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Southwest Now Boarding Pets, And Some Fees!  
User currently offlineBlueWingWalker From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Southwest will now allow pets (up to 5 in the cabin) for a fee of $75 each way. They're also adding an Unaccompanied Minor fee ($25 each way) as well as up it's 3rd bag fee from $25 to $50.

I just find it somewhat interesting that they just ran that whole "no fees" campaign, only to start adding them now... The new fees are affective June 1, for flights beginning June 17th, 2009

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[Edited 2009-05-29 04:01:06]


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13273 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7304 times:
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Quoting BlueWingWalker (Thread starter):
I just find it somewhat interesting that they just ran that whole "no fees" campaign, only to start adding them now...

And this is only the beginning. Eventually WN will get around to adding more fees as they realize fare increases will kill demand and fees are the only revenue-generating lever they have left to pull.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7281 times:



Quoting BlueWingWalker (Thread starter):
I just find it somewhat interesting that they just ran that whole "no fees" campaign, only to start adding them now... The new fees are affective June 1, for flights beginning June 17th, 2009

Smoke and mirrors. It's what they do best. They figure the person who is doesn't have a pet, or is sending a minor on a trip or needs to check a 3rd bag will care. Which will be the vast majority.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7242 times:



Quoting BlueWingWalker (Thread starter):
I just find it somewhat interesting that they just ran that whole "no fees" campaign, only to start adding them now... The new fees are affective June 1, for flights beginning June 17th, 2009

Wasn't that actually "No hidden fees?" In any event, and just MHO here, but I think it's called "context", as in your taking it out of.

If SWA were starting to charge fees for anything/everything that we theoretically could charge everybody fees for (which we're NOT doing, but that many other airlines are), I'd say that you have a valid point, but we're not doing that. Our charging/changing fees for new/existing items that apply to only a select few versus fees that apply to the "standard" services that everybody uses is a far cry from the "across the board fees that everyone must pay" that you seem to be inferring.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
And this is only the beginning. Eventually WN will get around to adding more fees as they realize fare increases will kill demand and fees are the only revenue-generating lever they have left to pull.

Only time will tell if that actually becomes the case; you'll just have to wait and see what happens, as will we all.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
Smoke and mirrors. It's what they do best. They figure the person who is doesn't have a pet, or is sending a minor on a trip or needs to check a 3rd bag will care. Which will be the vast majority.

Yes indeed, this isn't the institution of new fees that forces everyone to pay for the "standard" items, just specialized fees for specialized situations that not "everyone" wil be using.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7219 times:

As long as they don't add 1st/2nd bag fee's i'm ok with these charges. Considering that almost all US legacies charge 15 for the 1st, 25 for the 2nd and 100 for the 3rd+, Southwest is still an incredible deal(free snacks, free bags, no change fee(100-200 at other airlines), etc). The pet fee does seem kind of steep though, $50 would be more reasonable. The UM fee is reasonable as well.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 7180 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 4):
The pet fee does seem kind of steep though, $50 would be more reasonable. The UM fee is reasonable as well.

It's about the same at other airlines that have cabin pets as well. Of course, in the case of cabin pets, it's not a hidden fee. As long as the passenger declares the pet---and I'm hoping that any person taking a pet would---when booking their ticket, the fees are stated outright, and included into the cost of the ticket at booking.

Of course, though, Southwest DOES have hidden fees, but they are fees that are tacked on when you purchase the ticket, and are general paid for with any ticket bought on any airline. These being airport fees, security fees, etc.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 7164 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Of course, though, Southwest DOES have hidden fees, but they are fees that are tacked on when you purchase the ticket, and are general paid for with any ticket bought on any airline. These being airport fees, security fees, etc.

Not to split hairs, but those are not SWA's fees per se, but fees imposed by other entities that SWA (or any other airline for that matter) collects on behalf on those other entities.


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 7138 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Not to split hairs, but those are not SWA's fees per se, but fees imposed by other entities that SWA (or any other airline for that matter) collects on behalf on those other entities.

Which is why I mentioned that they are paid regardless of who you purchase the ticket on, and I place no blame on any airline. It's something that can't be helped, but is always a shock when you see the final price.

When I took my vacation last month, the hotel was a good price, but after the taxes and $5 reservation fee, it was close to 150% the original quoted price. (And then came the mandatory $10 fee for "free internet" when I checked in, but that's another story.)



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 7069 times:

Did WN allow pets in the cabin before? If not, than it is technically not a new 'fee,' but rather a new service that happens to not be free.

User currently offlineSWABrian From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 6971 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 8):
Did WN allow pets in the cabin before? If not, than it is technically not a new 'fee,' but rather a new service that happens to not be free.

You are right, this is the first time that we have allowed animals in the cabin, so it is a new service.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

I'm glad they're finally charging a UM fee... coming from another airline I can say we do alot for our UM's and I was hoping we'd someday charge some sort of fee. It's a big responsibility, especially when we have 4-6 of them onboard.

As for pets onboard, I'm NOT happy about it. As if our cabins weren't dirty enough. They get no TLC throughout the day and we get NO time to clean them between turns. This is going to be gross.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 6860 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Wasn't that actually "No hidden fees?"

Well, to me, this is strange, because none of the legacies' fees were "hidden" either, as WN seems to claim. Everything was well advertised and certainly it made all the news. What is the difference with what WN is doing with its 3rd bag fee than what the legacies are doing? If WN's isn't hidden, then certainly no one else's is, either.



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User currently offlineIgneousRocks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 6801 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):
Well, to me, this is strange, because none of the legacies' fees were "hidden" either, as WN seems to claim.

Strictly speaking, it really never had anything to do with 'hidden fees' and more to do with SWA having a great advertising agency that exploited the terminology to their advantage. What works better with the flying public: "We Have Fewer Fees" or "No Hidden Fees".

However, the legacy carriers initially were being cagey about the whole issue of additional fees being charged. SWA played up that notion to their advantage.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 6771 times:



Quoting IgneousRocks (Reply 12):
Strictly speaking, it really never had anything to do with 'hidden fees' and more to do with SWA having a great advertising agency that exploited the terminology to their advantage. What works better with the flying public: "We Have Fewer Fees" or "No Hidden Fees".

However, the legacy carriers initially were being cagey about the whole issue of additional fees being charged. SWA played up that notion to their advantage.

So, what it comes down to is who has the better liars working for them, right?  Wink



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User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 6694 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):
Well, to me, this is strange, because none of the legacies' fees were "hidden" either, as WN seems to claim. Everything was well advertised and certainly it made all the news. What is the difference with what WN is doing with its 3rd bag fee than what the legacies are doing? If WN's isn't hidden, then certainly no one else's is, either.

Please read below...

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Wasn't that actually "No hidden fees?" In any event, and just MHO here, but I think it's called "context", as in your taking it out of.

If SWA were starting to charge fees for anything/everything that we theoretically could charge everybody fees for (which we're NOT doing, but that many other airlines are), I'd say that you have a valid point, but we're not doing that. Our charging/changing fees for new/existing items that apply to only a select few versus fees that apply to the "standard" services that everybody uses is a far cry from the "across the board fees that everyone must pay" that you seem to be inferring.



User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 6545 times:



Quoting Aviatortj (Reply 14):

And this is supposed to clarify it?? I don't think so. No matter what the fees are and who they apply to, if they aren't hidden on WN, then they aren't hidden on any other airline.



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User currently offlineSteveswa737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 154 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

I believe we've stayed true to our "No Hidden Fees" campaign. $25 for a UM is a reasonable charge that most people expect to pay for. Most customers were more surprised that it was free for so many years. The increase in the 3rd/overweight bag is also well below the industry average.

Gary Kelley has said many times that we will not charge for amenities that a Customer would “expect” to get for free. For example, free soft drinks and snacks, free 1st and 2nd checked bag, no change fee, no charge to make your reservation over the phone, etc....

However, that being said, there are amenities that Customers are willing to pay extra for. The success of "Business Select" has proven that to be true. Wi-fi onboard is also something customers are willing to pay for, which is why we are testing this service.

This is just the beginning of additional initiatives planned for later this year. My personal wish list: Charge for Pillows and Blankets. I don't know about you... but if I wanted a pillow and blanket, I would be willing to pay $5 for one that's "cootie free". I don't know how we got away with re-using them for so long. Gross!

Also, since I am 6'4, I would like to see something similar to JetbBlue's EML product. They have the right idea. There are people out there (me) who would be willing to pay more for extra legroom. I know this one's a long shot but would luv to see it somewhere down the road.  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6485 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 10):
As for pets onboard, I'm NOT happy about it. As if our cabins weren't dirty enough. They get no TLC throughout the day and we get NO time to clean them between turns. This is going to be gross.

Pets stay in their crate and very rarely are even noticed by the passengers sitting next to them. They do not "dirty" up the airplane.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6429 times:



Quoting Steveswa737 (Reply 16):
Gary Kelley has said many times that we will not charge for amenities that a Customer would “expect” to get for free. For example, free soft drinks and snacks, free 1st and 2nd checked bag, no change fee, no charge to make your reservation over the phone, etc....

While I don't think that Mr. Kelley is deliberately being sneaky, I might argue that today, some customers do expect to pay for things like the first and second bag and changing a reservation that just about everyone else now charges for.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6394 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18):
I might argue that today, some customers do expect to pay for things like the first and second bag and changing a reservation that just about everyone else now charges for.

Conversely, it could also be argued that some (most?) Customers don't expect to pay for things like the first and second bag and changing a reservation that just about everyone else now charges for, i.e. just like the way things used to be within the industry, but still are at SWA.

Personally, I suspect there are more folks not expecting to pay fees for what used to be free than there are folks willing to pay them...


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6394 times:



Quoting Steveswa737 (Reply 16):
For example, free soft drinks and snacks

How many legacies actually charge for soft drinks, snacks, or, for that matter, meals, now? Is it the norm or the exception if they do?



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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6378 times:



Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 17):
Pets stay in their crate and very rarely are even noticed by the passengers sitting next to them. They do not "dirty" up the airplane.

Yes and pax stay seated when the seat-belt sign is lit, they turn off their phones the first time they're asked to do so, pax bags fit neatly in the overhead bins,... you catch my drift? I have worked at airlines where these animals were out and about. Once people know they can bring animals onboard now EVERYONE will have an emotional support pet and those do not have to be in cages and they do dirty the cabin. Its a whole new can of worms.



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6352 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 5):
Southwest DOES have hidden fees, but they are fees that are tacked on when you purchase the ticket, and are general paid for with any ticket bought on any airline. These being airport fees, security fees, etc.

I'd hardly call these "hidden fees". I priced a trip out AUS-BWI. It TELLS me:

AUS-BWI Base Fare: $129.30
BWI-AUS Base Fare: $144.19
Round Trip Total: $273.49
US Taxes: $34.91 ($308.40)
PFC: $9.00 ($317.40)
Security Fee: $5.00 ($322.40)
FINAL TOTAL: $322.40

A little simple math shows there are NO HIDDEN fees.



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6345 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 21):
Its a whole new can of worms.

And you didn't even get to mentioning allergies....



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9978 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 6335 times:



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 21):
Yes and pax stay seated when the seat-belt sign is lit, they turn off their phones the first time they're asked to do so, pax bags fit neatly in the overhead bins,... you catch my drift? I have worked at airlines where these animals were out and about. Once people know they can bring animals onboard now EVERYONE will have an emotional support pet and those do not have to be in cages and they do dirty the cabin. Its a whole new can of worms.

I agree. I've seen it on DL and I just KNEW when DL started allowing pets in the cabin, that it would be problematic.



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25 Luv08 : Some of you people drive me nuts...LOL! You want everything free. They up a 3rd bag fee 25 dollars, and OH NO!!!! Customers shouldn't even be allowed
26 Goldenshield : Did you even bother to read my reasoning in reply 7? It's the fact that they are HIDDEN from you until you go for the FINAL price. You don't see them
27 SeeTheWorld : For someone who works for an airline that never allowed pets, you sure seem to have a lot of experience. I have taken my dog on over 150 in-cabin fli
28 Smcmac32msn : Its STILL not a HIDDEN fee... Its a common fact for everyone flying that airlines that you are going to pay taxes and security fees. A hidden fee wou
29 CV880 : Hey now, wait a minute here. The airlines have no choice in acceptance of ADA Pets in the cabin. They either accept them or face a lawsuit. On the ot
30 Mayor : If you go to the store, you ALREADY know that you'll have to pay taxes on your purchase.
31 Smcmac32msn : Just like when you buy a plane ticket and see a $99 fare..... you KNOW you won't be paying JUST $99 for that fare. Thank you for agreeing with me the
32 Goldenshield : Except if you are from Delaware, Hawaii,New Hampshire, New Mexico, or Oregon.
33 Mayor : I'm not sure how it looks online with the other legacies as DL is the only ones I've looked at, but Delta.com shows the fair PLUS any fees or taxes d
34 Smcmac32msn : Just checked AA.com and they do the same as WN in that they give you taxes/fees after you've selected your prices. The difference is they just clump
35 EA CO AS : First off, it's the ACAA - the Air Carrier Access Act - the ADA doesn't apply to airlines. Secondly, WN already permitted service animals in the cabi
36 Cubsrule : That's a fair point. Expectations change, though. Today, I think it's fair to say that most customers do not expect a hot meal in Y on a 2 hour fligh
37 BlueWingWalker : In all fairness, since I started this post, I thought I would also point out that my airline is also increasing some fees. Liqour goes up a buck to $6
38 AWACSooner : Well if you're military like me and are going TDY (or deployed) and traveling commercial, then you often need to check in three bags...considering we
39 Chrisair : I'm 6'3 and I have no problem with WN in row 2, row 12 or row 22. I hope they don't do that because I fear it will be like UA's E+ section which is f
40 KaiGywer : I believe most military travel is exempt from bag fees anyways
41 OPNLguy : Exchange MAY for WILL and I'd readily agree. Nobody (least of all neither you nor I) can predict the future. (If I could with any accuracy, I'd be sp
42 CanyonBlue17 : This is a very good point.....if the ADA applied, I believe aircraft bathrooms would have to be large enough to accommodate a wheelchair as would the
43 Post contains links Mariner : People can sneer at the so-called "hidden fees" - also known as ancillary revenue - but they sure help Allegiant's stellar profits: http://www.centref
44 Steveswa737 : Last time I flew AA they were charging for a snack box and US tried charging for sodas for a short period of time. Last year UA tried charging for sn
45 Cubsrule : Isn't it reasonable, though, to expect those carriers that do have change and bag fees to keep them?
46 Mayor : If you use my example of DL above, it applies to them, also. Those figures were taken just by asking for a schedule for a certain city pair.....and i
47 EA CO AS : Here's the most recent revision to that part of the ACAA, 14 CFR 382: (e) If a passenger seeks to travel with an animal that is used as an emotional
48 CV880 : I never said otherwise if You read the text. You try enforcing it, and writing the subsequent reports.
49 FlyingSicilian : Channel 13 KTRK in Houston just did a bit on the new WN fees. It was not a positive segment for WN. Not the best piece of journalism but what people a
50 EA CO AS : Each station is required by law to have a designated Complaint Resolution Official available during all operating hours to review ACAA situations jus
51 Toltommy : Not to split hairs, but travellers on the legacy carriers CAN travel without paying the fees. Don't check a bag, its that simple. OTOH, are they real
52 Canyonblue17 : We did receive the recently updated CFR regarding service and emotional support animal travel in the cabin. Enforcing it can be challenging. Pax often
53 EA CO AS : As I understand it, the key phrase in the paragraph is "traveler's space" - meaning they can place the kennel under the seat in front of them, but no
54 Wnbob : After the first Quarter loss EVER, I think they had no choice. Frankly I don't think the No-Hidden-Fee campaign worked that well. I still bump into pp
55 PHLJJS : It's funny that you brought that up. The other day I was standing in line for coffee in PHL and two US passengers in line behind me were talking abou
56 EA CO AS : Having heard the basics of their tentative agreement for a new CBA with their Res agents/Customer Service Agents, "Low-Cost" won't be words you'd use
57 Gonnagetbumpy : Holy Cow! That's crazy! I bet they will be kicking themselves in the pants for that one. How can they do that? Also, I think SWA's no hidden fee mark
58 FrmrCAPCADET : The most important thing in reducing hassle is no fee for the first bag. Some of us said that it would create chaos with carryons. It did. Son mention
59 Mayor : I think what bothers some people about WN is the fact that they keep calling them "hidden" fees, when they are all out there for anyone to see, before
60 Flyabr : for those of you dogging LUV for those recent fee introductions...i suggest you compare what it cost to change an existing ticket on LUV vs those othe
61 Mariner : Okay, but I'm not sure what value Southwest is getting out of that - or Southwest shareholders. Based on available traffic figures, there isn't any m
62 Post contains images Luv2cattlecall : I can't think of a single person who goes to a grocery store to buy an item, but walks away empty-handed because of an "unexpected" sales tax... WN d
63 0NEWAIR0 : " target=_blank>http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.ph...ef=nf Gary Kelly was very clear on the fact they were open to adding fees like all of the othe
64 Mariner : Quite a lot of that has to do with the big cuts in capacity that other airlines have made. Load factors are fairly static across the board. It's thei
65 GALLEYSTEW : I work for a LEGACY......and I love SOUTHWEST. However, they are not so "new" anymore, and are getting the LEGACY "costs" of other carriers. Never say
66 EA CO AS : Emphasis added.. IIRC, some states have bans on their importation. They're considered in the same classification as rodents, basically.
67 FlyABR : there is inherent value in not ticking off your current customers with increasingly irritating fees. southwest may eventually go the same route of th
68 Mariner : That may be true, but I was talking about shareholders and no one has explained to me what the inherent financial value of that is - to shareholders,
69 Goingboeing : You might read it...maybe...I would imagine about as many people read that as read the "terms and conditions" of the fare. There may be some verbiage
70 Wnbob : Because fees may drive out business more than bring revenue in. Net negative. The same question that applies, if airlines are losing money, why don't
71 ADent : So does WN allow animals in the hold? Which major US airlines do?
72 Post contains links Mariner : But there is no evidence of that. From the Wall Street Journal: http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009...fees-creeping-up-now-at-southwest/ WSJ: "South
73 EA CO AS : Which is also what caused AS to finally give in to charging a first bag fee - there was no shift of revenue from fee-charging competitors to AS, and
74 Flyabr : and name one airline stock that has done well over the past few years or so...whether they (airlines) charge those stupid fees or not hasn't helped t
75 Mariner : Allegiant. And they jumped on the "fees" bandwagon before anyone else (in the US). mariner
76 FlyABR : guess i should have been more specific...name a "real" airline who's stock price reflects the positive effect of usery fees...
77 Mariner : What is not real about Allegiant? It's a different model, but maybe a few more airlines should be re-examining their model. And since I'm defending s
78 EA CO AS : Mariner beat me to the punch. One thing you fail to realize is that most LUV shareholders have been holding this stock for a long time and are used t
79 FlyABR : okay, uncle guys. it's obvious that you think LUV should follow it's competitors in pissing off everybody just so they can please stock holders and lo
80 Ytib : So Allegiant as a full FAR 121 carrier is not a real airline. How else would you like to spin or restrict this to meet the conditions you would like
81 FlyABR : relax...did u not see the BIG GRIN after the statement?[Edited 2009-06-02 09:03:07]
82 EA CO AS : But they're not, as this whole thread implies. They've begun down the path of realizing ancillary revenues - even limited ones - are worthwhile for t
83 Boeing747_600 : I have a 110 lb shepherd-retriever mix. He is better-behaved than the average human being. If I buy him a seat, will they let him sit next to me on a
84 BlueWingWalker : Nope... your 110lb dog needs to fit in a pet carrier, under the seat in front of you.
85 Dsuairptman : Nothing to really write home about here. We're talking about above and beyond special services. Pets might as well be charged, they would be charged
86 FlyABR : they may well do exactly what you suggest, but for now they've resisted implementing the fees that are the most customer unfriendly. and i hope they
87 Mayor : And INDIRECTLY turning off their customers is, somehow, better? I still don't believe that WN accepts animals as checked baggage nor as cargo.
88 Wnbob : Warren Buffett said in in 2002 he wouldn't invest in ANY airline. And Robert Crandall said pretty much the same recently. These days any Joe&Harriet
89 Mariner : But a few airlines are making money, and not just Allegiant. mariner
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