Flaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 253 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
I was wondering if any other airlines besides CO and DL operate the 764. It is a marvelous aircraft but it seems that it just did not appeal to many other airlines. Would this variant of the 767 be considered a failure based on the number of orders and is it still in production?
Runway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 40 Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4660 times:
Yes CO & DL are the only operators. Kenya Airways had ordered it too but switched to 777-200s.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2465 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4642 times:
Yes, they are the only operators. A single airframe sat for a long time that was ordered as a possible military version. It was built, and recently sold to someone, but I'm not sure who it was. A total of 38 copies were built. From a financial standpoint it was probably a failure for Boeing, but for CO and DL, they seem to love the plane.
You can still order the -400 if you wanted to, as the 767 line is still open.
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6506 posts, RR: 11 Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4614 times:
Quoting HAL (Reply 2): A total of 38 copies were built. From a financial standpoint it was probably a failure for Boeing,
Opening up a can of worms . But you're right in the sense that we'll never really know. "probably" is the best way to put it. I'm sure others will have different feelings for each extreme.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21458 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4582 times:
Quoting HAL (Reply 2): A single airframe sat for a long time that was ordered as a possible military version. It was built, and recently sold to someone, but I'm not sure who it was.
This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program until that project was cancelled in 2007, As mentioned in the caption of the 2nd photo, it's apparently been sold to the Bahrain government for conversion to a VIP aircraft..
Seemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 955 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4563 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program until that project was cancelled in 2007, As mentioned in the caption of the 2nd photo, it's apparently been sold to the Bahrain government for conversion to a VIP aircraft..
Ah! This is the aircraft I meant.
I have to say, out of all the B767's the -400 is my favourite.
AWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4522 times:
As much as the E-10 would've put me out of a job, I would have LOVED to have seen it.
SeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4516 times:
Unfortunately, the A332 is a much more capable aircraft, with more usable payload, more range, and dual-LD3-capable holds.
The 764 is very slightly cheaper on a trip cost basis but not, apparently, nearly enough so to make up the difference in capability. The 764 was considered by many airlines and lost out to the A332 (or, in one case, the 777-200ER) every time.
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Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9157 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4482 times:
Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 8): Unfortunately, the A332 is a much more capable aircraft, with more usable payload, more range, and dual-LD3-capable holds.
The 764 is capable of handling pallets in the front bin, though.
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CAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4135 times:
It's a niche which has yet to be fully utilized by + 2 carriers..!
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Phllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3522 times:
Boeing developed the 767-400 specifically for DL and CO as a replacement for the L-1011 and DC-10 respectively.
Flaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
Quoting Phllax (Reply 11): Boeing developed the 767-400 specifically for DL and CO as a replacement for the L-1011 and DC-10 respectively.
Interesting. I wonder how many firm orders were in place for these aircraft before production started. It seems odd that Boeing would develop an aircraft with not much commitment from other airlines.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6506 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
DL and CO were the only definates and Boeing knew that. As Runway 23 said, Kenya was another with an order but them converted them to 777s. I'm sure they would have welcomed orders from other airlines, such as NW or AA but they had already committed to the T7 and A330 respectively.
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Antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3439 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21458 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3350 times:
Quoting Antonovman (Reply 14): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program
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. But you're right in the sense that we'll never really know. "probably" is the best way to put it. I'm sure others will have different feelings for each extreme.
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