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Air Berlin Looking At E190/Superjet 100  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4971 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-evaluate-large-regional-jets.html

Air Berlin is in early studies for a regional jets seating 100 seats.
They speak about E190 and Superjet100 , but no words about C Series.

Since they have some money in Nicky , probably they will go E190 for fleet communality.

I must say sometimes i am thinking at Air Berlin as a flying musee , with so many types they (and will) operate ! A la SAS !

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Superjet 100!!!!!

I bet my money they are not going to buy them, never ever,

Embraer family is a very nice and already in operation. Emb170-190.

CSeries......................endless story,


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Although I see the Embraer as more likely (unless they can wait for the Cseries), the fact that they have seriously taken a look at the Superjet is very good news for this program, I wonder if there'll be any surprise at Le Bourget this year...

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5195 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4668 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 1):
Superjet 100!!!!!

I bet my money they are not going to buy them, never ever,

Embraer family is a very nice and already in operation. Emb170-190.

CSeries......................endless story,

I bet the Superjet100 with its better economics will win this one.... Air Berlin is a leisure airline, passengers dont care about brands..


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4455 times:

If the Sukhoi SSJ is having better economics then the Embraer, and taking in mind the price to purchase (I imagine the SSJ is cheaper to get then the Embraer), AB might decide to take the Russian beauty. I wonder though how popular the SSJ will be on the secondhand market in a few years. I doubt that many Western operators are willing to take over such aircraft.


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2374 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4435 times:
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My bett is that within the next decade NO western airline will buy and or operate the SuperJet 100. Heck I even will put my money where my mouth is should that ever happen!


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4430 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
I bet the Superjet100 with its better economics will win this one.... Air Berlin is a leisure airline, passengers dont care about brands..

You don't know about the hysteria of the uninformed Joe Sixpack, who is AB's leisure-oriented bread and butter customer, when it comes to aircraft models from "unsafe countries".

There will be no Russian or Chinese regional jet in a German airline fleet for the foreseeable future.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2374 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4403 times:
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Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 4):
If the Sukhoi SSJ is having better economics then the Embraer

IF (sic!!) they are cheaper to fly, wich I doubt .... as soon as it goes to system design, international parts network, maintenance, etc ... I'm sure the costs will be considerably higher than with the established manufacturers.

Few people in the western world drive a Lada for a similar cause!



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
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Interesting that the CRJ1000 is not mentioned as a potential candidate. Air Berlin already has a BBD product, Q400, so that should make it easier to order more from them.

The CRJ1000 will supposedly be more economical than the E190 and three other European airlines have ordered it already, so the maintenance infrastructure will be available soon too.



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User currently offlineAstockla From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

It would be fantastic to see the Superjet in Europe - tbh it doesn't look particularly 'Russian', as long as the signs are in German/English i very much doubt whether there will be any 'brand' issues as the majority of people won't be able to tell!


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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

It could be much better plane, much better economic...........................and all you want

but the public image of Air Berling is prizeless, and unfortunately they are not good for it.

I have flown IL-62, Yak-42, An-24, Il-18 and I´m pilot and I know they are safe enough but not everybody has the same opinion when we talk about Russian airplanes, they have a very bag reputation, so this is the real problem, even some insurance companies do not want to work with them.

Quoting LH526 (Reply 7):
Few people in the western world drive a Lada for a similar cause!

Yes mate  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4264 times:



Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
probably they will go E190 for fleet communality.

The E190 will take this one.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting LH526 (Reply 5):
My bett is that within the next decade NO western airline will buy and or operate the SuperJet 100. Heck I even will put my money where my mouth is should that ever happen!

Well, pay up!  Wink

There are two western companies who have ordered the Sukhoi. Itali Airlines have ordered 10+10 Superjet 100-95's, for EIS 2010 and AMA Group from Switzerland ordered 5 100-95's in a VIP configuration for EIS 2011...

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

The 190 would look great in AB's colours, whats the seating capacity of the Sukhoi aircraft?


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