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Taag Angola Passes Iata Inspection  
User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

For those interested, TAAG has passed the IATA inspection which is great news for DT. It's nice to see something positive happening to this airline. They still have to pass an inspection from the EU, which is due to occur on 08Jun09 in order to return to LIS and CDG with their own metal.

http://www.portalangop.co.ao/motix/e...4-c4b5-411a-a51c-bfb7c5139548.html

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5123 times:
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Wow, very nice to know this, thanks for sharing.
Hope they can return with their 772's to LIS !



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Very good news ! Hopefully they will pass the EU inspection as well....

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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4841 times:

Good news for DT, did this block effect all Angolan carriers?


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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

WOW this is great.....now if only an airline in the DRC could....what am I saying?? that will never happen...


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
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Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 3):
Good news for DT, did this block effect all Angolan carriers?

No , it's just for TAAG.
I believe this inspection (and the upcoming European) is based on political move by Angola together with Portugal.



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

Perhaps DT could start LHR?

Thanks for the info LipeGIG.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10635 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Are both 743s still active?

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

If they are able to restart LIS and CDG, will they have enough aircraft to continue flying to DXB and PEK? I'm not sure about PEK, but when I check the availability for the DXB flight, it seems to be relatively full.

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4674 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 7):
Are both 743s still active?

Yes, they are flying to GRU, GIG, and JNB.

The 3 777's are flying to DXB, PEK, and JNB. They are supposed to fly to GIG but that doesn't seem to have happened yet...


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

I think that with the two 743s and three 777s, DT should have enough aircraft to also operate LIS and CDG. PEK and DXB is each only twice a week from what I recall.

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4590 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 9):
The 3 777's are flying to DXB, PEK, and JNB. They are supposed to fly to GIG but that doesn't seem to have happened yet...

www.taag.com.br
As far as i know, and per third party info, waiting for ETOPS ceritifcation.



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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4518 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 10):
I think that with the two 743s and three 777s, DT should have enough aircraft to also operate LIS and CDG. PEK and DXB is each only twice a week from what I recall.

I think you are right, however, PEK is 3X weekly so one 777 is devoted to that route. DXB is only 2X weekly as you said. So now that I think about it, I'm sure with the 2 remaining 777's, they should be able to manage flying daily to LIS and I think it was 1X weekyl to CDG. Not sure how often JNB would be seeing the 777 after they flying back to Europe though.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
As far as i know, and per third party info, waiting for ETOPS ceritifcation.

Thanks for the info, I was thinking it had to do with that. Do you know which ETOPS rule would be required for LAD-GIG? 138 or 180?


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4355 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 7):
Are both 743s still active?

Yes, operating in JNB, GIG and GRU.

TAAG started flights LAD-GRU dedicated nonstop this month and last Wednesday while connecting in GRU to the KLM GRU-AMS I could see TAAG B747 departing GRU-LAD. It was a nice scene and apparently the flight has strong cargo demand. TAAG is currently flying LAD-GIG 4 x week and LAD-GRU 3 x week.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 8):
If they are able to restart LIS and CDG, will they have enough aircraft to continue flying to DXB and PEK? I'm not sure about PEK, but when I check the availability for the DXB flight, it seems to be relatively full.

I think TAAG will restart LIS first. This is TAP's strongest route on a flight basis at the moment.

I also think that there is a chance TAAG will replace CDG with FRA because of a deal between the Angolan authorities with LH, which also led LH to start LAD flight this year. It could even entail TAAG getting closer to Star Alliance, which could also mean TAAG closer to TAM in Brazil and I know of conversations leading to a possible codeshare GRU/GIG-LAD between TAAG and TAM.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4036 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 12):
Thanks for the info, I was thinking it had to do with that. Do you know which ETOPS rule would be required for LAD-GIG? 138 or 180?

Both are feasible, but the 180 would allow a path almost the same of the 743. The ETOPS 138 would demand a longer flight.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
I think TAAG will restart LIS first. This is TAP's strongest route on a flight basis at the moment

LIS is easy because TAAG continues to serve with third party equipment. In my view, they have space to use more the 772:

Daily to LIS - 1 772
DXB and PEK - 1 772
GIG and JNB - 1 772



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5607 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Ok, can somebody explain to me what an IATA inspection has to do with anything relating to where the airline can fly?  confused 

It's not as if IATA know the first thing about airworthiness or aircraft operations as they are a commercial trade association and in 40 years I have never heard of them being involved in anything to do with airworthiness/operations. Or do you mean ICAO?


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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Is DT still looking for more B777's? They must be planning some sort of long haul expansion.


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3999 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 16):
Is DT still looking for more B777's? They must be planning some sort of long haul expansion.

Did DT ever get that 772 that had been sitting out in PAE for months or did Boeing have another airline take it?



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 15):
Ok, can somebody explain to me what an IATA inspection has to do with anything relating to where the airline can fly?

It's the fact that this inspection will drive TAAG to have another European inspection, which in the end remove TAAG from the banned list (to fly to Europe with their own metal)
Able to fly to Europe with their almost brand-new 772's, that's why we're discussing about where they will use them.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Very good news, but will TAAG put its act together and employ a professional management team to avoid corruption and mismanagement? I think this should be their first priority now.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
LIS is easy because TAAG continues to serve with third party equipment. In my view, they have space to use more the 772

I think LIS will become B747 because of strong cargo on this route. But for a pax perspective the B772 is certainly superior to the B747. I can tell you that if I was base in Sao Paulo I would fly to Rio to avoid the B747 and enjoy the new seats of the B772.

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 16):
Is DT still looking for more B777's? They must be planning some sort of long haul expansion.

I dont think this would be feasible now especially with oil prices half of what they were last year and the fact the Angola's economy is in technical recession in 2Q 2009.

Rgs,


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5607 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3906 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):

It's the fact that this inspection will drive TAAG to have another European inspection, which in the end remove TAAG from the banned list (to fly to Europe with their own metal)

OK, how? What is IATA inspecting?

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3887 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
They still have to pass an inspection from the EU, which is due to occur on 08Jun09

If you had read the original post, passing the IATA inspection was probably a prerequisit to get the EU to inspect which will apperently happen in a week on 8Jun09. If they pass that inspection, air carriers from Angola should be able to fly to the EU.

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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3825 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 15):
It's not as if IATA know the first thing about airworthiness or aircraft operations as they are a commercial trade association and in 40 years I have never heard of them being involved in anything to do with airworthiness/operations.

Actually monitoring of safety standards is something which IATA is involved with. Have a look at http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/safety_security/safety/index.htm, in particular the IATA Operational Safety Audit (IOSA) programme.

V/F



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User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
I think LIS will become B747 because of strong cargo on this route. But for a pax perspective the B772 is certainly superior to the B747. I can tell you that if I was base in Sao Paulo I would fly to Rio to avoid the B747 and enjoy the new seats of the B772.

I saw their 747 last month at JNB just after Easter weekend. Got towed to SA's hanger after passengers disembarked, don't know what happened to the flight back to LAD as I was going on a domestic flight to CPT at that time. I wish to travel to Angola one day, but I don't have any desire to get on that bird!


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3776 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 23):
I wish to travel to Angola one day, but I don't have any desire to get on that bird!

TAAG B747 is not bad and in terms of seat pitch it is certainly superior to many European carriers. Of course, its product is outdated, but TAAG B772 have the latest onboard product and newest model of business seats.

Quoting Cchan (Reply 23):
Got towed to SA's hanger after passengers disembarked

TAAG flights usually run late which means sometimes it has to be served remotely because other airlines use the gate allocated to TAAG.

Rgs,


25 Cchan : I would go on their 772, but their 747 didn't look good to me. That TAAG flight arrived on time, but the plane went into the hanger, indicating somet
26 LipeGIG : Hardi, cargo is a key factor, but TAAG knows LIS is more competitive than Brazil for example.They need the 772 to LIS to get the best yields. They ca
27 BAW217 : Hewa Bora Airways re-started flights to Brussels and Paris yesterday.... Operated by Rak Airways (UAE) on Hewa Bora Airway's behalf! So techincally a
28 Hardiwv : Lipe, there is no competition in flights to LAD (supply of seats are restricted driving fares higher), airlines can use any product to this effect. I
29 Viscount724 : IATA doesn't conduct the IOSA audits themselves. They coordinate the program and now make successful completion of the audit a condition of IATA memb
30 Gemuser : V/F & Viscount724, THANK YOU for the explanation. Gemuser
31 Trystero : The return of the 772 is good news. The departure of the 744 it's a dramatic event. There's been some talk about an increase of the number of flights
32 A388 : How much value does a IATA inspection have on an airline's (or country's) image? I remember the aviation authorities in Indonesia also passed a IATA i
33 LipeGIG : Hardi, JNB and LIS are the places where a foreign airline offers competition to TAAG. TP is increasing LAD from daily to 10x weekly
34 Viscount724 : The IATA inspection program covers the airline only. The EU ban on airlines from Indonesia also relates to issues like airport safety, security proce
35 Hardiwv : Both routes are operated in cooperation with competitor. There is almost null competition in LAD. The B747 is important for cargo and therefore is ex
36 LipeGIG : And this means no competition ?
37 Trystero : Thia as been said before and nothing happened. Maybe it was a way to pressure European authorities via TP. Not sure about this one. Although it's tha
38 A388 : Than how can it be explained that GA is not allowed to fly to Europe while KL for example is? Are indonesian airlines banned from flying to Europe be
39 LipeGIG : I agree with you. But i also believe Angola made the right noise after doing their home work (i.e. change management, change procedures, focus on mai
40 Viscount724 : KL is not an Indonesian airline. The EU ban only covers Indonesian airlines for whatever reasons the EU may have. The EU restrictions obviously go we
41 Hardiwv : Garuda cannot fly to Europe because the Indonesian government did not undertake the right measures and lobby. If Angola can make TAAG pass the test,
42 Viscount724 : Didn't GA drop their AMS and other European services long ago since they were uprofitable? There was no EU ban on Indonesian carriers in effect at th
43 LipeGIG : It's all about good corporate governance and respect to international rules. As you mentioned, any airline can do that, but there's no fast track.
44 Post contains links MHTripple7 : Well this is weird. A board member of TAAG is saying there are still problems with TAAG. Does this mean they are expecting to stay banned? http://www.
45 Hardiwv : I would not be surprised, after all this is TAAG. Well, Lipe, indeed, the Angolan government and TAAG must have made an effort to meet the minimum st
46 LipeGIG : When i use Corporate Governance is to show that the previous situation, that put TAAG on the Black List, is not the right one. Only with good practic
47 Hardiwv : Okay, understood and agreed. I am sorry but I could not find your information. In my mind Garuda stop flying to AMS because it was included in the EU
48 Post contains links VirginFlyer : No, Garuda ceased Amsterdam services in 2004, and Indonesian airlines were banned from the EU in 2007. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...dam-rou
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