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AA 757s Recent Developments/updates?  
User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9552 times:

Anyone knows how many 757s has AA converted to long-haul so far? AA is starting MIA-SSA-REC on 757 soon. By now they must have several birds reconfigured. Also, what about the status of the rest of the 757 fleet? It desperately needs a make-over!!! This initiative seems to be taking forever.

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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9284 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Thread starter):
Anyone knows how many 757s has AA converted to long-haul so far?

Four.

Quoting PRAirbus (Thread starter):
Also, what about the status of the rest of the 757 fleet?

The domestic CIP (cabin improvement project) has been delayed, but not canceled. The company said it is currently evaluating the project timeline and reassured the project is not dead. No date was given on when to expect the program to begin.



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User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9092 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 1):
The domestic CIP (cabin improvement project) has been delayed, but not canceled. The company said it is currently evaluating the project timeline and reassured the project is not dead. No date was given on when to expect the program to begin.

At the rate this 5-year overdue project is going, they will complete the upgrade just weeks before these birds head to the desert.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9070 times:

Don't hold your breath.  banghead  It seems that every time someone mentions it in these forums it has been pushed back again. Maybe if we stopped discussing it the date will finally come.  biggrin 


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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

My hope is that one of the issues being worked out is the original CIP schedule. It was to take five years to complete the fleet initially. While the project is substantially behind the original prototype date of October 2008, hopefully the new schedule will have the a/c being completed at a much more brisk pace. While we're delayed now, hopefully the project will be completed within two years of starting, not five.


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

Is AA putting winglets on their 757s?

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8885 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 5):

All of them already have winglets.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8806 times:

Thanks to all for the input. Like someone already mentioned...if the project is so delayed I guess it is a fact to assume that not all AA 757s will get modified. Perhaps the oldest ones won't unless even their oldest 757s will still have another good 10yrs of life span. How old is AA's oldest 757? Almost 20yrs???

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8772 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 7):
Almost 20yrs???

Just about... AA's first 757 was delivered July 17, 1989. So, in about a month and a half she'll celebrate her 20th birthday. For comparison, the last 757 delivered new to AA was on April 30, 2002.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

How long did the retrofit take, and how much did it cost? If all AA 757s have winglets that is a serious amount of money, no?

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Here are a couple of photos I took of the new first class cabin.

Big version: Width: 2816 Height: 2112 File size: 701kb


Big version: Width: 2816 Height: 2112 File size: 758kb



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User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

My guess is that the program will be put into full swing if AA/BA/IB get approved for antitrust immunity(decision coming this November I think). Otherwise, don't hold your breath.


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8421 times:
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Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 8):
the last 757 delivered new to AA was on April 30, 2002.

It was EXACTLY when the last 727 was retired, Apr 30th 2002. I know it's a bit off topic, but I mention this because it's a coincidence.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8386 times:



Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 11):
My guess is that the program will be put into full swing if AA/BA/IB get approved for antitrust immunity(decision coming this November I think). Otherwise, don't hold your breath.

You may be confusing the domestic CIP (cabin improvement project) with the international 757 (TATL) project, or 75L a/c. These are two different initiatives, and the TATL (75L) project is in full swing with four of 18 a/c complete. The project in question here is in regards to the remaining 106 757s that will retain their current configuration (plus two first class seats) and continue flying the routes they fly today (US/Mexico/Caribbean/Central America).



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8138 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 13):
and the TATL (75L) project is in full swing with four of 18 a/c complete

What is exactly being done to the coach cabins on these birds? I flew DFW-JFK earlier in the month in coach and couldn't tell what was all changed. The seats looked like the ones on the 738s. Did they get new side panels? On the way back, I did get to fly in the BF section which was nice. The seat cushions were very firm. However, everytime I adjusted the seat to recline and go into the lay flat position, my feet would get jammed between the foot rest and the area used for the magazine storage.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8129 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 8):

Just about... AA's first 757 was delivered July 17, 1989. So, in about a month and a half she'll celebrate her 20th birthday. For comparison, the last 757 delivered new to AA was on April 30, 2002.

wish I was to get that one, every time I fly on an AA 757 it looks like 50 miles of rough road!


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8081 times:



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 14):
What is exactly being done to the coach cabins on these birds? I flew DFW-JFK earlier in the month in coach and couldn't tell what was all changed. The seats looked like the ones on the 738s. Did they get new side panels?

New everything, basically. If you've flown on a new 738 (in/out of ORD in the past month), then yes, the new seats on the 757 are the same as the 738. However, the original batch of 738s have different seats (same/similar to MD-80). The coach seat you sat in on the 757 has an articulating seat bottom which is designed to give more comfort/support when reclined. The a/c also received new sidewalls, carpet, lavatories and LCD display screens over aisle, along with digital IFE.

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 14):
However, everytime I adjusted the seat to recline and go into the lay flat position, my feet would get jammed between the foot rest and the area used for the magazine storage.

This is a problem, however, not as bad of one as I had expected. I wear a size 12 shoe and I was surprised my feet fit down there with my shoes on. However, I'm sure if I were wearing clunky shoes they wouldn't have. Unless you have a size 13+ foot, I think it really depends on the shoe more than the size of your feet.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

AA is definitely waiting too long to refurbish its 757s. Being the workhorse it is, the refurbishment should have taken place sooner. AA really gives a bad impression when you compare its 757s to its rivals DL/CO for example. Even UA in FC is way much better...AA is truly hurting its brand with those interiors especially on Transcons and Latin America flights.

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 1):
The domestic CIP (cabin improvement project) has been delayed, but not canceled. The company said it is currently evaluating the project timeline and reassured the project is not dead. No date was given on when to expect the program to begin.

The domestic 757 CIP is supposed to start this fall as soon as the International 757 CIP is finished. Initially the plan was to do both at the same time. However they realized that in order to get the International 757 completed for the routes they were going to have to speed up the process.

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 4):
While the project is substantially behind the original prototype date of October 2008, hopefully the new schedule will have the a/c being completed at a much more brisk pace. While we're delayed now, hopefully the project will be completed within two years of starting, not five.

I don't know how long the domestic CIP is supposed to take once it's started. There won't be much of a learning curve to get over since the people working the project will have experience doing the international CIP. The only real difference between the international and domestic CIP are the first class seats, and the sliding carpet has been removed on the international 757's.


User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7952 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 15):
wish I was to get that one, every time I fly on an AA 757 it looks like 50 miles of rough road!

There is no difference between the first and last 757 delivered. They all have the same seats. The only difference is the sidewalls (that match the 777/737/MD-80) that are on some of the older birds and all the new birds. A quick way to tell is look at the 2L lav, if the wall is the light blue carpet, it's not been refurbed  Smile



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

What is the sliding carpet???

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7839 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 20):
What is the sliding carpet???

It's a baggage loading system used in narrowbody aircraft like the 757. Makes loading and unloading bags a lot easier and faster.


http://www.telair.com/narrowBody_slidingCarpet.html


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

I'm quoting this thread, at the bottom...I don't think it is referring to that kind of "sliding carpet". Look at last paragraph, last sentence.

LMP737 From United States, joined May 2002, 3765 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted Sun May 31 2009 11:19:26 your local time (4 hours 29 minutes 23 secs ago) and read 155 times:




Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 1):
The domestic CIP (cabin improvement project) has been delayed, but not canceled. The company said it is currently evaluating the project timeline and reassured the project is not dead. No date was given on when to expect the program to begin.

The domestic 757 CIP is supposed to start this fall as soon as the International 757 CIP is finished. Initially the plan was to do both at the same time. However they realized that in order to get the International 757 completed for the routes they were going to have to speed up the process.

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 4):
While the project is substantially behind the original prototype date of October 2008, hopefully the new schedule will have the a/c being completed at a much more brisk pace. While we're delayed now, hopefully the project will be completed within two years of starting, not five.

I don't know how long the domestic CIP is supposed to take once it's started. There won't be much of a learning curve to get over since the people working the project will have experience doing the international CIP. The only real difference between the international and domestic CIP are the first class seats, and the sliding carpet has been removed on the international 757's.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

What difference would it have the "sliding carpet" on a Domestic versus Int'l 757 configuration. Isn't the exterior the same?

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2297 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7689 times:



Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 22):
What difference would it have the "sliding carpet" on a Domestic versus Int'l 757 configuration. Isn't the exterior the same?

The sliding carpet LMP737 referred to is, indeed, the baggage loading "system" on the 757. I believe it was removed on the 75L to help reduce the a/c's weight. I could be wrong with the reason, but I do recall reading in the project summary that it would be removed from those a/c.



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25 Soxfan : If my memory serves me correctly, another way to tell is to look at the sidewalls: if they are designed with lots of little brown dashes, the aircraf
26 Qqflyboy : For the record, no domestic 757s have been refurbished yet. 20 757s that were delivered new in 2002-2003 were delivered with the new sidewalls and car
27 Aajfksjubklyn : I wrote AA about their 757's used domestically. They are HORRIBLE. I actually got a resposne from Lauri Curtis complementing my candid approach and t
28 Tommy767 : I flew on two AA 757s this past weekend from MCO-MIA-EWR. They are the pits. If you fly on one of DL's newly configured 757s with PTVs it is seriousl
29 PRAirbus : AA CEO and its gang will rather earn more bonuses than investing on the fleet. It is a shame...they do not care about passengers, all they want is $$$
30 DLMD90 : I have flown more trips than I care to remember on AA's 757s and I could not believe how beat up they were, I also decided to switch all my travel to
31 Ckfred : The 757s were supposed to be refurbished earlier in this decade, since the MD-80s were refurbsihed, and the 767s received the coach seats with the ad
32 MAH4546 : Have you simply not read? AA will be refurbing their entire 757 fleet. Yes, it's taking time, but just like Delta has put off refrubing their unaccep
33 RB211 : AME will gradually revamp the 752's. Right now there is not one aircraft that would even begin to replace it given what it is capable of doing. The 75
34 PRAirbus : Yes, I read. I believe it is taking too long for those birds to look decent; taking a 5+hr flight on an AA 757 is not pleasant (MIA-VVI, MIA-SFO, SJU-
35 N62NA : I don't work in the airline industry, so I'm not sure which is the "right" side and which is the "left" side. Let me try and clarify, though. I belie
36 Commavia : Uh, sorry, but Gerard Arpey's (and all the other senior officers') stock options are in absolutely no way whatsoever related to the 757 refurbishment
37 FlyASAGuy2005 : By the time they are complete, the next round of upgrades and enhancements of their competitors will be beginning... The question is, how long have t
38 MoMan : It's clear that Delta puts a much higher priority on their brand and image than AA. Flying DL vs AA is night vs. day, but as long as AA keeps putting
39 JFKPurser : The lack of attention to the 757 fleet over the last few years in inexcusable. Passengers often are forced to spend 5-6 hours in these filthy, corwded
40 1337Delta764 : DL's 763ERs aren't that bad; DL has at least replaced the old CRTs/projectors with LCDs, and has also done the usual leather seat, cool white lightin
41 MAH4546 : The 757 upgrades have begun, with four converted. LCD TV's, brand-new seats in coach, new sidewalls, etc., etc. It just so happens that the first 18
42 1337Delta764 : DL's entire fleet is getting leather. I much prefer leather to cloth, as it presents a more prestigous image (since when do you see luxury cars with
43 MAH4546 : Since when do you see business or first class seats with full leather? Answer: Rarely. Who cares about prestige over comfort? You don't sit in a luxu
44 FlyASAGuy2005 : Personal opinion. I've flown on both. It's all a matter of how comfortable the seat itself is IMO. I do prefer "fluffy" cloth like that found on UA w
45 MAH4546 : It's not very fair to compare DL's new product versus AA's old product. AA's new 757 slim-line seats are quite comfortable. And, yes, the old 757 sea
46 Skedguy : I couldn't agree more. Take a look at the seats in many of WN's older 733s and 735s, which are adorned with so-called "prestigious" leather and convi
47 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's the answer. "Day to day operation". As someone pointed out. They are much easier to clean. DL also found that the seats are actually lighter t
48 PRAirbus : Funny, I do think leather is better and looks nicer, modern. I have experienced DL longhaul and did not find the leather seats uncomfortable at all. T
49 LDVAviation : With all due respect, you have only yourself to blame. Even without the wage increase you are seeking in current contract negotiations, you are the h
50 N62NA : Actually, I think it is quite fair, since the installation of DL's new product will be complete this year, but the installation of AA's new product w
51 MAH4546 : There is currently no set timeline, and installation will be sped up considerably when economic conditions improve. It is very possible the 757 fleet
52 DeltaL1011man : All Delta aircraft have leather now. It has good and bad sides. Its easy to clean and doesn't smell bad(ever got the seat that smelled like the perso
53 Aajfksjubklyn : According to AA, the interior refurb's on the domestic product will extend out through December 2015. Thats a VERY long time. Thats a lot of customer'
54 ChopperJohnNYC : can't believe this thread is here... just had my first ride in an AA 757 JFK-MIA. wow. dingy. dirty. honestly, sad. even my wife- who could care less-
55 PRAirbus : Sad but true, all said about AA 757s is mostly accurate. A few brand new 738s won't make much of a difference and they are isolated to ORD-West Coast
56 JFKPurser : So, it sounds like what you are saying is that, if AA's unions all agreed to take another pay cut, AA would speed up the 757 refurb schedule. And tha
57 MoMan : I found it amusing that United is looking for an order to replace "aging 757 aircraft" and AA is talking about a 6-year refub cycle for their 757 airc
58 Aajfksjubklyn : Write to them and tell them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
59 Aajfksjubklyn : When details become erroded it only shows that they are pushing their crap product as far as the customers will let it occur...... Like the 757's in g
60 JFKPurser : Aajfksjubklyn -- I agree with everything you are saying. Your frustration is echoed by everyone at AA who serves you. Please excuse us for our inabil
61 Tommy767 : This excuse is getting VERY old. AA has the cash to at least do a slight upgrade of the 757s. They've already lost me to DL. Part of the reason was b
62 LDVAviation : No, what I am saying is that you are overpaid given the industry standard for the kind of work you do. That industry standard was set by Delta and Un
63 JFKPurser : This is even funnier and even more ridiculous than your last post. I won't have the discussion with you or anyone else whose assessment is that I am
64 Commavia : Personally, I think the point he is making is quite a valid one - and you know I'm saying this as someone who very much appreciates the plight of AA'
65 MAH4546 : Actually, no, its not a lot of customers lost. If it was, AA would be quicker to fix the planes. I hate the 757s, and they have definitley not lost m
66 N62NA : Yes, it might be finished by summer 2011. Or, it might be finished several years after that. But a maybe or a might be is a big nothing for those of
67 JFKPurser : Commavia -- I've bantered here with you over this issue on many occasion and I understand that you mean no disrespect and appreciate that you always
68 Commavia : Virtually no money has been spent in this area to date. AA has probably handed over a few million in delivery deposits to Boeing to secure delivery p
69 AA767400 : I find it disrespectful for you to even assume such a thing. Blame the employee for making what he makes? And then use that as an excuse as to why th
70 MAH4546 : There is likely to correlation between wages and aircraft refurbs, but it does not change the fact that AA's unions need to accept reality. I have alw
71 PRAirbus : Anyone recalls that AA 787s order is attached to an agreement w/APA Pilots Union? Add that to BOEING's strike related delays and one can predict that
72 PRAirbus : AA should get a few 739ER's to replace the oldest 757s. Wouldn't the 739ER perform better than the 757 on some markets? Perhaps "thin" Transcons or MI
73 JFKPurser : AA767-400 -- Great post. I agree with it all. Commavia, I should know by now that anything I could ever write would change your mind, or anyone else w
74 AA767400 : It's the unions who continue to hamper things, not the employees. Again, employees just sit idle as the union and the company go at it. The unions ar
75 JFKPurser : You're absolutely right. It's all our fault. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the state of the world economy, the demand for travel, the price of
76 MAH4546 : The unions represent the employees. The employees should not be sitting idle. If they disagree with the union's "demands," then speak up. Otherwise,
77 FuturePilot16 : This might seem like a dumb question, but what exactly is long Haul? Is it just throwing a couple of winglets on them or does it have to do with ETOP
78 FLFlyGuy : By the sounds of some of the posts here, I guess the solution is that any carrier that manages to survive a few years should just throw in the hat and
79 Flavio340 : I hate to say I agree with you but, I do. I think AMR will be trying to get another "B" scale. I know the unions will fight this tooth and nail, but
80 SDQ777 : Since the airlines are so fond of the the 757's, I'm thinking one way to extend the life is to replace the engines (let's say the RR RB211's) with the
81 Post contains images AA767400 : Easier said then done. And again we go back to you blaming the employees. The employees can TRY to overturn the union, but that would take a lot of e
82 MAH4546 : No, I agree that AA management is poor and lacks vision, although I have no problem with their stock option compensations - they are exceutives, that
83 AA767400 : I have no problem with executives getting compensation, as well as shareholders. I never go around saying that they all get bonuses and employees not
84 Flighty : People can "leave" at any time. The fact nobody wants to leave the company suggests they are being paid far higher than market levels. In the real wo
85 Scbriml : This thread has drifted off-topic to become a union discussion. Not much point in continuing.
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