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Jet America's Skd Out Of Kmlb  
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

As of right now 5/29/09 this will be Jet America's skd out of KMLB and the start up date is early to mod July.

From MLB-EWR Tuesday- Thursday- and Sunday Arrives from EWR @ 1120 and Departs @1220

From MLB-TOL Tuesday- Arrives from TOL @ 1755 and Departs at 1850
Saturday- Arrrives from TOL @ 1130 and Departs @ 1230

From MLB-LAN Saturday- Arrives @ 1830 and Depart

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5818 times:

Is it because of the type of cert they have they cannot offer daily service, or is it just not feasible with the markets they have chosen to exploit?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

I think its they don't have enough planes to do it due to flying other cities as well. But rumor over here has it if this does well they might want to make MLB a mini hub and build a hanger out here but just like LTU and other rumors out here we dont count on anything until it lands and parks at the gate.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5742 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 2):
I think its they don't have enough planes to do it due to flying other cities as well. But rumor over here has it if this does well they might want to make MLB a mini hub and build a hanger out here but just like LTU and other rumors out here we dont count on anything until it lands and parks at the gate.

Don't get too wrapped up into rumors. I do see them expanding MLB if it works out, but you aren't going to see them build a hangar or anything. They may do a focus operation, but its going probably to be more infrequent service to some of the potential new markets they mentioned...PIT, CVG, CMH, DAY, CRW, BWI, etc.


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5714 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Thread starter):
From MLB-LAN Saturday- Arrives @ 1830 and Depart

sorry the depart time for LAN is 1930


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5705 times:



Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 3):
but you aren't going to see them build a hangar or anything

Yeah like I was saying I wont count on it until I see it. They did however build a hanger for Bear Air over here for them.


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Looks like July 13 2009 is the kick off date.

User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Aren't they using a 737-800 operated by Miami Air? If so, what would they need to build a hangar for? Any plans to move to their own equipment?

-safetyDemo



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5459 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 2):
I think its they don't have enough planes to do it due to flying other cities as well.

JetAmerica does not have any aircraft at all. They are a charter company only wet leasing from Miami Air.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 3):
Don't get too wrapped up into rumors. I do see them expanding MLB if it works out, but you aren't going to see them build a hangar or anything. They may do a focus operation, but its going probably to be more infrequent service to some of the potential new markets they mentioned...PIT, CVG, CMH, DAY, CRW, BWI, etc.

They are going to have to find some money to do that. Miami has only 6 738s and they do a lot of other charters besides JetAmerica.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5423 times:



Quoting SafetyDemo (Reply 7):
Aren't they using a 737-800 operated by Miami Air? If so, what would they need to build a hangar for? Any plans to move to their own equipment?

They've hinted they may got Part 121 in about 18-24 months...so a long time until they need to worry about any of their own facilities.

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
They are going to have to find some money to do that. Miami has only 6 738s and they do a lot of other charters besides JetAmerica.

They are only adding 1 per quarter right now, so if the contract is profitable, I don't think Miami Air will be against adding add'l aircraft. Or they could go through another party. We'll have to see how it works out this fall.


User currently offlineOffshoreAir From United States of America, joined May 2009, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5219 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 5):
Yeah like I was saying I wont count on it until I see it. They did however build a hanger for Bear Air over here for them.

Yeah, but Bear Air only flies a few Beech Jets and some King Air's, nothing over 8 or 10 pax. His hangar can't house a few 73's  Wink



OffshoreAir
User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4055 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 8):
JetAmerica does not have any aircraft at all. They are a charter company only wet leasing from Miami Air

Yeah you are right there. I don't know why I did not say it like that but thats the same reason not enough jets.

Quoting OffshoreAir (Reply 10):
Yeah, but Bear Air only flies a few Beech Jets and some King Air's, nothing over 8 or 10 pax. His hangar can't house a few 73's

I was making a point if they wanted to build them a hanger for that you never know what this airport will do to get an airline to stay. But like USA3000 when all there free fees are up will they leave or stay?


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3981 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 11):
But like USA3000 when all there free fees are up will they leave or stay?

Wasn't that down to fuel costs mainly though since they pulled all domestic service bar RSW at the same time (PIE since returned)



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User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3554 times:



Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
Wasn't that down to fuel costs mainly though since they pulled all domestic service bar RSW at the same time (PIE since returned)

Yes and thats why they pulled out too because they had to start dishing out money for gates and runways fees. Or was it just that it all fell at the same time or what I dont know. But I just want to see how long they will stay here in MLB because it looks like all we can keep is DL and they are cutting another flight by June 4th.


User currently offlineF35 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

and they hav a nice looking terminal...atleast from inside of my 172

User currently offlineOffshoreAir From United States of America, joined May 2009, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3510 times:



Quoting F35 (Reply 14):
and they hav a nice looking terminal...atleast from inside of my 172

It's nothing that spectacular.



OffshoreAir
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

MLB-TOL/LAN is going to be awful. Even $9 won't fill that up. They better sell a lot to tour operators...and I don't think they are planning to. MLB-EWR isn't crazy. It might work if customers know they exist.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4581 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3427 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 11):
I was making a point if they wanted to build them a hanger for that you never know what this airport will do to get an airline to stay.

Not sure how the whole hangar idea came up, but until they start flying their own aircraft - it will never happen. More than likely we'll see something where they'll do regular checkups at the RON locations and if there is anything serious they'll contract that out to AAR or someone similar. When TMA had their mx base in TOL for the MD-80s, they never used a hangar at all.

Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 13):
Yes and thats why they pulled out too because they had to start dishing out money for gates and runways fees. Or was it just that it all fell at the same time or what I dont know. But I just want to see how long they will stay here in MLB because it looks like all we can keep is DL and they are cutting another flight by June 4th.

I don't think anyone can answer a "how longer" question until they are flying for a few months and we get a read on their traffic and yields. If the company is growing a specific station pretty well, and they need help from the airport, I wouldn't be shocked to see an arrangement for reduced landing/gate fees. At least if the PFCs are adding up nicely.


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3262 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 16):
MLB-TOL/LAN is going to be awful. Even $9 won't fill that up. They better sell a lot to tour operators...and I don't think they are planning to. MLB-EWR isn't crazy. It might work if customers know they exist.

Not really. The MLB stuff CAN work because it is marketed as Orlando/Central Florida. Its not much different than Sanford, just closer to the beach. There is plenty of demand from the LAN and TOL regions to Central Florida when fares are low. Not saying it will, because its about execution...and my faith is limited.

Its the TOL-EWR/MSP and LAN-EWR that won't work.


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3353 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 18):
Not really. The MLB stuff CAN work because it is marketed as Orlando/Central Florida. Its not much different than Sanford, just closer to the beach. There is plenty of demand from the LAN and TOL regions to Central Florida when fares are low. Not saying it will, because its about execution...and my faith is limited.

Yes that will bring us some more Disney traffic. Thats what they need to do with this airport is call it the Orlando/Melbourne airport. People see the Orlando and cheap fares they will jump on it.

I checked a round trip tickect for MLB-TOL it is $49 each way not bad.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7110 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 18):

Not really. The MLB stuff CAN work because it is marketed as Orlando/Central Florida. Its not much different than Sanford, just closer to the beach.

"Can", maybe...but won't. MLB barely works to ATL. CLT doesn't even have consistent service. I'd also hazard a guess that MLB's beach is the least visited by Disney-ites among DAB/TPA(PIE)/MLB.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 18):
Its the TOL-EWR/MSP and LAN-EWR that won't work.

...or ALSO won't work.

Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 19):
Thats what they need to do with this airport is call it the Orlando/Melbourne airport.

Boston-Manchester didn't get too much success out of that. With Sanford already there it is going to be hard for MLB. I'd wager DAB could have more success than MLB if the local tourism base really supported it. MLB doesn't have a beach "brand". It has a space "brand". It's not easy to change those kind of consumer impressions without a lot of advertising which they aren't going to do.

The real problem with JetAm and previously Skybus is that they don't really understand the Allegiant tour package model that drives the success of that company. Without the revenue from tour packages they have no cash cow to balance the $9 fares.

They can only sell a few $9 fares and then everything else has to be $110. Not many people will fly to MLB for $110 when they can go to MCO through ATL for $140.


User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3256 times:
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LAN?? TOL?? Yeah...........sorry, I applaud the effort to start new service, but these routes are terrible choices. Who is doing the market research on these city pairs??


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3186 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 18):
Its the TOL-EWR/MSP and LAN-EWR that won't work.

None of it will. You can't build a profitable airline around teaching your customer to wait for the cheapest possible fare. According to an article in the Toledo Blade, they need $71 in airfare and $20 in ancillary revenue to break even. Training them to wait for a $9 fare is a recipe for disaster. Even if they can't get the $9 and have to settle for $49, they still are not looking for value and convenience, just cheap. I don't know about the other airports, but TOL is subsidizing this future failure. Once the money runs out, they'll be gone....


User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3007 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 20):
Not many people will fly to MLB for $110 when they can go to MCO through ATL for $140.

Maybe so and I think alot of people rather have non stop then go threw ATL. But you never know because I would love to go threw ATL just because it's a real airport and theres alot of planes to look at and watch. But the avg. person might want to by pass ATL at all costs.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 22):
Once the money runs out, they'll be gone

I dont doubt it, but it is nice to get another airline here to work on to keep us ramp rats busy. Try doing a 10hr shift with only 4 planes. But by June 4th it will be only 3 planes for us on the night shift and back down to 8hr days which sucks because having the 3 days off was like a mini vac.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 6):
Looks like July 13 2009 is the kick off date.

www.mlbair.com Announced JetAmerica's start date as July 14.

JoseKMLB: I know how it is to live near an airport with such little air service. Us folks here at DAB would love to see more airlines all we have is DL and US. I wish that DAB would market themselves as a secondary Orlando Airport, since SFB has no legacies or other LCC's such as B6, FL, or WN. The only thing that really makes SFB big is them being a base for G4. I think that JetAmerica had the right idea of marketing MLB as an Orlando Area airport. However, with connecting two small to midsized markets, they are pretty much setting themselves up to fail. The EWR service is the only one I can see sticking through the airline's life span (however long that is). LAN is not going to stay. TOL has a very small chance, and I am basing that on the success of CO's seasonal DAB-CLE service that existed until CO left DAB back in September of 2008. People from Ohio do travel to Central Florida, but if this airline lasts, I can't see this service being anything more than seasonal.



In Loving Memory of Casey Edward Falconer; May 16, 1992-May 9, 2012
25 JoseKMLB : You are right about the 14th. I hear people say the 13th but its really the 14th now. And I dont really see TOL or LAN working that good. When CO was
26 Ouboy79 : EWR routes, especially from TOL, may be too much capacity...but we'll see how it works after a couple months. I would like to see them add more 2x we
27 Sunking737 : Travel time between MLB and Walt Disney World is 1 hour 30 min., and it around 66 miles. Travel time between SFB and Walt Disney World is 0 Hour 55 mi
28 OffshoreAir : This sounds like they are assuming there is light traffic. I-95 between MLB and 528 can back up often and there has been a lot of construction lately
29 Luisca : When I lived in MLB I remember they were expanding 192 all the way to kissimmee did they finish with this?
30 Jetlanta : Yes the did.
31 Sunking737 : US 192 is still a nightmare. I would use a toll road to go to the Atlantic Coast. Too many stop lights until you get past St. Cloud.
32 TWAL1011727 : This was NOT an LTU flight or was their fault It was a chartered flight that LTU was to fly. The charter company could not come up with the down paym
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