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Highest Pilot Salary?  
User currently offlineJawed From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 482 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 77876 times:

Out of curiosity, what is the highest annual pilot salary anyone has encountered? And at which airline, and what aircraft type, and experience level?

For example, I read that a 10-year pilot at UPS on a 747 earns over $200k. Is there anything higher?

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User currently offlineARMEDnPISSED From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 77879 times:

I heard UPS pays their pilots based on seniority, not on what aircraft they fly.

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1982 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 77443 times:

Check out the "A" Scale at CX. Those drivers get paid very well. They also get a nice living allowance.

Alot of pilots who work on the bigger private jets also get paid quite nicely.

If you are doing this for your own good - wanting to work somewhere that has the best pay, I would be more concerned about the first few years. Some companies start you off at 37K and after two years you finally start to see ok money, while their top end might be good the bottom end is a hard pill to swallow. Others might not have as high of a top end - but their low end is alot higher, and that can make life alot easier on you.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3522 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 77246 times:

Back in the 90s, senior widebody (777, 747, 767, etc ...) captains at any of the majors could easily top 300k per year, approaching 400k with overtime and stuff like that. Now, the most you'll see a passenger captain make is just over 200k. Freight pays slightly higher - more than 250k approaching 300k for flying a lot more than the standard 90 hours a month.

Now, about the only carriers to pay 300k on a consistent basis are gov't owned Asian and Middle Eastern Airlines.



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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 77247 times:

Sadly, it is not my salary flying....


What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7189 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 77224 times:
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Quoting Planespotting (Reply 3):
Freight pays slightly higher - more than 250k approaching 300k for flying a lot more than the standard 90 hours a month.

With the current state of the economy, cargo airlines have cut back on guaranteed hours as well as total flights. It's very unlikely to see any commercial pilot making over $300k/yr right now.


User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 77043 times:



Quoting SLUAviator (Reply 4):
Sadly, it is not my salary flying....

I think many pilots can relate.
 Sad



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 76942 times:



Quoting ARMEDnPISSED (Reply 1):
I heard UPS pays their pilots based on seniority, not on what aircraft they fly.

Somewhat true, they are paid based off years at the company and seat on the aircraft, its just divided into ALL CAPTAIN, ALL F/O, ALL S/O



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 76869 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2):
Check out the "A" Scale at CX. Those drivers get paid very well.

When there was the 777 flyover incident in Seattle, there was mention (ableit on a tabloidy news show) of the pilot losing his quarter million dollar a year job.

My guess is that the Asian and Middle Eastern airlines pay the best overall. It may be a bit difficult to quantify because I think that they give expat pilots in particular other perks like appartments and chauffered cars.



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 76665 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2):
Check out the "A" Scale at CX. Those drivers get paid very well. They also get a nice living allowance.

Few years back i read somewhere in a magazine that a CX Captain can make up to 600.000 Euro per years - don't know if this is/was true.

georg


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 76619 times:



Quoting Planespotting (Reply 3):
Back in the 90s, senior widebody (777, 747, 767, etc ...) captains at any of the majors could easily top 300k per year, approaching 400k with overtime and stuff like that.

 checkmark  When Delta's contract was renegotiated in the late 90s at one point, their most senior T7 captains topped out in the rang of 300,000 and more. If i'm not mistaken, they were they highest paid in the industry (U.S.) during that time.

Now, I believe WN pays their captains the most.



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 76328 times:

IIRC Before all the rate cuts that have happened post-9/11, I think the highest US airline rate was DL 777-200 Captains $242 per hour with a guarantee of 72 hours a month. So that was minimum 206K a year not counting per diem and other benefits.


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User currently offlineF35 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 76068 times:

Whats the Pay scale averages in the us on passenger airlines...ie delta, continental, united, american, jetblue, southwest, shuttle america, comair, others...and who pays the best(guess is delta)

cr2
cr7/9
e170
e190
b737
a320
b757
a300
b767
b777
b747
? thanks


User currently offline8146659 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 75823 times:

If you go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and click airlines....it will give you all the US flight hour scales...this does not include duty rigs, vacation etc...just the pay per flight hour.

User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 75586 times:

IIRC, Parade magaizine in the Sunday paper, listed Sully's salary at $100K, when they did their annual What They Earn feature not too long ago. Can anyone confer?

User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 74979 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2):
Alot of pilots who work on the bigger private jets also get paid quite nicely.

Going rate for a Gulfstream 550 captain was over $140k (before the market crash last fall)

Hours are great, but schedule is hell (many guys are "on call" except for a few weeks of vacation every year - just like most corporate jobs!)



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 74914 times:



Quoting L1011buff (Reply 14):
IIRC, Parade magaizine in the Sunday paper, listed Sully's salary at $100K, when they did their annual What They Earn feature not too long ago. Can anyone confer?

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4328465

An interesting thread to say the least...



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User currently offlineBzwebner From United States of America, joined May 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 74453 times:



Quoting Q120 (Reply 6):
I think many pilots can relate.



I definitly do  Sad



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User currently offlineRoyalAirMaroc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 74344 times:

BA top payscale is £144,439 plus £11 per flying hour and £3 per duty hour.
VS top payscale is £105,098 plus £28 per flying hour and £9 per duty hour.

Source: http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/

Contains factfiles for all Major Worldwide Carriers.

[Edited 2009-05-29 14:38:20]


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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 72081 times:

I hate these types of discussions. There's an understandable curiosity factor, but they always focus on the few top-tier, highest seniority pilots at a given airline. What about the * rest * of the ranks, most of whom earn respectable, but blue-collar salaries.

Not to mention pilots at the lowest ends of the seniority roster, or regional pilots, who don't make even that.


PS



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 71843 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 19):
Not to mention pilots at the lowest ends of the seniority roster, or regional pilots, who don't make even that.

There is an entire thread devoted to just that. Plus, if one compared the total number of posts about the highest paid pilots versus those lamenting the pay and conditions of the "rest of the ranks" and regional pilots I bet you would find that the latter category dwarfs the former.



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1982 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 71751 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Plus, if one compared the total number of posts about the highest paid pilots versus those lamenting the pay and conditions of the "rest of the ranks" and regional pilots I bet you would find that the latter category dwarfs the former.

Check again! Though I think the lowest one started off last.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3187 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 71713 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
If i'm not mistaken, they were they highest paid in the industry (U.S.) during that time.

They were not.

UA 747-400 captains were the highest paid, pushing $350 per hour. That why when their pay was cut to the current $180 per hour, it was literally a 50% pay cut.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 10):
Now, I believe WN pays their captains the most.

On the relative scale for the 737, this is true. AA, DL, and CO 737 captains make less. On an overall scale though, top out pay on widebodies at the legacies is higher than WN captain top out pay.

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 11):
I think the highest US airline rate was DL 777-200 Captains $242 per hour with a guarantee of 72 hours a month.

Not even close  Silly

NW has always had what was quite the mid-range pay scale, never as high as UA used to be but again never as low as US. That having been said, in the year 2000, NW 747-400 captain cap out pay was $272 per hour. It since went down to $177 after the 2005 bankruptcy. It's now back up to $209 or something like that, under the new NW/DL joint contract.

For what it's worth too, AA and UA were, at one time, the typically highest-paid crews while NW, DL, and CO were more mid-range pay scales.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 71611 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 22):

Thanks for the info! I assume US and other LLCs were pretty much always on the lower end.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 71318 times:

I heard that a certain agricultural company headquartered in Moline, IL (hint  Wink) started their pilots on the C750 and C680 at right around $95,000. Granted, minimums right now (if they're even hiring) are 3,000 total time, but still not a bad base salary. I don't know how much the Gulfstream guys and gals get paid, though.

25 Post contains links TwoRock : Payscales http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines.html
26 CCA : The last A scalers were hired in 89, their pay has since been frozen, no adjustments for inflation since then and just recently if they want to stay
27 Planespotting : Come on PS - these discussions are crummy on, say, a newspaper comment board - but on here, with all of us learned airline folks, we know the pilot p
28 BMI727 : I was talking overall. Remember that huge one about Sully's paycheck? And the subject comes up time and time again. We are all well aware of the plig
29 413X3 : and i seriously doubt the pilots who fly for said airline in Moline actually live there
30 Bobs89irocz : I sure could use better pay. I hate how my town of 8,000 people pays there first year police officers more then me. Heck im sure my dispatcher and scr
31 BMI727 : That is what I figured, but I wasn't sure. It is certainly a nice place to grow up. Farmers are taking it on the chin this year though.
32 413X3 : not if you are growing corn!
33 BMI727 : It's been too rainy. Most guys are still getting their corn in and it's almost June. Usually they are done by mid May.
34 Lowrider : Also to often we hear that the the people who have made it to the big salaries don't deserve it either. The whole "paying your dues" concept is the v
35 Acey559 : I guess it depends on what 'close' means. I know a couple live on the Iowa side, and one lives out in the country about 30 minutes away from the airp
36 Planespotting : Didn't they downsize tremendously like, 5 years ago though? I know a few ex-UD instructors work there now (or at least one does ... or did ... or som
37 Lowrider : I have unsuccessfully tried there a few times in the past, but don't have any connections. Good corp gigs like that are hard to find. If you can get
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : I've found that it's who you know in regards to that side of the business. This is the case with some legacies as well. It helps if you know the guy
39 Acey559 : They had a Gulfstream a while ago and got rid of it, but picked up another one two years ago and are rumored to be getting another one after their ne
40 Planespotting : Did he used to fly Int'l Ops for Caterpillar too? If so, I think I met him randomly at Atlantic Aviation @ MDW back in 2004.
41 Acey559 : I dunno. If I remember correctly he went straight from HON to Deere, but I could be wrong since it was about two years ago when I first met him.
42 WNCrew : I often hear people say (as it relates to FA's who maybe aren't happy after severe pay-cuts and work-rule changes, lower staffing etc) that they "shou
43 Lowrider : They do.
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