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Whats The Future Of Virgin's 747 400s  
User currently offlineGVROY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

How long will the 747 400's stay with Virgin Atlantic?

[Edited 2009-05-31 17:34:48]

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30619 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9125 times:
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Assuming they actually start taking delivery of their A380-800s in 2013, I would image they would start to leave then.

If they continue to defer, then perhaps in 2015 or 2016 when the A350-1000XWB becomes available.

[Edited 2009-05-31 17:54:51]

User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

I think i remember that they were on a lease (either the 744s or A340s or both). So They could just be re leasing the planes until their replacements arrive

User currently offlineTrystero From Portugal, joined Oct 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8936 times:



Quoting GVROY (Thread starter):
How long will the 747 400's stay with Virgin Atlantic?

At least until the day I can fly in one of them...



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User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8892 times:

How many 744's do Virgin have and what routes do they typically fly?

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1927 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

To add to the list of questions, why do the 744s no longer come to LAX?


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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8510 times:
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Bjwonline

Basically two sub fleets

One fleet based Heathrow consists of five aircraft
Operate to Delhi (Some) Johannesburg (Winter) Los Angeles, JFK, Miami, San Francisco

One fleet shared between Gatwick and Manchester (Where upto two aircraft out stationed) consisting of eight aircraft

Gatwick fleet operate to
Antigua,Barbados, Havana, Kingston,Las Vegas,Montego Bay,Orlando,Saint Lucia,San Juan,Tobago

Manchester fleet operate to Orlando -upto ten weekly

There are also High season (Northern summer) Glasgow- Orlando flights two days a week using a Gatwick/Manchester configured aircraft.


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8387 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 6):
Manchester fleet operate to Orlando -upto ten weekly

Doesn't Virgin also fly to Barbados from Manchester on a Sunday?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8305 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 7):
Doesn't Virgin also fly to Barbados from Manchester on a Sunday?

Barbados is now 2 x weekly using a LHR configured A340-300.

Who'd have thought, a first class equipped plane flying scheduled routes from Manchester?  Wink



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8247 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
Who'd have thought, a first class equipped plane flying scheduled routes from Manchester? Wink

Its barely first class... Upper Class product Virgin Atlantic offers in just a very good business class product. US, AA, CO, DL, EK, QR and SQ all offer a business product from MAN and so do many of the short haul legacy carriers do too.

I thought Virgin only had three of four A380's on order (I am happy to be corrected), this will barely replace the 744 fleet!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24913 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8239 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Its barely first class...

Well, it's not the usual 2 class service that is offered from MAN then  Wink



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8017 times:
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Gilesdaves

They have orders for 6 Whalejets.
Thats sufficient to replace the Heathrow sub fleet routes as above plus Tokyo


User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

The existing A380 order was not to replace the current leisure 744 fleet. The project to look at replacing the leisure fleet was put on hold last year as part of cost cutting. They were looking at a number of options - including more 380s, 777s, more 787s, A350 etc.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30619 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
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I would think you'd want the biggest plane you could put on a route for the leisure fleet since you'll be mostly packing it full of Economy seats.

Though the 10m smaller span of the 747-8 might make it a bit easier to integrate into existing infrastructures at airports like MAN and MCO, though the A380 doesn't stick out as far from the gate, being shorter.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

Most if not all of the LGW / MAN fleet is really quite new (2001ish?)

So can't see why they'd really want to get rid of them yet...


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7548 times:



Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 6):
Manchester fleet operate to Orlando -upto ten weekly

There are also High season (Northern summer) Glasgow- Orlando flights two days a week using a Gatwick/Manchester configured aircraft.

MAN -MCO - 10 a week
LGW-MCO -15 a week (3 on Fridays)
GLA - MCO - alternates with MAN I believe


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7379 times:



Quoting APYu (Reply 12):
The existing A380 order was not to replace the current leisure 744 fleet. The project to look at replacing the leisure fleet was put on hold last year as part of cost cutting. They were looking at a number of options - including more 380s, 777s, more 787s, A350 etc.

Seems like the 77W would be the most appropriate choice for the LGW-based leisure 744 fleet. If operated in the dreaded 3-4-3 Y configuration, you can pack quite a lot of seats in the 773 to almost match the capacity of the 744... coupled with lower fuel burn and operating costs, VS would make a lot more money on the route.

The A346 is great in VS's fleet, but with fuel prices on the climb again, this aircraft is at an economic disadvantage compared to the 77W.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7303 times:
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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 15):
GLA - MCO - alternates with MAN I believe

the GLA ops appear to be tied in with Scottish school holidays.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Though the 10m smaller span of the 747-8 might make it a bit easier to integrate into existing infrastructures at airports like MAN and MCO

Not sure if VS remote park their aircraft at MAN which I presume means potentially less prospect for unused terminal gates? Plus I'm pretty sure there's only going to be a single A380 stand for T2 and I can't see them converting up to 10 wkly 744s into a daily A380 or buying the B748 and operate the same programme ; much more likely will be 2 daily 787s.as I think the intention is to increase flying out of LHR, LGW and MAN with the 787.


User currently offlineGvroy From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

I say long live the 747 400 for Virgin Atlantic, they are great cruising machines i feel safer on a 747, its big spacious confy and the youngest fleet of 747's are Virgin's I've been on G-VFAB in 2007 to JFK for my 28th was a great experience as it was my 1st virgin 747 400 and since then av gone on to fly 6 more Virgin 747 400 doing Gatwick- Las Vegas

G-VROM x 2
G-VROY x 2
G-VXLG x 1
G- VROS x 1

No disrespect to all those 777 fans  Smile id much rather fly to las vegas on a 747 400 then a twin engined jet, Virgin should push for the 748 think it will be a good decision. Though looking fowards to the A380 too but that project is a long way off as mentioned above. Like Jeremy Clarkson says why replace it if it works LOL.. happy flying guys x


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