Express had several flights to Florida along with Carnival (later to be Pan Am redeux)
American was big with Super 80's to the RDU and ORD hubs and hourly Eagle service to BOS. (In the regulated days AA had a B727 to ORD)
United had a 727 to ORD and a few Jetstreams to IAD.
Northeastern DC8's and B727 to Florida, BDL and BOS. A mini hub at one point.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2390 times:
Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 7): As far as new service?? It wouldn't be domestic. I could see B6 come in with a SJU flight or Ryan Air from SNN.
Intenational airlines often operate in-out of EWR or JFK at odd hours because at premium hours, both airports are too expensive to operate in, subject to very frequent delays or not quick turn-around friendly at all.
Even with ISP runway and noise restrictions, I do believe that ISP with an in-terminal F.I.S. could attract some international service.
If London has LTN, ISP could be NYC's smaller version of a LTN-style airport. I only wish ISP management would take notice of that.
Eghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8): Intenational airlines often operate in-out of EWR or JFK at odd hours because at premium hours, both airports are too expensive to operate in, subject to very frequent delays or not quick turn-around friendly at all.
AFAIK landing fees at JFK/EWR are exactly the same whether it is 3 pm. or 3 am. There has been talk for years about congestion pricing in New York, but there is none yet. I sincerely doubt that congestion at JFK/EWR is going to push any international service to ISP.
Joelfreak From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
B6 could support service to Florida out of ISP, but other than that, in this market, I don't see WN letting anyone else get in...Believe me, I would LOVE to see it. But even UA stopped putting their code on most of the US planes out of there. You used to be able to buy UA coded ISP-PHL...no longer. Now you are lucky to see a UA code on much of anything out of there. Its very rare.
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1889 times:
Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 2): I knew WN was strong at ISP but I really had no idea just how strong they were. From March 1, 2008 through February 28, 2009, WN carried 93.7% of all ISP passengers.
Quoting Silentbob (Reply 6): If anyone tries to come into ISP, WN will just drop their fares to $49 or some other number that nobody is going to compete with. It doesn't make sense for any domestic airline to try and come back in to that market at this time.
My question would be how are the fares now that WN has such a high percentage of the market, have they been raising them on a whim and fancy?
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2897 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
I did hear that NK would come back once the global financial crisis calms down. NK offers something that WN can't out of ISP, service to FLL with connection capabilities to the carribean destinations. I guess we'll wait and see.
I remember as a kid taking Carnival Airlines (B734 IIRC) out of ISP. I also remember when I was a kid watching my grandparents get off a plane with a big apple on the tail, New York Air. Can't remember if it was a B727 or B737, I think I lost most of the brain cells where those memories are kept LOL!
Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 7): Going back to the glory days of ISP the talk was to put the new terminal on the north side of the airport and it would be connected to the LIRR station. I don't know why that never happened as that was a good idea I thought.
Agreed. That is a down side to ISP, you are dependant on taxi/limo service or getting picked up by a friend. No direct link to the LIRR (unless there is a shuttle bus that I didn't know about). But at the same time, the LIRR stop would be Ronkonkoma, which has almost no service going east of there, but a lot of service going west. If they could link the airport with the southern line of the LIRR, there would be loads of options both east and westbound. I personally LOVE being able to take the train to the airport. I have done it a bunch of times while working here at JFK.
Quoting N623JB (Reply 13): What about JetBlue starting service at ISP..its a NY airport. ?
Yes, it is a NY airport, but the cities that B6 would want to fly to out of ISP are already served to the max by WN. It would be a financial blood bath on both sides, not something any airline wants to do in this economy. Plus, WN has a lot more transfer options by going to BWI or MDW. B6's transfer options at IAD are minimal compared to WN at BWI, and aren't as good at FLL as NK.
Wow, I was just thinking, I haven't flown out of ISP in like 10 years! Time really goes by quickly LOL!
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
That Yellow tail Pegasus 737 was a Turkish registered 737 400 flying with Carnival. Air Florida was a fun carrier. The pilots looked like bronzed surfers and the flight attendents, their girlfriends...always a party on those junkets! WN does the best job out here, tried all the others...with the Port Jeff Ferry just north of ISP I would see ISP being a better draw to Connecticut travelers than Stewart. But Bradley would be their optimum choice. Actually a new carrier is scheduled to start ops in June I believe. WN is the best, most regular service I've seen at ISP and hope for the sake of my business they remain...besides...I no longer need an alarm clock as their early morning departures wake me up right on schedule as I lay in bed and watch them buzz by my skylight...Directly above them exists the inbound Euro arrivals to JFK, my ambition is to get them both in the same photo stacked like pancakes!
JBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1738 times:
If DL went back to ISP, maybe they could capture some of the market share there again. For a while, they had more flights than all the other airlines but WN I believe. Three or four dailies to ATL and two or three to CVG. I flew DL into ISP a few times with no problem. DL also would probably use ATL, which can connect travelers to cities (domestic and Carribean) that WN doesn't even fly to.
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