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Are DL And CO The Only Operators Of The 767-400?  
User currently offlineFlaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 288 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

I was wondering if any other airlines besides CO and DL operate the 764. It is a marvelous aircraft but it seems that it just did not appeal to many other airlines. Would this variant of the 767 be considered a failure based on the number of orders and is it still in production?


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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Yes CO & DL are the only operators. Kenya Airways had ordered it too but switched to 777-200s.

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Yes, they are the only operators. A single airframe sat for a long time that was ordered as a possible military version. It was built, and recently sold to someone, but I'm not sure who it was. A total of 38 copies were built. From a financial standpoint it was probably a failure for Boeing, but for CO and DL, they seem to love the plane.

You can still order the -400 if you wanted to, as the 767 line is still open.

HAL



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 970 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

Wasn't there a private firm which ordered a B764? I remeber seeing pictures of an all white machine.

Runway23; I had no idea KQ ordered thr B764! Would look very good in their livery.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6740 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 2):
A total of 38 copies were built. From a financial standpoint it was probably a failure for Boeing,

Opening up a can of worms  Smile . But you're right in the sense that we'll never really know. "probably" is the best way to put it. I'm sure others will have different feelings for each extreme.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6708 times:



Quoting HAL (Reply 2):
A single airframe sat for a long time that was ordered as a possible military version. It was built, and recently sold to someone, but I'm not sure who it was.

This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program until that project was cancelled in 2007, As mentioned in the caption of the 2nd photo, it's apparently been sold to the Bahrain government for conversion to a VIP aircraft..


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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 970 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6689 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program until that project was cancelled in 2007, As mentioned in the caption of the 2nd photo, it's apparently been sold to the Bahrain government for conversion to a VIP aircraft..

Ah! This is the aircraft I meant.

I have to say, out of all the B767's the -400 is my favourite.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1934 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

As much as the E-10 would've put me out of a job, I would have LOVED to have seen it.

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Unfortunately, the A332 is a much more capable aircraft, with more usable payload, more range, and dual-LD3-capable holds.

The 764 is very slightly cheaper on a trip cost basis but not, apparently, nearly enough so to make up the difference in capability. The 764 was considered by many airlines and lost out to the A332 (or, in one case, the 777-200ER) every time.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6608 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 8):
Unfortunately, the A332 is a much more capable aircraft, with more usable payload, more range, and dual-LD3-capable holds.

The 764 is capable of handling pallets in the front bin, though.



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User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

It's a niche which has yet to be fully utilized by + 2 carriers..!


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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5648 times:

Boeing developed the 767-400 specifically for DL and CO as a replacement for the L-1011 and DC-10 respectively.

User currently offlineFlaps30 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5618 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 11):
Boeing developed the 767-400 specifically for DL and CO as a replacement for the L-1011 and DC-10 respectively.

Interesting. I wonder how many firm orders were in place for these aircraft before production started. It seems odd that Boeing would develop an aircraft with not much commitment from other airlines.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5566 times:



Quoting Flaps30 (Reply 12):

DL and CO were the only definates and Boeing knew that. As Runway 23 said, Kenya was another with an order but them converted them to 777s. I'm sure they would have welcomed orders from other airlines, such as NW or AA but they had already committed to the T7 and A330 respectively.



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User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5565 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program

Dont you mean 767 - 400 ?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5476 times:



Quoting Antonovman (Reply 14):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
This was the single 747-400 airframe that was to serve as the prototype for the USAF E-10 program

Dont you mean 767 - 400 ?

Correct.


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