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Pluna To Increase Frequencies To GIG  
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3033 times:

From november 1st PU will increase their MVD-GIG service from 5x weekly to daily:

EFF 01NOV09:

PU222 - MVD 1200 - 1440 GIG - CR9 - DAILY
PU223 - GIG 1520 - 1820 MVD - CR9 - DAILY

This is a very important boost on GIG's South American ops. Now, I guess, they're expecting TA to follow suit and go daily as well. As for LA, apparently they're not moving towards a year round nonstop service to SCL and no sign of AV but they would need a new bilateral to return to GIG (nonstop).

[Edited 2009-05-27 18:50:28]


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3679 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3022 times:

That's great news. Though it's a pitty that the schedule makes it difficult to connect through GIG to other international destinations.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2988 times:
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Wow, more ammunition to keep up the growing. More PU in November and US in December !
As mentioned by AF086, i hope TA also increases services to Rio considering they already reduce the service to São Paulo to 11x weekly from 2x daily.

What you guys expect more for our airport during this year ? May we expect more BA and the AA non-stop seasonal JFK-GIG again ?



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting AF086 (Thread starter):
PU222 - MVD 1200 - 1440 GIG - CR9 - DAILY
PU223 - GIG 1520 - 1820 MVD - CR9 - DAILY

Great news and said above if only the schedule would allow better connections. PU flight is also 1-class flight, no business class.

It was high time for this route to operate daily. PU recently announced further increase in GRU from twice daily to 3 daily, which means MVD-GRU will have 7 daily flights (2 TAM, 3 PU plus 2 GOL via MVD). PU will also launch POA-MVD 4 x week.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
TA also increases services to Rio considering they already reduce the service to São Paulo to 11x weekly from 2x daily.

Lipe, TA LIM-GRU is back twice daily from June/09. LIM-GRU will have 4 daily operations (2 TA, 1 JJ, and 1 LA). 7 frequencieas are available because LA decreased LIM-GRU from daily to twice daily due to TAM codeshare (LA and JJ fully codeshare the route). Given the released frequencies by LA, this means LA could increase LIM-GIG as frequencies are availble.

Starting June, TA flights to GRU are back to twice daily:

TA 131 10:15 - LIM 17:00 - GRU daily
TA 136 22:00 - LIM 04:45 - GRU daily

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
What you guys expect more for our airport during this year ? May we expect more BA and the AA non-stop seasonal JFK-GIG again ?

We are still waiting for TAM JFK-GIG daily red-eye. With daily flights to IAH, MIA, CLT (and perhaps IAD) GIG-JFK is the obvious next destinations which deserves daily service. As you said, great news for GIG with added flights from CO, US and I also expect UA to confirm IAD-GIG daily year-around.

In South America, LA could add flights operating daily LIM-GIG and as mentioned above LA could come back with SCL-GIG nonstop which is the major missing link in GIG at the moment. LA is revising its fleet deployment and schedule (eg EZE-GRU will be increased from daily to 8 weekly). I expect an announcement about SCL-GIG A320 dedicated year around before the end of the year.

Rgs,

[Edited 2009-05-28 02:22:46]

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
2 GOL via MVD

I believe you meant GOL via POA.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
We are still waiting for TAM JFK-GIG daily red-eye

That's a big missing flight for me.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
With daily flights to IAH, MIA, CLT (and perhaps IAD) GIG-JFK is the obvious next destinations which deserves daily service. As you said, great news for GIG with added flights from CO, US and I also expect UA to confirm IAD-GIG daily year-around

JFK (NYC) is the largest single O&D from GIG and for sure, the big missing point. DL and AA are allowing other airlines to take a share of the market !

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
In South America, LA could add flights operating daily LIM-GIG and as mentioned above LA could come back with SCL-GIG nonstop which is the major missing link in GIG at the moment

I can't understand why LA can't fly GIG-SCL. My only imagination is that they try to keep Rio and São Paulo together for their own advantage.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
That's a big missing flight for me.



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
JFK (NYC) is the largest single O&D from GIG and for sure, the big missing point. DL and AA are allowing other airlines to take a share of the market !

There is no doubt that should be at least a daily JFK-GIG, but again probably TAM is protecting its own market. GIG will have nonstop operations to MIA (2), CLT, IAH, ATL, IAD therefore nothing can explain the absence of JFK nonstop daily. In fact GIG-JFK should have at least the same capacity as MIA, ie 2 daily nonstop.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
I can't understand why LA can't fly GIG-SCL. My only imagination is that they try to keep Rio and São Paulo together for their own advantage.

The lack of GIG-SCL is completely irrational. LA is pulling together GRU-GIG so that it can deploy the B767 and therefore also manage more frequencies but this comes at the detriment of GIG nonstop. GIG-SCL is the major missing link in GIG. LA is the only airline which still insists in keeping GRU-GIG as tag-on instead of focusing on each market with dedicated operations.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2687 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
There is no doubt that should be at least a daily JFK-GIG, but again probably TAM is protecting its own market.

Yes it seems to be, it's early to say something based on information available but in november the fact that TAM begins GIG-JFK produced a drop of around 1,500 passengers on their Sao Paulo services.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
In fact GIG-JFK should have at least the same capacity as MIA, ie 2 daily nonstop

I would say that GIG-JFK could be no more than 10x weekly. MIA in fact got the demand from other FL areas, and fight for the same markets as JFK. So i believe a daily service, plus Fri/Sun/Wed service, would be perfect.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
The lack of GIG-SCL is completely irrational

As i mentioned, airlines sometimes drive their operations only for their profits when there's no competition. Both JJ and LA protects SCL-Brazil market using one gateway, and if no one competitor come, will continue like that.
The bad side is that, if an airline begins GIG-SCL, LA will come with 2x daily to kill the new competitor, and then alone, will cancel the non-stop again, not because there's no market, but because for them it's better to have just one route.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
GIG-SCL is the major missing link in GIG

Together with GIG-Asia / Middle East. Exports and services from Rio to Asia / Middle East are growing on a double digit rate for sometime, and there's no link between Rio and the continent. They have the same situation, a connection is possible, but a non-stop just don't exist. Petrobras for example just closer a major agreement with China, got funds from JBIC (Japan), celebrate partnership with India...



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2674 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
november the fact that TAM begins GIG-JFK produced a drop of around 1,500 passengers on their Sao Paulo services.

This is one side of the coin. The drop in pax you mentioned could well be related to other reasons, you are making an assumption linking GIG-JFK to a possible drop in pax from GRU-JFK forgeting other possible variables, which can vary from seasonality of demand to drop in overall demand in JFK market due to financial crisis. In my opinion TAM has a solid position in its GRU-JFK market and the two daily flights reinforce each other. Of cource, the daylight flight has poorer performance (as any daylight flight). In the specific month of November and December I know for example that KLM experience a reduction in JFK traffic demand and so did many other airlines.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2656 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
This is one side of the coin

No doubt, you're correct about that, but not only TAM got a hit, lets see how other New York services to Brazil performs in 11/2008:

AA 77.8%
CO 63.4%
JL 68.1%
DL 44.9%
JJ 65.2%

10/2008

JL 81.9%
JJ 78.4%
DL 53.1%
CO 75.0%
AA 86.3%

All airlines show a drop of around 17%, with AA showing a smaller reduction.
DL numbers are very bad.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2655 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
No doubt, you're correct about that, but not only TAM got a hit, lets see how other New York services to Brazil performs in 11/2008:

AA 77.8%
CO 63.4%
JL 68.1%
DL 44.9%
JJ 65.2%

10/2008

JL 81.9%
JJ 78.4%
DL 53.1%
CO 75.0%
AA 86.3%

All airlines show a drop of around 17%, with AA showing a smaller reduction.
DL numbers are very bad.

This is a worldwide scenario, if you look at BA or other airlines in Europe you will be schock with the numbers. In fact, loads @ 60% for September and November 2008 could be considered in fact very good!!

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
This is a worldwide scenario, if you look at BA or other airlines in Europe you will be schock with the numbers. In fact, loads @ 60% for September and November 2008 could be considered in fact very good!

For sure, but there's exceptions.
GIG in fact is one of them, with international passengers increasing by more than 20% !
Hope it's continue despite the fact it lost a lot of domestic services.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11407 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2619 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
TA LIM-GRU is back twice daily from June/09

Hardi, TA schedule still shows TA130 runs except Tu, We, Th which means, continues 11x weekly.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2517 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
Hardi, TA schedule still shows TA130 runs except Tu, We, Th which means, continues 11x weekly.

According to TA it is 11 weekly LIM-GRU, but according to Amadeus TA will operate LIM-GRU twice daily. Competition on LIM-GRU is tough with TAM, LA and TA fighting for each yield and pax!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
GIG in fact is one of them, with international passengers increasing by more than 20% !
Hope it's continue despite the fact it lost a lot of domestic services.

Lipe, I was speaking about loads and yields concerning airlines, I was not referring to any airport's overall pax/traffic number. I was also not comparing any airport.

Rgs,


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

I wonder what would be the 2nd market (destination) in Chile if any airline was to decide to create a nonstop link so that pax wouldn't have to connect thru SCL... Concepcion, Antofagasta??? LA is soberan in Chile and has no competition at all to their SCL network.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2435 times:



Quoting Neo (Reply 13):
I wonder what would be the 2nd market (destination) in Chile if any airline was to decide to create a nonstop link so that pax wouldn't have to connect thru SCL... Concepcion, Antofagasta???

I personally think IQQ is an important airport because of cargo, on the other hand Calama, Antofagasta, Puerto Mont and Concepcion are all important markets but with low connectivity. It is more likely we will see services from a secondary destination in Brazil to Chile such as SSA-SCL and FLN-SCL. In the past RG operated POA-SCL.

For your info, the domestic Chilean routes with highest pax traffic are in this order:

Santiago-->> to
Antofagasta (12,6%);
Puerto Montt (10,9%);
Iquique (10%);
Concepción (9,4%);
Calama (8,4%);
Punta Arenas (8,3%),
Temuco (5,9%)

Quoting Neo (Reply 13):
LA is soberan in Chile and has no competition at all to their SCL network.

Sky competes with LAN and has an excellent airline with 20% of the domestic market after the merger with Air Comet last year. Sky has been trying to get frequencies to Brazil and Peru but Chilean authorities protect LAN.

Rgs,


User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

The code-share agreement JJ - PU is now possible for flights linking Sao Paulo and Montevideo, but MVD-GIG is not included yet.




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Quoting AF086 (Thread starter):
they're expecting TA to follow suit and go daily as well

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the possibility of TA LIM-GIG as daily operational depends on the expansion of the bilateral treaty between Brazil and Peru. I have read in older threads that such upgrade will be possible until the 2010, taking into account that TA is apparently holding their 14x weekly frequencies to Sao Paulo.
If TA would shift [TA LIM-GRU 14x weekly and TA LIM-GIG 4x weekly] for [TA LIM-GRU 11x weekly and TA LIM-GIG 7x weekly] instead, I ignore if legal actions might be in process if this fictitious situation should happen later.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the possibility of TA LIM-GIG as daily operational depends on the expansion of the bilateral treaty between Brazil and Peru



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
If TA would shift [TA LIM-GRU 14x weekly and TA LIM-GIG 4x weekly] for [TA LIM-GRU 11x weekly and TA LIM-GIG 7x weekly] instead, I ignore if legal actions might be in process if this fictitious situation should happen later

The bilateral (revised in February 2009) allows for 21 frequencies of which LA uses 7 and TA uses 14. Apparently TA's 4 weekly frequencies to GIG are extra bilateral. The frequencies are not restricted to any destination and TA may operate these frequencies to GRU or GIG, TA may also shift frequencies from GRU to GIG (but TA cannot shift the extra bilateral frequencies operated in GIG to GRU for obvious reasons). This is my understanding of the bilateral, but I may be wrong.

The bilateral also allows for irrestricted regional flights, this means TA could operate eg LIM-MAO if it wished to do so.

A summary of the bilateral is provided below:

http://www.anac.gov.br/arquivos/pdf/acordosBilaterais/P/Peru.pdf

Rgs,


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