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Can You Identify This California Airport?  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6500 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Doing the PSA thread, I came across this picture. The photographer has not identified the location except tha it is in California. Any guesses?



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Photo © Jose Carreno




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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

My first guess is Fresno, but it could be almost any airport in the central valley.

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User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1474 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Looks like the central valley to me...... Flat and some hint of seasonal foliage missing from the trees.

Doesn't look like KFAT. Maybe KSMF, KSCK or KBFL?


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Kind of looks like the area around SMF. SMF opened in 1962, and the photo is dated 1970, so it's possible.

My other guess would be SNA.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8188 times:

Fresno and Stockton did not see service from PSA until 1972 or 1973 so it cannot be those two.

I'm thinking Sacramento unless it was a charter at a different airport.

I'm trying to place those buildings under the wing, then on the right side of the photo there is what appears to be a raised eathern berm like a levee.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8046 times:



Quoting Mcdu (Reply 2):
or KBFL

Not if it's a scheduled flight.

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 2):
SMF opened in 1962

1967 or 1968.

Quoting B595 (Reply 3):
My other guess would be SNA.

No PSA scheduled there until... the 1980s?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8033 times:
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Quoting Timz (Reply 5):
No PSA scheduled there until... the 1980s?

I'm pretty sure I flew PSA into SNA in the late 1970s.

Also, at the end of the runway was interstate and commercial mid-rises back then, as well.

[Edited 2009-05-30 17:46:00]

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8027 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
I flew PSA into SNA in the late 1970s.

On a charter 72S?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7978 times:
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Quoting Timz (Reply 7):
On a charter 72S?

It was a 727, but it was scheduled service. Maybe it was SJC. I was under 10 at the time so the memory is a bit fuzzy.  Wink


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7963 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 5):
Quoting B595 (Reply 2):
SMF opened in 1962

1967 or 1968.

Ya, I should've checked the SMF official website instead of AirNav (AirNav says the "activation date" was 1962): http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSMF

Quoting Timz (Reply 5):
No PSA scheduled there until... the 1980s?

All right, scratch SNA.


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

In 1970 PSA had scheduled flights to SFO-OAK-SJC, LAX-BUR-ONT, SAN and SMF-- so I'm guessing this isn't a scheduled flight.

User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

That picture was taken in the early 70's. I lived in Modesto and flew in and out of SCK on a regular basis in 1974 - 1976. By that time, PSA had adopted the "Grinning bird paint livery," which they kept until being acquired by USAir. That 737 is in the delivery colors. In 1974, PSA flew to SAN, ONT, LAX, BUR, LGB, FAT, SCK, SJC, OAK, SFO, SMF. My guess would be FAT, or SCK.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

My money's not on SCK - from the ramp areas on the west side of the field, any houses or trees would be much further in the distance. Then again, there's not much to go on so could be literally anywhere. How about a charter to MCE??


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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

How do you take a picture and not know where you are?

User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

I tend to think it isn't FAT, because the only direction I could imagine this being taken is northeast (with Clovis Ave. beyond the embankment). The sunlight would then time the photo in the evening, when it is unlikely to see clouds and puddles (July is hot and horribly dry). Plus, the foothills would probably have been visible in any shot taken towards the north.

Of course, I'm hardly an early 70's expert, I lived in the Fresno area from 2005-2008.  

[Edited 2009-05-30 20:23:39]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7511 times:
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Quoting 413X3 (Reply 13):
How do you take a picture and not know where you are?

It could have been an old picture or from an old slide and they forgot the specifics when they got around to scanning and uploading it here decades later.


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Here's a picture from SMF in 1984:


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In the bottom right corner, there is a low, concrete curb filled with vegetation. The side of the curb has a slight angle to it.

If you look back at the picture in the threadstarter, at the bottom left you also see a low, concrete curb filled with vegetation, with a slightly angled side.


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Also, in both pictures the ramp changes from concrete to asphalt in the vicinity of this curb.

Hard to ignore these similarities, so my money is still on SMF.

[Edited 2009-05-30 22:15:31]

User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

My guess would be SMF, followed by SCK. I don't think it's FAT because the vegetation around that airport is kind of dry. It's not SNA because PSA never flew there before Deregulation, and PSA never served BFL.


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User currently offlinePacificWest From United States of America, joined May 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

I'll go with RDD - Redding...

User currently offlineBuzz100ca From United States of America, joined May 2007, 89 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

I know PSA never flew here, but could it be MOD???

User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4248 times:

Doing a little research I found out that PSA flew their 200 series FLUFF jets into Stockton (SCK) way back when so I'll go with that. Clearly it looks like the farmland of California's central valley.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 11):
My guess would be FAT, or SCK.



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 11):
In 1974, PSA flew to SAN, ONT, LAX, BUR, LGB, FAT, SCK, SJC, OAK, SFO, SMF. My guess would be FAT, or SCK.

The photo is dated July 1970, too early for FAT or SCK assuming the date is correct. Service at those 2 started in 1972 or 1973.

Quoting Cytz_pilot (Reply 14):
I tend to think it isn't FAT, because the only direction I could imagine this being taken is northeast (with Clovis Ave. beyond the embankment).

PSA old concourse when they did serve Fresno, the area now replaced with the 2-story concourse.

Quoting B595 (Reply 16):
Here's a picture from SMF in 1984:

In the bottom right corner, there is a low, concrete curb filled with vegetation. The side of the curb has a slight angle to it.

If you look back at the picture in the threadstarter, at the bottom left you also see a low, concrete curb filled with vegetation, with a slightly angled side.

I keep coming back to that curb also, I'm trying to place which airports had landscaping like that near the ramp areas during the early 70s. SMF is still in my mind too.

The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of jetways in original photo. I remember SMF had some gates with ground boarding in the early 70s, I just don't remember what PSA used.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6873 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

If it's SMF, we're looking W or NW, right? Are/were there any houses just west of the field?

User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting B595 (Reply 16):

CSI man lol.


User currently onlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

I am placing my bets on SJC. There was nothing around SMF but flat farm fields back in those days. The area behind the aircraft looks too developed and the vegetation too over grown to be SMF. SJC is my guess and I'm sticking to it...


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25 Aaron747 : Impossible, even in the 60s SJC had GA facilities on the opposite side of Terminal C and there's nothing on the other side of that field. Also the Sa
26 Timz : Main problem with the SJC theory: could it possibly be smoggy enough to blot out the ridge to the SW? But SMF doesn't look that great either, tho we m
27 Brick : Easy, the uploader didn't take the photo. Maybe they got it in a trade, picked it up at auction, or inherited it from someone.
28 Arffguy : Could even be KSAC, Sacramento Executive. Airlines would divert here until airport management lowered the weight limit to keep them out. That's what t
29 Timz : 720Bs, to be precise. Also PSA 727s.
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